Dear All
From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested mediawiki technical team to make a phonetic Marathi font transliteration system default for all anonymous users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500 edits just simply because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous users it seems that they usualy do not understand how to enable present optional transliteration system.
the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version available for testing attranslatewiki.net . We have received following reply to our Our technical request which is submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will put the information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate marathi wikipedia community decesion.
Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all of you so this is for your information and discussion .Please keep this discussion in english so non marathi development team members can understand our discussion.
Regards mahitgar
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org" bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org To: mahitgar@yahoo.co.in Sent: Monday, 12 December 2011 12:35 PM Subject: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
--- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com 2011-12-12 07:05:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #0)
Dear All , Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the google online presentation at [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWz-tCvrRg5GaPh5lD_0aPy9CnUmRUVaHcs1...]
Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam extension on Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please see Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E... )
The extension is available at translatewiki.net , and we marked as beta till we get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works as expected.
1)Narayam should be default font inputting system for all unregistered users and all users for upto 500 edit
We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check the edits count.
- The requested inputting facility should be applicable on all namespaces
including inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and references
This should be ok.
3)Also applicable at edit summary,all search windows,all input boxes specialy "type=create" group
The extension will be enabled in all editable fields.
4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option too as per windows non-default option
Transliteration is the default one.
5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector
We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension supports Vector, Monobook, Modern skins.
- Narayam should be default to above said user category to New User Creation
and User Login
Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category.
7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to Marathi Wikipedia sysops at local level
No, The extension does not provide this feature.
If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at translatewiki.net, please inform us here. We will enable it in mr wikis in the next i18n deployment.
Thanks for this forward. In my opinion the transliteration should not be the default input method. It should made available as non default. 1. Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by Govt. of India and thus it is our duty to encourage it's use. 2. When we make inscript non default, we are encouraging people not tto use it. 3. If any one does not know or does not want to use Inscript, she can use other methods i. e. transliteration etc. 4. There is no standard transliteration scheme available. All available schemes differ with each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise decision to make a non standard method as default. It should be available as non default.
Sushant
2011/12/13 Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@yahoo.co.in
Dear All From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested mediawiki technical team to make a phonetic Marathi font transliteration system default for all anonymous users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500 edits just simply because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous users it seems that they usualy do not understand how to enable present optional transliteration system.
the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version available for testing at translatewiki.nethttp://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Mr. We have received following reply to our Our technical request which is submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will put the information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate marathi wikipedia community decesion.
Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all of you so this is for your information and discussion .Please keep this discussion in english so non marathi development team members can understand our discussion.
Regards mahitgar
----- Forwarded Message ----- *From:* "bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org" bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org *To:* mahitgar@yahoo.co.in *Sent:* Monday, 12 December 2011 12:35 PM *Subject:* [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
--- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com 2011-12-12 07:05:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #0)
Dear All , Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the google online presentation at [
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWz-tCvrRg5GaPh5lD_0aPy9CnUmRUVaHcs1...]
Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam
extension on
Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please see Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E... )
The extension is available at translatewiki.net , and we marked as beta till we get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works as expected.
1)Narayam should be default font inputting system for all unregistered
users
and all users for upto 500 edit
We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check the edits count.
- The requested inputting facility should be applicable on all
namespaces
including inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and
references
This should be ok.
3)Also applicable at edit summary,all search windows,all input boxes
specialy
"type=create" group
The extension will be enabled in all editable fields.
4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option too as per windows non-default option
Transliteration is the default one.
5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector
We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension supports Vector, Monobook, Modern skins.
- Narayam should be default to above said user category to New User
Creation
and User Login
Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category.
7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to Marathi Wikipedia
sysops at
local level
No, The extension does not provide this feature.
If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at translatewiki.net, please inform us here. We will enable it in mr wikis in the next i18n deployment.
-- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You reported the bug.
I agree with and endorse each of Sushant’s statements.
