There has now been a vote, organized by Formulax, among Chinese language
Wikimedians on whether there should be a Chinese Wikinews.
The results are at:
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E6%8A%95%E7%A5%A8/%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%B…
In an amusing demonstration of the problems of voting, there were 13
votes opposed to the project, 13 votes in support, and 1 vote with
support only if compromises could be made about NPOV.
There was a larger vote earlier on whether this should be up to the
global community to decide, or to the Chinese community. That vote was
inconclusive, too, with opinions evenly split (50% want it to be a
global decision, 50% want it to be a local decision) and very strong
expressions of emotions on both sides.
We can continue voting until we get a nice result, but I think it would
be best now for the board to make a decision about this.
My recommendation is a compromise: the project should go ahead under
somewhat more rigid conditions (at least 10 support votes with at least
6 of them from Wikimedia regulars PLUS the process at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_language_pre-launch ). We can deal
with problems of censorship as they arise.
Erik
I'm a newbie at WikiNews and am not adept with HTML so pardon any
newbie errors I may make in reporting this. I posted the
following report on the WikiNews:Vandalism webpage
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Vandalism but when I refresh
the webpage I don't see the content I posted listed with the
previous vandalism reports. Therefore, I thought I'd also report
this matter to this mailing list so that someone more qualified
can rectify the vandalism situation.
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On http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_Page someone created a
hovering banner with the text content below. Being a newbie here,
and unfamiliar with HTML, I am incapable of dealing with it in
some manner. I had to register with the website just to post this
notice.
Sponsored by
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It's not just for breakfast anymore!
hiya
Why not starting several languages, sv.wikinews,
fi.wikinews etc... but all of you focusing to set up a
portal page where you will together summarize the news
related to the scandinavian countries ?
I think it would be similarly suitable one day, that
the swiss set up a portal page for swiss and put there
news from fr, de, it etc....
No ?
ant
--- Kurt-Rune Bergset <kurtber(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I guess there are no language codes for
> scandinavian, as it's not a
> language, but we could use something like
> "skan.wikinews"?
>
> REFERENDRUM
> If there is to be a referendrum on wethere to make a
> Scandinavian
> Wikinews, it is important to announce it on the
> different scandinavian
> (norwegian (bokm�l), norwegian (nynorsk), danish and
> swedish)
> wikipedias too, as norwegians and danes does not
> have their own
> wikinews'.
>
> Then again; I can't see why we should vote on wether
> to have separate
> scandinavian wikinews-editions when it is obvious
> that the one we have
> (the swedish) is thriving?
>
> VISIONS FOR SKANWIKINYTT
> I don't belive anyone has suggested making a
> Scandinavian Wikinews IN
> STEAD OF national wikinews-editions in Sweden,
> Denmark and Norway.
> Personally I see the Scandinavian Wikinews as a
> cooperation in the
> scandinavian wiki-community.
>
> When SkanWikiNytt (or something like that) has been
> running for a
> while, it will hopefully have gained members from
> Denmark and Norway,
> thus making a ground for creating a danish and
> norwegian wikinews. The
> swedish wikinews seems to be thriving, and I would
> NOT want to stop
> that project, by using sv.wikinews for a
> scandinavian wikinews portal!
>
> When we have wikinews-editions in all three
> countries, the
> Scandinavian Wikinews will have its function in
> being a portal for
> making "top stories" from all scandinavian wikis
> (norwegian, danish
> and swedish) available to the public. Making
> scandinavian news
> available to those who are used to only national
> news.
>
> Idealistic regards!
> Kurt
>
> On Mar 31, 2005 8:22 PM, Erik Moeller
> <erik_moeller(a)gmx.de> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > since this is a significant difference from the
> way we are currently
> > doing things, I believe there needs to be a vote
> on this first. Please
> > organize a vote on Meta on whether the
> Scandinavian Wikinewses should be
> > separate, or united, and announce it widely,
> especially on the
> > sv.wikinews.org Village Pump.
> >
> > If there's a majority in support for a united
> Scandinavian Wikinews, we
> > can use sv.wikinews.org for it.
> >
> > All best,
> >
> > Erik
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Hi,
for the last couple of months, Wikinews and The World Forum
(www.theworldforum.org) have enjoyed a very productive cooperation. TWF
reposts Wikinews stories (allowing us to appear on the news.google.com
frontpage several times), and the editor, "Drog", has now also started
submitting his own stories to Wikinews as public domain.
