Andrew,
I've my fingers crossed you don't mind me changing over to the gmail email address so I can move this over to the wikinews-l mailing list and get a few more people to give you their thoughts and engage in a conversation.
To subscribe to the list see here, http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l. If you do and say hi, we can close this ticket out of OTRS where I'm bending the rules a bit and
trying to juggle getting suggestions and ideas shared where there's a potential conflict with the privacy policy.
Anyway, Technorati is one of the places where we try to get our coverage displayed, as well as on Slashdot - more geeky sites than the average blog, but we can always do with technical people to help us keep the site looking good. In exchange those of us who are less technically inclined can fix the grammar they weren't shot for at school or college. ;-)
We also have a new little piece of software that automatically updates parts of Wikipedia with lists of latest news on a topic from Wikinews. We have our fingers crossed this will encourage Wikipedia people to make the jump to working on Wikinews and increase rankings and visibility. If you look on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Television you might can find the links to Wikinews.
Incidentally I've also forwarded this on to someone in the office so they can see the full exchange. You missed the comments when I forwarded my last mail onto the mailing list, there were several people complimented me on a well-put
together invitation - and it worked. So, I'm hoping it can be worked into a few of the boilerplate responses.
If you sign up for the list, remember no question which you need an answer to is too stupid. I don't know if you've dipped your toe in the waters editing over on Wikipedia, but if you haven't it can be a little odd getting used to editing with the MediaWiki software. I don't think we have our Welcome messages for the site well enough set up, but try this for size...
This page, http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup allows you to sign up for an account.
This page, http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brianmc&action=edit§ion=new
will allow you to add a message to my talk page. I can then give you an on-wiki welcome which you would be *very* welcome to critique.
Yours sincerely, Brian McNeil
Talking about social networking, Whats peoples thoughts on the ShareThis extention. (Its some where on the mediawiki website, you can see an example of it in action on the wikileaks site). Doing stuff like that has been rejected before to fears that it might look tacky and make us look like a blog, not a "real" news site. But "real" news sites now seem to be doing that, so I think we should follow suit.
As for technocrati, I don't think they index us anymore. I think Amgine might have been working on something to make them love us again, I'm not really sure.
-bawolff
On Jan 8, 2008 2:35 AM, Wikinews Information Team wikinews@wikimedia.org wrote:
Andrew,
I've my fingers crossed you don't mind me changing over to the gmail email address so I can move this over to the wikinews-l mailing list and get a few more people to give you their thoughts and engage in a conversation.
To subscribe to the list see here, http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l. If you do and say hi, we can close this ticket out of OTRS where I'm bending the rules a bit and
trying to juggle getting suggestions and ideas shared where there's a potential conflict with the privacy policy.
Anyway, Technorati is one of the places where we try to get our coverage displayed, as well as on Slashdot - more geeky sites than the average blog, but we can always do with technical people to help us keep the site looking good. In exchange those of us who are less technically inclined can fix the grammar they weren't shot for at school or college. ;-)
We also have a new little piece of software that automatically updates parts of Wikipedia with lists of latest news on a topic from Wikinews. We have our fingers crossed this will encourage Wikipedia people to make the jump to working on Wikinews and increase rankings and visibility. If you look on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Television you might can find the links to Wikinews.
Incidentally I've also forwarded this on to someone in the office so they can see the full exchange. You missed the comments when I forwarded my last mail onto the mailing list, there were several people complimented me on a well-put
together invitation - and it worked. So, I'm hoping it can be worked into a few of the boilerplate responses.
If you sign up for the list, remember no question which you need an answer to is too stupid. I don't know if you've dipped your toe in the waters editing over on Wikipedia, but if you haven't it can be a little odd getting used to editing with the MediaWiki software. I don't think we have our Welcome messages for the site well enough set up, but try this for size...
This page, http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup allows you to sign up for an account.
This page, http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brianmc&action=edit§ion=new
will allow you to add a message to my talk page. I can then give you an on-wiki welcome which you would be *very* welcome to critique.