Saleel Kulkarni
From: सुशान्त देवळेकर(Sushant Devlekar) [mailto:sushant.devlekar@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 13 December, 2011 11:29 AM To: Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia Cc: Marathi Wikipedia; marathi opensourse; deonagari; Wikimedia-IN-PUN@lists.wikimedia.org; mumbai list; Abhay Natu; Ajay Garg; anand.katikar@gmail.com; V Narsikar; bhashapune@gmail.com; PRATIK DIXIT; Dr Anand Padhye; head.marathi@bamu.net; iamharshal@yahoo.com; info@pujasoft.net; info@vishwakosh.org.in; Sudhnwa Joglekar; Omkar Joshi; Mandar Kulkarni; Saleel Kulkarni; Kaustubh Samudra; Mahitgar From Marathi Wikipedia; Madhav Shirvalkar; msrkiran@gmail.com; shantanu oak; Subhash Pawar; prabodh1987@gmail.com; puremarathi@gmail.com; rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com; Rahuldeshmukh101; rama@cdacb.ernet.in; vishvakosh nirmiti mandal Wai; Amit Yadav; santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com; v padhye; atultulshi@gmail.com; "Abhishek Suryawanshi"; harshad.gune@gmail.com; "Nikhil Kadadi"; "Pallavi Kelkar"; "sagar markal"; milind@thebhandarakars.com Subject: Re: Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
Thanks for this forward. In my opinion the transliteration should not be the default input method. It should made available as non default. 1. Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by Govt. of India and thus it is our duty to encourage it's use. 2. When we make inscript non default, we are encouraging people not tto use it. 3. If any one does not know or does not want to use Inscript, she can use other methods i. e. transliteration etc. 4. There is no standard transliteration scheme available. All available schemes differ with each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise decision to make a non standard method as default. It should be available as non default.
Sushant
2011/12/13 Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@yahoo.co.in
Dear All
From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested mediawiki technical team to make a phonetic Marathi font transliteration system default for all anonymous users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500 edits just simply because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous users it seems that they usualy do not understand how to enable present optional transliteration system.
the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version available for testing at http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Mr translatewiki.net . We have received following reply to our Our technical request which is submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will put the information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate marathi wikipedia community decesion.
Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all of you so this is for your information and discussion .Please keep this discussion in english so non marathi development team members can understand our discussion.
Regards
mahitgar
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org" bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org To: mahitgar@yahoo.co.in Sent: Monday, 12 December 2011 12:35 PM Subject: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
--- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com 2011-12-12 07:05:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #0)
Dear All , Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the google online presentation at [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWz-tCvrRg5GaPh5lD_0aPy9CnUmRUVaHcs1...]
Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam extension on Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please see Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/ http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%B2 विकिपीडिया:कौल )
The extension is available at translatewiki.net , and we marked as beta till we get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works as expected.
1)Narayam should be default font inputting system for all unregistered users and all users for upto 500 edit
We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check the edits count.
- The requested inputting facility should be applicable on all namespaces
including inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and references
This should be ok.
3)Also applicable at edit summary,all search windows,all input boxes specialy "type=create" group
The extension will be enabled in all editable fields.
4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option too as per windows non-default option
Transliteration is the default one.
5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector
We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension supports Vector, Monobook, Modern skins.
- Narayam should be default to above said user category to New User Creation
and User Login
Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category.
7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to Marathi Wikipedia sysops at local level
No, The extension does not provide this feature.
If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at translatewiki.net, please inform us here. We will enable it in mr wikis in the next i18n deployment.
Before making a decision on this, I suggest to conduct a survey among existing Marathi wikipedians.
We cannot enforce a typing scheme on newbies when we are not getting enough contributes to Marathi wikipedia. Even the latest report shows Marathi wikipedia has just 47 active contributors. If transliteration is brining in more new users please go for that. If Inscript is brining in more new users use that. I am not sure how many of the existing users are using InScript. So make a decision based on the typing habit of existing users and potential new users.
The aim should be bringing in more Marathi speakers to marathi wiki.
2011/12/13 Saleel Kulkarni saleelk@gmail.com
I agree with and endorse each of Sushant’s statements.****
*Saleel Kulkarni*
*From:* सुशान्त देवळेकर(Sushant Devlekar) [mailto: sushant.devlekar@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 December, 2011 11:29 AM *To:* Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia *Cc:* Marathi Wikipedia; marathi opensourse; deonagari; Wikimedia-IN-PUN@lists.wikimedia.org; mumbai list; Abhay Natu; Ajay Garg; anand.katikar@gmail.com; V Narsikar; bhashapune@gmail.com; PRATIK DIXIT; Dr Anand Padhye; head.marathi@bamu.net; iamharshal@yahoo.com; info@pujasoft.net; info@vishwakosh.org.in; Sudhnwa Joglekar; Omkar Joshi; Mandar Kulkarni; Saleel Kulkarni; Kaustubh Samudra; Mahitgar From Marathi Wikipedia; Madhav Shirvalkar; msrkiran@gmail.com; shantanu oak; Subhash Pawar; prabodh1987@gmail.com; puremarathi@gmail.com; rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com; Rahuldeshmukh101; rama@cdacb.ernet.in; vishvakosh nirmiti mandal Wai; Amit Yadav; santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com; v padhye; atultulshi@gmail.com; "Abhishek Suryawanshi"; harshad.gune@gmail.com; "Nikhil Kadadi"; "Pallavi Kelkar"; "sagar markal"; milind@thebhandarakars.com *Subject:* Re: Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia****
Thanks for this forward. In my opinion the transliteration should not be the default input method. It should made available as non default.
- Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by Govt. of India and
thus it is our duty to encourage it's use. 2. When we make inscript non default, we are encouraging people not tto use it. 3. If any one does not know or does not want to use Inscript, she can use other methods i. e. transliteration etc. 4. There is no standard transliteration scheme available. All available schemes differ with each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise decision to make a non standard method as default. It should be available as non default.
Sushant****
2011/12/13 Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@yahoo.co.in****
Dear All ****
From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested mediawiki technical team to make a phonetic Marathi font transliteration system default for all anonymous users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500 edits just simply because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous users it seems that they usualy do not understand how to enable present optional transliteration system.****
the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version available for testing at translatewiki.nethttp://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Mr. We have received following reply to our Our technical request which is submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669 ****
This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will put the information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate marathi wikipedia community decesion.****
Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all of you so this is for your information and discussion .Please keep this discussion in english so non marathi development team members can understand our discussion.****
Regards****
mahitgar****
----- Forwarded Message ----- *From:* "bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org" bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org *To:* mahitgar@yahoo.co.in *Sent:* Monday, 12 December 2011 12:35 PM *Subject:* [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
--- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com 2011-12-12 07:05:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #0)
Dear All , Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the google online presentation at [
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWz-tCvrRg5GaPh5lD_0aPy9CnUmRUVaHcs1...]
Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam
extension on
Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please see Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E... )
The extension is available at translatewiki.net , and we marked as beta till we get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works as expected.
1)Narayam should be default font inputting system for all unregistered
users
and all users for upto 500 edit
We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check the edits count.
- The requested inputting facility should be applicable on all
namespaces
including inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and
references
This should be ok.
3)Also applicable at edit summary,all search windows,all input boxes
specialy
"type=create" group
The extension will be enabled in all editable fields.
4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option too as per windows non-default option
Transliteration is the default one.
5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector
We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension supports Vector, Monobook, Modern skins.
- Narayam should be default to above said user category to New User
Creation
and User Login
Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category.
7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to Marathi Wikipedia
sysops at
local level
No, The extension does not provide this feature.
If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at translatewiki.net, please inform us here. We will enable it in mr wikis in the next i18n deployment.
-- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You reported the bug.****
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Hi,
As I understand (and tried on translatewiki), Narayanam gives option of both the methods. phonetic is the default.
Let people choose whatever they want. Personally, I believe inscript should be used as default. If we give choices, people will always use the other one.
Regards -Sudhanwa
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Shiju Alex shiju@wikimedia.org wrote:
**
Before making a decision on this, I suggest to conduct a survey among existing Marathi wikipedians.
We cannot enforce a typing scheme on newbies when we are not getting enough contributes to Marathi wikipedia. Even the latest report shows Marathi wikipedia has just 47 active contributors. If transliteration is brining in more new users please go for that. If Inscript is brining in more new users use that. I am not sure how many of the existing users are using InScript. So make a decision based on the typing habit of existing users and potential new users.
The aim should be bringing in more Marathi speakers to marathi wiki.
