I've decided that now is a *very* appropriate time to, once again, try and restart discussion on Wikipedia paying more than lipservice to Wikinews as the appropriate venue for news coverage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brian_McNeil#.22Recent.22_templates
These appear to be most of the enWP templates which caution that a section of the encyclopedia relates to *news*. You can see the additions I've made to highlight Wikinews coverage where it exists, and if not, urge people to contribute on Wikinews.
This went down quite badly last time. I'll bite my tongue and just describe the reaction to such a link on Ted Kennedy's death as "hostile". Realistically, this needs to come as a significant push from someone like Jimmy.
Anyway, any thoughts on fine-tuning this? Please note, I've put tooltips on all the given links. There are cases where a long Wikinews title would mess the template on Wikipedia, so I hide the title in the tooltip.
The examples look good to me. One suggestion, maybe link "Wikipedia is not a news site" to WP:NOTNEWS ?
Александр Дмитрий Alexandr Dmitri
2009/12/1 Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org
I've decided that now is a *very* appropriate time to, once again, try and restart discussion on Wikipedia paying more than lipservice to Wikinews as the appropriate venue for news coverage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brian_McNeil#.22Recent.22_templates
These appear to be most of the enWP templates which caution that a section of the encyclopedia relates to *news*. You can see the additions I've made to highlight Wikinews coverage where it exists, and if not, urge people to contribute on Wikinews.
This went down quite badly last time. I'll bite my tongue and just describe the reaction to such a link on Ted Kennedy's death as "hostile". Realistically, this needs to come as a significant push from someone like Jimmy.
Anyway, any thoughts on fine-tuning this? Please note, I've put tooltips on all the given links. There are cases where a long Wikinews title would mess the template on Wikipedia, so I hide the title in the tooltip.
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On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 09:35 -0500, Alexandr Romanov wrote:
The examples look good to me. One suggestion, maybe link "Wikipedia is not a news site" to WP:NOTNEWS ?
Александр Дмитрий Alexandr Dmitri
2009/12/1 Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org I've decided that now is a *very* appropriate time to, once again, try and restart discussion on Wikipedia paying more than lipservice to Wikinews as the appropriate venue for news coverage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brian_McNeil#.22Recent.22_templates
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 09:35 -0500, Alexandr Romanov wrote:
The examples look good to me. One suggestion, maybe link "Wikipedia is not a news site" to WP:NOTNEWS ?
Nit: If I start bitching about top-posting, please check I've taken my meds ;-)
Unfortunately, [[WP:NOTNEWS]] is a link to a sub-section of a very long and somewhat complex project policy page. I'm reluctant to link to that, and instead chose to state "Wikipedia is not a news site." as a blunt fact.
As you should see from another message, I originally BCC'd Jimmy Wales, and there was a very prompt response. I think I messed up passing the email through the list approval process - whitelisted the address, but discarded the message (Sorry Jimmy, won't happen again).
Mike Peel of WMUK has already posted a "yes!" on my enWP talk page. So, were else do we have Wikinews snuck into Wikipedia? I remember there's something about porting links from DPLs over to Portals; can someone comment on the techie aspects of this?
2009/12/1 Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org I've decided that now is a *very* appropriate time to, once again, try and restart discussion on Wikipedia paying more than lipservice to Wikinews as the appropriate venue for news coverage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brian_McNeil#.22Recent.22_templates
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 09:35 -0500, Alexandr Romanov wrote:
The examples look good to me. One suggestion, maybe link "Wikipedia is not a news site" to WP:NOTNEWS ?
I think this is a point for Bawolff to chip in...
There are a few special pieces of Javascript active on enWN which try to detect incoming Wikipedians and caution them about editing on Wikinews, i.e. articles are a "snapshot", not to be encyclopedic, &c.
IIRC the flow is as such:
1. User reads Wikipedia article, sees link to Wikinews article 2. User clicks link, reads Wikinews article 3. User selects to edit Wikinews article, a custom WP-specific edit intro is displayed.