I've given Drog the go-ahead to link to Wikinews using our logo on the
frontpage. I thought that given the recent discussions about logo
copyright & licensing, it might be a good idea to report this here.
(On a related note, I feel that David Vasquez has done an excellent job
refining the logo. It looks much more optimistic and welcoming than the
logos of most news sites.)
All best,
Erik
Hi,
I've just joined this list, sorry I don't know what discussion there may have
been, or any protocols I should observe.
I have an urgent request/suggestion. We need to point out more clearly that
content is user-written, and may change.
This is urgent to me personally because I have a source who is skeptical of
providing quotes because they may be edited to misconstrue the position of the
source.
This is valid, and will reduce our access to live sources.
And we have an ethical and usability issue to deal with. Ethical, I will not
even argue, I think it is obvious.
Users who do not understand the multi-user, realtime contribution nature of the
site may have trouble adjusting as they find their work amended. Forewarned,
their expectations would be more in line with their experiences, and less
problems arise.
And there are legal issues I suppose as well, if the case occured that my
potential source is afraid of. I notice that even our disclaimers page is
blank, but in reality it is not going to be effective to have this info hidden
away on the disclaimer page (although I will try to find some time to put some
disclaimer).
So what I would ask is that we amend the line "From Wikinews, the free news
source (BETA)" which appears on every page to something similar to
>From Wikinews, the free, user-written news source that
[[Wikinews:Wikinews_needs_you%21|anyone can edit]] (BETA)
<BR>Warning: content changes in realtime - refresh
[[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] tracker to see latest amendments
OK, that is a bit long, the first line is the important part.
Can someone please make a change like this asap, then perhaps we can come up
with better text after some discussion. I would like to be able to assure my
source that readers cannot misconstrue our content as authoritative.
Simeon
Thanks to Ilya Haykinson, there's now a web interface to our chat rooms:
http://www.tiredbrain.com/wikinews/irc/irc.cgi
If you've always thought about joining our real-time chat, this is an
easy way for you to get connected without knowing anything about IRC. We
have also reorganized the chat rooms a bit. There are now the following
channels:
#wikinews - international discussion, coordination of global reporting
#wikinews-en - http://en.wikinews.org/
#wikinews-pl - http://pl.wikinews.org/
#de.wikinews - http://de.wikinews.org/
#de.wikinews.org still follows the old naming convention. FreeNode
prefers the "project-subproject" convention.
I'm very happy with these developments. Already, there have been some
interesting discussions on #wikinews about a global editorial policy for
Wikinews, and a lot of exchanges between the Polish and English
communities. I hope that more people from the other editions will join
the international chat room on a regular basis.
If you intend to use the chat, please add yourself to the list at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/IRC
so we have an idea who comes from which region.
All best,
Erik
Please avoid this type of comment Lennart, if you want
this list to stay peaceful and constructive. That
would be nice of you.
Ant
--- Lennart Regebro <regebro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Ignoring the very French psuedo-debate about
> philosphy, I have this comment:
> > <BR>Warning: content changes in realtime
>
> It's the internet. It changes in realtime. We don't
> have to tell people that.
>
> --
> Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/
> CPS Content Management
> http://www.cps-project.org/
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Hi,
David Vasquez has spent the last few weeks refining the Wikinews logo to
address the concerns of those who voted against it in the logo contest. See:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews_logo_contest_voting/Variants
for the process. Primarily, he has tried to make the logo more distinct
from that of the United Nations, to avoid potential trademark/copyright
problems or simple confusion. I've gone ahead and replaced the logo that
is currently in use with one of the updated versions (except on those
editions that use a logo with custom text; I ask those to please modify
theirs accordingly). The differences are small, but should help to give
us a more distinct look and feel.
Please do continue to comment on the above page, and help us to refine
the logo further.
All best,
Erik
--- "jacques.divol" <jacques.divol(a)laposte.net> wrote:
>
> Le 6 avr. 05, � 09:58, Anthere a �crit :
>
> >
> > --- "jacques.divol" <jacques.divol(a)laposte.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> i'll try to check and untie the knots, its ....
> >> weird the way people
> >> had act on the matter wikipedia vs wikinews.