2011/12/13 Saleel Kulkarni saleelk@gmail.com
I agree with and endorse each of Sushant’s statements.****
*Saleel Kulkarni*
*From:* सुशान्त देवळेकर(Sushant Devlekar) [mailto: sushant.devlekar@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 December, 2011 11:29 AM *To:* Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia *Cc:* Marathi Wikipedia; marathi opensourse; deonagari; Wikimedia-IN-PUN@lists.wikimedia.org; mumbai list; Abhay Natu; Ajay Garg; anand.katikar@gmail.com; V Narsikar; bhashapune@gmail.com; PRATIK DIXIT; Dr Anand Padhye; head.marathi@bamu.net; iamharshal@yahoo.com; info@pujasoft.net; info@vishwakosh.org.in; Sudhnwa Joglekar; Omkar Joshi; Mandar Kulkarni; Saleel Kulkarni; Kaustubh Samudra; Mahitgar From Marathi Wikipedia; Madhav Shirvalkar; msrkiran@gmail.com; shantanu oak; Subhash Pawar; prabodh1987@gmail.com; puremarathi@gmail.com; rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com; Rahuldeshmukh101; rama@cdacb.ernet.in; vishvakosh nirmiti mandal Wai; Amit Yadav; santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com; v padhye; atultulshi@gmail.com; "Abhishek Suryawanshi"; harshad.gune@gmail.com; "Nikhil Kadadi"; "Pallavi Kelkar"; "sagar markal"; milind@thebhandarakars.com *Subject:* Re: Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia****
Thanks for this forward. In my opinion the transliteration should not be the default input method. It should made available as non default.
- Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by Govt. of India
and thus it is our duty to encourage it's use. 2. When we make inscript non default, we are encouraging people not tto use it. 3. If any one does not know or does not want to use Inscript, she can use other methods i. e. transliteration etc. 4. There is no standard transliteration scheme available. All available schemes differ with each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise decision to make a non standard method as default. It should be available as non default.
Sushant****
2011/12/13 Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@yahoo.co.in****
Dear All ****
From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested mediawiki technical team to make a phonetic Marathi font transliteration system default for all anonymous users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500 edits just simply because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous users it seems that they usualy do not understand how to enable present optional transliteration system.****
the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version available for testing at translatewiki.nethttp://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Mr. We have received following reply to our Our technical request which is submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669 ****
This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will put the information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate marathi wikipedia community decesion.****
Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all of you so this is for your information and discussion .Please keep this discussion in english so non marathi development team members can understand our discussion.****
Regards****
mahitgar****
----- Forwarded Message ----- *From:* "bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org" bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org *To:* mahitgar@yahoo.co.in *Sent:* Monday, 12 December 2011 12:35 PM *Subject:* [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
--- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com 2011-12-12 07:05:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #0)
Dear All , Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the google online presentation at [
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWz-tCvrRg5GaPh5lD_0aPy9CnUmRUVaHcs1...]
Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam
extension on
Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please
see
Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E... )
The extension is available at translatewiki.net , and we marked as beta till we get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works as expected.
1)Narayam should be default font inputting system for all unregistered
users
and all users for upto 500 edit
We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check the edits count.
- The requested inputting facility should be applicable on all
namespaces
including inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and
references
This should be ok.
3)Also applicable at edit summary,all search windows,all input boxes
specialy
"type=create" group
The extension will be enabled in all editable fields.
4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option too as per windows non-default option
Transliteration is the default one.
5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector
We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension supports Vector, Monobook, Modern skins.
- Narayam should be default to above said user category to New User
Creation
and User Login
Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category.
7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to Marathi Wikipedia
sysops at
local level
No, The extension does not provide this feature.
If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at translatewiki.net, please inform us here. We will enable it in mr wikis in the next i18n deployment.
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Dear all,
I think let people decide how they wish to write. Important is let people write/ contribute! Do we have enough contributors/ editors on Marathi Wikipedia?
thanks n regards,
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa.com@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,
As I understand (and tried on translatewiki), Narayanam gives option of both the methods. phonetic is the default.
Let people choose whatever they want. Personally, I believe inscript should be used as default. If we give choices, people will always use the other one.
Regards -Sudhanwa
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Shiju Alex shiju@wikimedia.org wrote:
**
Before making a decision on this, I suggest to conduct a survey among existing Marathi wikipedians.
We cannot enforce a typing scheme on newbies when we are not getting enough contributes to Marathi wikipedia. Even the latest report shows Marathi wikipedia has just 47 active contributors. If transliteration is brining in more new users please go for that. If Inscript is brining in more new users use that. I am not sure how many of the existing users are using InScript. So make a decision based on the typing habit of existing users and potential new users.
The aim should be bringing in more Marathi speakers to marathi wiki.