Any intermediate steps between 2 and 3 will see the "Referrer:" lost and the custom edit intro not displayed.
Oh, and as some will recall, {{Howdy} }[1] has a "quick guide" for Wikipedians; I'd really love Jimmy and Mike Peel's input on this.
[1] http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Howdy
On 1 Dec 2009, at 15:18, Brian McNeil wrote:
There are a few special pieces of Javascript active on enWN which try to detect incoming Wikipedians and caution them about editing on Wikinews, i.e. articles are a "snapshot", not to be encyclopedic, &c.
IIRC the flow is as such:
- User reads Wikipedia article, sees link to Wikinews article
- User clicks link, reads Wikinews article
- User selects to edit Wikinews article, a custom WP-specific edit intro is displayed.
Any intermediate steps between 2 and 3 will see the "Referrer:" lost and the custom edit intro not displayed.
Oh, and as some will recall, {{Howdy} }[1] has a "quick guide" for Wikipedians; I'd really love Jimmy and Mike Peel's input on this.
Is it a reasonable assumption to assume that all newly created accounts and anonymous editors will be familiar with Wikipedia but not Wikinews? If so, could something like that "Used to contributing to Wikipedia? See here." link on the howdy template be displayed automatically on the edit intro? Possibly with a "hide" button for those that don't want to see it. Javascript tracking shouldn't be necessary...
BTW, some of the landing pages could really do with a rewrite. e.g. "We put our pants on one leg at a time, just like you, but our jeans are cut faster and have some specializations that you might not know about." http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:For_Wikipedians I think that manages to be sexist and language-ist (colloquialism) simultaneously, aside from being more broadly insulting... ;-)
Mike
Yes, that is correct. {{Editintro from wikipedia}} is shown to anyone who hits edit from a page on wikinews, when there referrer starts with http://en.wikipedia.org which covers most, but not all (ex secure or mobile wikipedia) traffic from en'pedia. (unless the article is old, in which case {{editintro notcurrent}} is show). As brianmc mentions, if the user browses around, the referer header is lost. See http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Javascript#Custom_Editintros for the gory details.
As for wikinews articles on portals - there is a bot run/developed by Miza13 ([[w:user:Wikinews importer bot]]) that copies various DPL's from wikinews to various portal pages & templates on wikipedia. This can be most commonly seen from [[Portal:Current events]] on wikipedia, where wikinews content is displayed quite prominantly (I think Cirt set that up, if i recall). Wikinews content is also dynamically added to several other pages. most portal pages have a small this topic in the news section, and some articles on major topics (typically major countries) have a {{Wikinews}} like template that updates dynamically by the bot.
Of course there is also the manually added {{wikinews|Some article name}} template that is added by hand like the other sisterlinks templates.
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As for this idea in general, I think this is a great idea, but we should make sure to try and get wikipedians on board in so it doesn't look like somebody from the outside is changing all these templates.
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On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org wrote:
2009/12/1 Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org I've decided that now is a *very* appropriate time to, once again, try and restart discussion on Wikipedia paying more than lipservice to Wikinews as the appropriate venue for news coverage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brian_McNeil#.22Recent.22_templates
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 09:35 -0500, Alexandr Romanov wrote:
The examples look good to me. One suggestion, maybe link "Wikipedia is not a news site" to WP:NOTNEWS ?
I think this is a point for Bawolff to chip in...
There are a few special pieces of Javascript active on enWN which try to detect incoming Wikipedians and caution them about editing on Wikinews, i.e. articles are a "snapshot", not to be encyclopedic, &c.
IIRC the flow is as such:
- User reads Wikipedia article, sees link to Wikinews article
- User clicks link, reads Wikinews article
- User selects to edit Wikinews article, a custom WP-specific edit
intro is displayed.
Any intermediate steps between 2 and 3 will see the "Referrer:" lost and the custom edit intro not displayed.
Oh, and as some will recall, {{Howdy} }[1] has a "quick guide" for Wikipedians; I'd really love Jimmy and Mike Peel's input on this.
[1] http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Howdy
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