Yours sincerely, Brian McNeil
-- Wikinews - http://en.wikinews.org
Disclaimer: all mail to this address is answered by volunteers, and responses are not to be considered an official statement of the Wikimedia Foundation. For official correspondence, you may contact the site operators at http://www.wikimediafoundation.org. ---- Forwarded message from "Christ, Andrew (AV)" VChrist@dow.com ---
From: "Christ, Andrew (AV)" To: "Wikinews Information Team" wikinews@wikimedia.org Subject: RE: [Ticket#2007122810012695] E-mail this article Date: 2008-01-07 16:43:48
Thank you for the invitation. I'm sure it's a great and delightful opportunity.
Have you considered www.addthis.com? It's a social bookmarking tool. I'm sure a similar button for e-mail is more sophisticated, but I'm also sure Social bookmarking sites are increasingly popular and influential.
Anyway, I'd love to get my feet wet helping out with Wikinews. I'm not much Of a newshound so I'll be happy to to do cosmetic stuff with grammar, punctuation, etc.
If you're looking for more volunteers to contribute articles, where are you looking? I would think there are a great many blog writers who would be glad to help out.
Also, and I hope I'm not saying too much here, but it seems to me Wikinews Has a great opportunity here to promote issues over events. The power of Media is in framing the events. That's why I like Wikinews by the way - it's Effort to be neutral is a worthwhile one.
All best, Andrew Christ
P.S. You can also reach me at an alias mailbox I created wllmstafford AT gmail.com
-----Original Message----- From: Wikinews Information Team [mailto:wikinews@wikimedia.org] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 5:48 AM To: Christ, Andrew (AV)
Cc: wikinews-l@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Ticket#2007122810012695] E-mail this article
[[LIST MODERATOR:PLEASE EDIT OUT ANDREW'S EMAIL ADDRESS]]
Dear Andrew,
Thank you for your mail.
Your email was passed around and there's some Wikinewsies working on how can we have the email an article feature - although it is likely to be an ugly javascript hack that activates the feature in your browser. Email this page is
- as far as I know - a feature in every browser, but one of the last
things you'd think of. People are now used to websites making this easy. We should too, so you were right to email us.
I've copied this response on to the wikinews mailing list where the aforementioned people who might can do this are. Fingers crossed we can get something to make life simple.
In any case, it's great to see someone taking the Wikinews coverage as something they'd like to mail on. We strive to be neutral in our coverage and do well balanced reports. We don't have enough people on the project to cover every issue and sometimes our front page can look odd because of people covering what interests them. I'd like to take this opportunity to invite you to get involved. It can be as much or as little as you want. Correct grammatical errors, change passive voice to active, or be really bold and start your own articles. Wikinews tries to be a welcoming international community and we have editors all over the world. For obvious reasons the English project is among the most active, but French, German, and Chinese projects also manage a respectable article count. What makes me smile is when we have coverage in multiple languages; we certainly aren't as organised as Wikipedia is with that, but we try.
Again, thank you for contacting us, we really should publicise this email address more.
"Christ, Andrew (AV)" xxx@xxx wrote:
Brian,
I wanted to send the article about the burial of the woman leader in Pakistan who was assassinated.
After I sent that e-mail, I can understand why Wikinews wouldn't want
an
'e-mail article' button. It's one of the ways I keep in touch with a friend. Some people will want to know whether Wikinews uses the info about which articles get sent in their decisions as to which articles
to
write. Wikinews wouldn't be able to prove that the info isn't used in making such decisions. I had forgotten about my browser's 'e-mail
page'
feature.
Andy
-----Original Message----- From: Wikinews Information Team [mailto:wikinews@wikimedia.org] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:25 AM To: Christ, Andrew (AV) Subject: Re: [Ticket#2007122810012695] E-mail this article
Dear Christ Andrew,
Thank you for your mail.
"Christ, Andrew (AV)" xxx@xxx wrote:
Please consider adding a button to your news articles. By clicking
the
button, a reader may type in an e-mail address of a friend and send
the
news article to them. Thank you.
Andrew, looks like you'll get your wish. One of our Serbian
contributors
who is more technical than me is working on some code so we can have a
this page" link in the left-hand sidebar.
Out of curiosity, can you say which specific article you figured you
had
to mail on? Just want to know some more about what makes our readers want to do more than just read.
Yours sincerely, Brian McNeil
-- Wikinews - http://en.wikinews.org
Disclaimer: all mail to this address is answered by volunteers, and responses are not to be considered an official statement of the Wikimedia Foundation. For official correspondence, you may contact the site operators at http://www.wikimediafoundation.org.