2011/12/13 Saleel Kulkarni saleelk@gmail.com
I agree with and endorse each of Sushant’s statements.****
*Saleel Kulkarni*
*From:* सुशान्त देवळेकर(Sushant Devlekar) [mailto: sushant.devlekar@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 December, 2011 11:29 AM *To:* Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia *Cc:* Marathi Wikipedia; marathi opensourse; deonagari; Wikimedia-IN-PUN@lists.wikimedia.org; mumbai list; Abhay Natu; Ajay Garg; anand.katikar@gmail.com; V Narsikar; bhashapune@gmail.com; PRATIK DIXIT; Dr Anand Padhye; head.marathi@bamu.net; iamharshal@yahoo.com; info@pujasoft.net; info@vishwakosh.org.in; Sudhnwa Joglekar; Omkar Joshi; Mandar Kulkarni; Saleel Kulkarni; Kaustubh Samudra; Mahitgar From Marathi Wikipedia; Madhav Shirvalkar; msrkiran@gmail.com; shantanu oak; Subhash Pawar; prabodh1987@gmail.com; puremarathi@gmail.com; rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com; Rahuldeshmukh101; rama@cdacb.ernet.in; vishvakosh nirmiti mandal Wai; Amit Yadav; santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com; v padhye; atultulshi@gmail.com; "Abhishek Suryawanshi"; harshad.gune@gmail.com; "Nikhil Kadadi"; "Pallavi Kelkar"; "sagar markal"; milind@thebhandarakars.com *Subject:* Re: Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia****
Thanks for this forward. In my opinion the transliteration should not be the default input method. It should made available as non default.
- Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by Govt. of India
and thus it is our duty to encourage it's use. 2. When we make inscript non default, we are encouraging people not tto use it. 3. If any one does not know or does not want to use Inscript, she can use other methods i. e. transliteration etc. 4. There is no standard transliteration scheme available. All available schemes differ with each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise decision to make a non standard method as default. It should be available as non default.
Sushant****
2011/12/13 Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@yahoo.co.in****
Dear All ****
From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested mediawiki technical team to make a phonetic Marathi font transliteration system default for all anonymous users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500 edits just simply because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous users it seems that they usualy do not understand how to enable present optional transliteration system.****
the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version available for testing at translatewiki.nethttp://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Mr. We have received following reply to our Our technical request which is submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669 ****
This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will put the information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate marathi wikipedia community decesion.****
Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all of you so this is for your information and discussion .Please keep this discussion in english so non marathi development team members can understand our discussion.****
Regards****
mahitgar****
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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
--- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com 2011-12-12 07:05:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #0)
Dear All , Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the google online presentation at [
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWz-tCvrRg5GaPh5lD_0aPy9CnUmRUVaHcs1...]
Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam
extension on
Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please
see
Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E... )
The extension is available at translatewiki.net , and we marked as beta till we get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works as expected.
1)Narayam should be default font inputting system for all
unregistered users
and all users for upto 500 edit
We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check the edits count.
- The requested inputting facility should be applicable on all
namespaces
including inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and
references
This should be ok.
3)Also applicable at edit summary,all search windows,all input boxes
specialy
"type=create" group
The extension will be enabled in all editable fields.
4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option too as per windows non-default option
Transliteration is the default one.
5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector
We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension supports Vector, Monobook, Modern skins.
- Narayam should be default to above said user category to New User
Creation
and User Login
Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category.
7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to Marathi Wikipedia
sysops at
local level
No, The extension does not provide this feature.
If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at translatewiki.net, please inform us here. We will enable it in mr wikis in the next i18n deployment.
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There are various groups following several in key-in methods - outside wikipedia. I am considering outside wikipedia - as target audience for this requested change is new users who would contribute to wikipedia - assuming they will find key-in method simple. Thus, it is very subjective. Those who are writing blogs, on privately owned websites or on facebook - they ARE using one of several methods to key-in text either - available on those websites, or via desktop applications or via browser plugins, toolbars, bookmarklets etc. I believe people will contribute (if its just a matter of ease of typing in Marathi) if they adhere to standard keyboard all of them OR they are given an option to what they are already used to.
2011/12/13 Amit Yadav amityadav8@gmail.com
Dear all,
I think let people decide how they wish to write. Important is let people write/ contribute! Do we have enough contributors/ editors on Marathi Wikipedia?
thanks n regards,
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar < sudhanwa.com@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
As I understand (and tried on translatewiki), Narayanam gives option of both the methods. phonetic is the default.
Let people choose whatever they want. Personally, I believe inscript should be used as default. If we give choices, people will always use the other one.
Regards -Sudhanwa
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Shiju Alex shiju@wikimedia.org wrote:
**
Before making a decision on this, I suggest to conduct a survey among existing Marathi wikipedians.