> >>
> >>
> >> Many french feel very upsets of being forced to
> >> accept wikinews from
> >> 'foreigners', with rules and ways of making the
> >> stuff not very
> >> familliars to them. (it's their feeling)
> >>
> >> Sad.
> >>
> >> but I understand very well their point of view on
> >> the mater.
> >>
> >> many thinks that wikinews is outside wikipedia
> "way
> >> of life" so reject
> >> the project (no editor freedom,...)
> >>
> >> They forget that If the creator of wikinews, the
> >> living WIKI God
> >> himself, said something about the way people may
> >> write articles, may
> >> use a workflow or templates and so on, it's just
> >> ideas, draft
> >> framework, draft blue print, ... it's not LAW,
> it's
> >> just a ... 'what do
> >> you think of that' .
> >>
> >> i think, am I wrong Erik ???
> >> don't think
> >>
> >> I think that polish, french, spanish, italian,
> ...
> >> wikinews DONT HAVE
> >> TO FOLLOW editorial way from ENGLISH or GERMAN
> >> editions.
> >> -They could find they own ways,
> >>
> >> MORE I think that wikinews DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW
> >> editorial way from
> >> Professional NewsWriters, journalists.
> >> -They could find they own ways.
> >
> > I entirely agree with you Jacques.
> >
> > However, when you claim that neutrality is not a
> > universal concept, is purely an american concept,
> > should not influence the way of writing in a
> french
> > speaking website. And that lastly, the current
> NPOV
> > might even be illegal in France... Sorry, but I
> find
> > this a bit worrying.
> >
> > While there are rules which should absolutely be
> > local, other principles should not. I am currently
> a
> > bit perplex.
> >
> > Ant
> >
>
>
> Thanks Ant,
>
> -Yes I claim, read some Jack Vance, Ursula Le Guin
> (...) Sci-Fi books,
> you'll understand that Universality Concept is not
> Universal at all,
> it's a concept no more.
I disagree. The concept of neutrality first come from
people and how they are 1) able to perceive what is
happening around them, 2) adopt an attitude which
makes them able to distinguish a fact from an opinion
and 3) be able to report facts as facts and opinions
as opinions; it is totally unrelated to a country or
to a nationality.
> -yes, NPOV is not so legal in France, but don't
> worry.
I do not worry about this. Wikinews is not a french
project from France. It is not written by french from
France, for french from France; It is a project in
french language.
> -Each one is responsible in France (more or less ok)
As long as we stick to the current neutrality rules, I
doubt much our government would ever dare declaring us
illegal.
> For example : Nazi party is ILLEGAL in France, as
> well supporting this
> kind of ideas, its not the case in the USA (first
> Amendment), and so
> on...
You have not understood what neutrality is about I
think. Neutrality is not supporting the Nazi party, it
is not supporting this kind of idea, neutrality is
just saying what the Nazi party is (or was), what the
Nazi party plateform was, to explain who is a
supporter this party, who is involved in this party,
how, and if necessary, to cite some of the words said
by someone belonging to this party.
I think none of this is illegal in France. It is
illegal to promote these ideas, but it is not
forbidden to talk about it in an unbaised way.
In comparison (since it was mentionned that french
Wikinews could be similar to Indymedia), Indymedia
supports certain ideas. I do not think Wikinews should
do that.
> The worst in fact in france is about copyright and
> the stuff author
> rights... , but you already know i hope
> It's a problem for all wiki sub-domain: so for
> wikinews:fr it is states
> that all the writing is PUBLIC DOMAIN.
This is absolutely NOT the reason why fr wikinews is
currently in public domain.
> ... other wise you need a contract, something writen
> that the author
> leave all his (her) rights upon the 'work'.
There is somehow such a contract with wikipedians, who
agree to release their work under a free licence. It
does not mean they leave ALL their rights.
Under public domain, they do.
> (it's complexe when money(or possible virtual futur
> value) is involved
> . you know what I mean, could kill
> friendship,familly and love...),
Frankly, no, I do not see what it is killing.
> french government wants it's share too...(taxes,...)
> and when it's FREE
> no taxes !
Sorry, but this does not make much sense to me. Could
you elaborate ?
> jacques
>
> sorry for my free way of writing, I am not so easy
> in English ((ok best
> than most french people)
> and it's hell when i speak !
>
>
>
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