Yours sincerely, Brian McNeil
-- Wikinews - http://en.wikinews.org
Disclaimer: all mail to this address is answered by volunteers, and responses are not to be considered an official statement of the Wikimedia Foundation. For official correspondence, you may contact the site operators at http://www.wikimediafoundation.org.
---- End forwarded message ---
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The conditions that apply to implementation of one of these sets of links for social bookmarking and rating are pretty straightforward.
1. All graphics have to be local under logo usage. 2. We cannot load any code from a 3rd party site. 3. Any code we implement for a bookmarking feature cannot communicate with a 3rd party site; until the user clicks a link.
This is all based on privacy policy and ties in with why Analytics can't be run on the site.
Beyond meeting the above three requirements we just need a template, possibly two. One as a box like BBC News Online currently uses at the foot of their articles; another collapsed version of same with a "Social bookmarks and sharing" label to expand it.
Don't need to vote on it, just make it optional to add it with something like {{sharethis}} and {{sharethis hidden}}.
Brian McNeil
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of bawolff Sent: 09 January 2008 04:45 To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] [Ticket#2007122810012695] E-mail this article
Talking about social networking, Whats peoples thoughts on the ShareThis extention. (Its some where on the mediawiki website, you can see an example of it in action on the wikileaks site). Doing stuff like that has been rejected before to fears that it might look tacky and make us look like a blog, not a "real" news site. But "real" news sites now seem to be doing that, so I think we should follow suit.
As for technocrati, I don't think they index us anymore. I think Amgine might have been working on something to make them love us again, I'm not really sure.
-bawolff
On Jan 8, 2008 2:35 AM, Wikinews Information Team wikinews@wikimedia.org wrote:
Andrew,
I've my fingers crossed you don't mind me changing over to the gmail email address so I can move this over to the wikinews-l mailing list and get a
few
more people to give you their thoughts and engage in a conversation.
To subscribe to the list see here, http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l. If you do and
say
hi, we can close this ticket out of OTRS where I'm bending the rules a bit
and
trying to juggle getting suggestions and ideas shared where there's a potential conflict with the privacy policy.
Anyway, Technorati is one of the places where we try to get our coverage displayed, as well as on Slashdot - more geeky sites than the average
blog,
but we can always do with technical people to help us keep the site
looking
good. In exchange those of us who are less technically inclined can fix
the
grammar they weren't shot for at school or college. ;-)
We also have a new little piece of software that automatically updates
parts
of Wikipedia with lists of latest news on a topic from Wikinews. We have
our
fingers crossed this will encourage Wikipedia people to make the jump to working on Wikinews and increase rankings and visibility. If you look on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Television you might can find the
links
to Wikinews.
Incidentally I've also forwarded this on to someone in the office so they
can
see the full exchange. You missed the comments when I forwarded my last
onto the mailing list, there were several people complimented me on a
well-put
together invitation - and it worked. So, I'm hoping it can be worked into
a
few of the boilerplate responses.
If you sign up for the list, remember no question which you need an answer
to
is too stupid. I don't know if you've dipped your toe in the waters
editing
over on Wikipedia, but if you haven't it can be a little odd getting used
to
editing with the MediaWiki software. I don't think we have our Welcome messages for the site well enough set up, but try this for size...
This page, http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup allows you to sign up for an account.
This page,
http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brianmc&action=edit§ ion=new
will allow you to add a message to my talk page. I can then give you an on-wiki welcome which you would be *very* welcome to critique.
Yours sincerely, Brian McNeil
-- Wikinews - http://en.wikinews.org
Disclaimer: all mail to this address is answered by volunteers, and
responses
are not to be considered an official statement of the Wikimedia
Foundation.
For official correspondence, you may contact the site operators at http://www.wikimediafoundation.org. ---- Forwarded message from "Christ, Andrew (AV)" VChrist@dow.com ---
From: "Christ, Andrew (AV)" To: "Wikinews Information Team" wikinews@wikimedia.org Subject: RE: [Ticket#2007122810012695] E-mail this article Date: 2008-01-07 16:43:48
Thank you for the invitation. I'm sure it's a great and delightful opportunity.
