They're calling themselves Wikinews journalists, which is what they are. It's no different from anyone who has edited Wikipedia calling themselves a Wikipedian or a Wikipedia editor, which many people do.
Surely it would be only be a violation of the trademarks if it were being done by people who were not writing at Wikinews?
The community are the ones who approve people - who else would do it? It certainly wouldn't be feasible for the Board to credential people, with whom they are not familiar, and especially who are editing in languages other than English or French. It's up to the organisations choosing whether or not to accept these "press credentials" to find out what they mean - and they will see that, like Wikipedia, this is something that comes from within the community, not something handed down from some higher authority.
I see this as a means of formally recognising trust within the community, not so different from administrator access. Should the Board also be approving who is allowed to give themselves the official title of "Wikipedia Administrator" or "Wikimedia Steward"? Obviously not, so why would Wikinewsies need any approval beyond that from their own community?
I think the Wikinews mailing list would be a more appropriate place to continue this so as to get input from the people who have created the accreditation systems.
Angela
On 11/6/05, Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com wrote:
Who gave the Wikinews community persmission to give out press credentials to its users? This is a major abuse of the Wikinews trademark and could put the foundation in legal jeopardy or at least subject it to bad press if one of the credentialed users abuse the Wikinews name to gain access they should not be granted.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Credential_verification
Nobody on that list has the right to use the Wikinews or Wikimedia trademarks in a way that would suggest any official status to the passes. Thus those names and logos can not be used on the passes without either Foundation or a local chapter approval and oversight.
Either the foundation should officially get involved with handing out credentials, or the nonsense going on at Wikinews should stop.
It is likely mav is not aware of what press credentials are.
Press credentials indicate a person is actually writing for a news source to a news event handler. They do not say a person is employed by, or specifically represents, the news source. The primary purpose is to allow news event handlers to control both who attends news events and what messages the attendees recieve.
For example, I recently requested to attend a lunch speaking by a member of the Fed here in Vancouver. Because I do not have press credentials with Wikinews, I was not allowed to attend. I did go down to the hotel and hang out a bit, learned some stuff which might have been great in an oped, but nothing which could be published on Wikinews.
Another en.Wikinews contributor who does have press credentials was able to request entry to the press sections at this fall's Apple events. He was able to attend a number of small press conferences at the event, as well as the major floor events, and turned in two articles about it.
News events managers do not let everyone with credentials in. They accept candidates from news sources they feel will give them the coverage they want. They also usually want to be able to verify press credentials. The latter is why en.Wikinews built a policy which is actually more stringent in some respects than our adminship policies. The policy includes methods of credential verification including voicemail contacts.
En.Wikinews has approved a total of 8 reporters for credentials. One reporter has left the project, and three are currently inactive. Another is not primarily a Wikinewsy, Sj. Currently we have one candidate for accreditation, Fuzheado (Andrew Lih).
I encourage Mav to take a look en's policy (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Accreditation_policy), verification (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Credential_verification), and requests (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Accreditation_requests).
Amgine
Could possibly a list of these accredited people be held somewhere where we can easily check them up ?
Maybe on a page related to the press page on meta ?
Similarly, that would be odd if we receive a phone call asking us about someone being accredited ... and us being unable to say anything...
Ant
--- Amgine amgine@saewyc.net wrote:
It is likely mav is not aware of what press credentials are.
Press credentials indicate a person is actually writing for a news source to a news event handler. They do not say a person is employed by, or specifically represents, the news source. The primary purpose is to allow news event handlers to control both who attends news events and what messages the attendees recieve.
For example, I recently requested to attend a lunch speaking by a member of the Fed here in Vancouver. Because I do not have press credentials with Wikinews, I was not allowed to attend. I did go down to the hotel and hang out a bit, learned some stuff which might have been great in an oped, but nothing which could be published on Wikinews.
Another en.Wikinews contributor who does have press credentials was able to request entry to the press sections at this fall's Apple events. He was able to attend a number of small press conferences at the event, as well as the major floor events, and turned in two articles about it.
News events managers do not let everyone with credentials in. They accept candidates from news sources they feel will give them the coverage they want. They also usually want to be able to verify press credentials. The latter is why en.Wikinews built a policy which is actually more stringent in some respects than our adminship policies. The policy includes methods of credential verification including voicemail contacts.
En.Wikinews has approved a total of 8 reporters for credentials. One reporter has left the project, and three are currently inactive. Another is not primarily a Wikinewsy, Sj. Currently we have one candidate for accreditation, Fuzheado (Andrew Lih).
I encourage Mav to take a look en's policy
(http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Accreditation_policy),
verification
(http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Credential_verification),
and requests
(http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Accreditation_requests).
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The full list is available at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Credential_verification
Craig
Could possibly a list of these accredited people be held somewhere where we can easily check them up ?
Maybe on a page related to the press page on meta ?
Similarly, that would be odd if we receive a phone call asking us about someone being accredited ... and us being unable to say anything...
Ant
--- Amgine amgine@saewyc.net wrote:
It is likely mav is not aware of what press credentials are.
Press credentials indicate a person is actually writing for a news source to a news event handler. They do not say a person is employed by, or specifically represents, the news source. The primary purpose is to allow news event handlers to control both who attends news events and what messages the attendees recieve.
For example, I recently requested to attend a lunch speaking by a member of the Fed here in Vancouver. Because I do not have press credentials with Wikinews, I was not allowed to attend. I did go down to the hotel and hang out a bit, learned some stuff which might have been great in an oped, but nothing which could be published on Wikinews.
Another en.Wikinews contributor who does have press credentials was able to request entry to the press sections at this fall's Apple events. He was able to attend a number of small press conferences at the event, as well as the major floor events, and turned in two articles about it.
News events managers do not let everyone with credentials in. They accept candidates from news sources they feel will give them the coverage they want. They also usually want to be able to verify press credentials. The latter is why en.Wikinews built a policy which is actually more stringent in some respects than our adminship policies. The policy includes methods of credential verification including voicemail contacts.
En.Wikinews has approved a total of 8 reporters for credentials. One reporter has left the project, and three are currently inactive. Another is not primarily a Wikinewsy, Sj. Currently we have one candidate for accreditation, Fuzheado (Andrew Lih).
I encourage Mav to take a look en's policy
(http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Accreditation_policy),
verification
(http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Credential_verification),
and requests
(http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Accreditation_requests).
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