Have you considered www.addthis.com? It's a social bookmarking tool. I'm sure a similar button for e-mail is more sophisticated, but I'm also sure Social bookmarking sites are increasingly popular and influential.
Anyway, I'd love to get my feet wet helping out with Wikinews. I'm not much Of a newshound so I'll be happy to to do cosmetic stuff with grammar, punctuation, etc.
If you're looking for more volunteers to contribute articles, where are you looking? I would think there are a great many blog writers who would be glad to help out.
Also, and I hope I'm not saying too much here, but it seems to me Wikinews Has a great opportunity here to promote issues over events. The power of Media is in framing the events. That's why I like Wikinews by the way - it's Effort to be neutral is a worthwhile one.
All best, Andrew Christ
P.S. You can also reach me at an alias mailbox I created wllmstafford AT gmail.com
-----Original Message----- From: Wikinews Information Team [mailto:wikinews@wikimedia.org] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 5:48 AM To: Christ, Andrew (AV)
Cc: wikinews-l@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Ticket#2007122810012695] E-mail this article
[[LIST MODERATOR:PLEASE EDIT OUT ANDREW'S EMAIL ADDRESS]]
Dear Andrew,
Thank you for your mail.
Your email was passed around and there's some Wikinewsies working on how can we have the email an article feature - although it is likely to be an ugly javascript hack that activates the feature in your browser. Email this page is
- as far as I know - a feature in every browser, but one of the last
things you'd think of. People are now used to websites making this easy. We should too, so you were right to email us.
I've copied this response on to the wikinews mailing list where the aforementioned people who might can do this are. Fingers crossed we can get something to make life simple.
In any case, it's great to see someone taking the Wikinews coverage as something they'd like to mail on. We strive to be neutral in our coverage and do well balanced reports. We don't have enough people on the project to cover every issue and sometimes our front page can look odd because of people covering what interests them. I'd like to take this opportunity to invite you to get involved. It can be as much or as little as you want. Correct grammatical errors, change passive voice to active, or be really bold and start your own articles. Wikinews tries to be a welcoming international community and we have editors all over the world. For obvious reasons the English project is among the most active, but French, German, and Chinese projects also manage a respectable article count. What makes me smile is when we have coverage in multiple languages; we certainly aren't as organised as Wikipedia is with that, but we try.
Again, thank you for contacting us, we really should publicise this email address more.
"Christ, Andrew (AV)" xxx@xxx wrote:
Brian,
I wanted to send the article about the burial of the woman leader in Pakistan who was assassinated.
After I sent that e-mail, I can understand why Wikinews wouldn't want
an
'e-mail article' button. It's one of the ways I keep in touch with a friend. Some people will want to know whether Wikinews uses the info about which articles get sent in their decisions as to which articles
to
write. Wikinews wouldn't be able to prove that the info isn't used in making such decisions. I had forgotten about my browser's 'e-mail
page'
feature.
Andy
-----Original Message----- From: Wikinews Information Team [mailto:wikinews@wikimedia.org] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:25 AM To: Christ, Andrew (AV) Subject: Re: [Ticket#2007122810012695] E-mail this article
Dear Christ Andrew,
Thank you for your mail.
"Christ, Andrew (AV)" xxx@xxx wrote:
Please consider adding a button to your news articles. By clicking
the
button, a reader may type in an e-mail address of a friend and send
the
news article to them. Thank you.
Andrew, looks like you'll get your wish. One of our Serbian
contributors
who is more technical than me is working on some code so we can have a
this page" link in the left-hand sidebar.
Out of curiosity, can you say which specific article you figured you
had
to mail on? Just want to know some more about what makes our readers want to do more than just read.
Yours sincerely, Brian McNeil
-- Wikinews - http://en.wikinews.org
Disclaimer: all mail to this address is answered by volunteers, and responses are not to be considered an official statement of the Wikimedia Foundation. For official correspondence, you may contact the site operators at http://www.wikimediafoundation.org.
Yours sincerely, Brian McNeil
-- Wikinews - http://en.wikinews.org
Disclaimer: all mail to this address is answered by volunteers, and responses are not to be considered an official statement of the Wikimedia Foundation. For official correspondence, you may contact the site operators at http://www.wikimediafoundation.org.
---- End forwarded message ---
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