We cannot enforce a typing scheme on newbies when we are not getting enough contributes to Marathi wikipedia. Even the latest report shows Marathi wikipedia has just 47 active contributors. If transliteration is brining in more new users please go for that. If Inscript is brining in more new users use that. I am not sure how many of the existing users are using InScript. So make a decision based on the typing habit of existing users and potential new users.
The aim should be bringing in more Marathi speakers to marathi wiki.
2011/12/13 Saleel Kulkarni saleelk@gmail.com
I agree with and endorse each of Sushant’s statements.****
*Saleel Kulkarni*
*From:* सुशान्त देवळेकर(Sushant Devlekar) [mailto: sushant.devlekar@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 December, 2011 11:29 AM *To:* Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia *Cc:* Marathi Wikipedia; marathi opensourse; deonagari; Wikimedia-IN-PUN@lists.wikimedia.org; mumbai list; Abhay Natu; Ajay Garg; anand.katikar@gmail.com; V Narsikar; bhashapune@gmail.com; PRATIK DIXIT; Dr Anand Padhye; head.marathi@bamu.net; iamharshal@yahoo.com; info@pujasoft.net; info@vishwakosh.org.in; Sudhnwa Joglekar; Omkar Joshi; Mandar Kulkarni; Saleel Kulkarni; Kaustubh Samudra; Mahitgar From Marathi Wikipedia; Madhav Shirvalkar; msrkiran@gmail.com; shantanu oak; Subhash Pawar; prabodh1987@gmail.com; puremarathi@gmail.com; rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com; Rahuldeshmukh101; rama@cdacb.ernet.in; vishvakosh nirmiti mandal Wai; Amit Yadav; santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com; v padhye; atultulshi@gmail.com; "Abhishek Suryawanshi"; harshad.gune@gmail.com; "Nikhil Kadadi"; "Pallavi Kelkar"; "sagar markal"; milind@thebhandarakars.com *Subject:* Re: Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia****
Thanks for this forward. In my opinion the transliteration should not be the default input method. It should made available as non default.
- Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by Govt. of India
and thus it is our duty to encourage it's use. 2. When we make inscript non default, we are encouraging people not tto use it. 3. If any one does not know or does not want to use Inscript, she can use other methods i. e. transliteration etc. 4. There is no standard transliteration scheme available. All available schemes differ with each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise decision to make a non standard method as default. It should be available as non default.
Sushant****
2011/12/13 Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@yahoo.co.in****
Dear All ****
From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested mediawiki technical team to make a phonetic Marathi font transliteration system default for all anonymous users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500 edits just simply because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous users it seems that they usualy do not understand how to enable present optional transliteration system.****
the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version available for testing at translatewiki.nethttp://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Mr. We have received following reply to our Our technical request which is submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669 ****
This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will put the information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate marathi wikipedia community decesion.****
Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all of you so this is for your information and discussion .Please keep this discussion in english so non marathi development team members can understand our discussion.****
Regards****
mahitgar****
----- Forwarded Message ----- *From:* "bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org" bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org *To:* mahitgar@yahoo.co.in *Sent:* Monday, 12 December 2011 12:35 PM *Subject:* [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
--- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com 2011-12-12 07:05:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #0)
Dear All , Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the google online presentation at [
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWz-tCvrRg5GaPh5lD_0aPy9CnUmRUVaHcs1...]
Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam
extension on
Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please
see
Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E... )
The extension is available at translatewiki.net , and we marked as beta till we get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works as expected.
1)Narayam should be default font inputting system for all
unregistered users
and all users for upto 500 edit
We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check the edits count.
- The requested inputting facility should be applicable on all
namespaces
including inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and
references
This should be ok.
3)Also applicable at edit summary,all search windows,all input boxes
specialy
"type=create" group
The extension will be enabled in all editable fields.
4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option too as per
windows
non-default option
Transliteration is the default one.
5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector
We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension supports Vector, Monobook, Modern skins.
- Narayam should be default to above said user category to New User
Creation
and User Login
Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category.
7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to Marathi Wikipedia
sysops at
local level
No, The extension does not provide this feature.
If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at translatewiki.net, please inform us here. We will enable it in mr wikis in the next i18n deployment.
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I think by default tool is OFF. The end user need to select the option according to his/her preference. My suggestion is to continue with that option.
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa.com@gmail.comwrote:
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Hi,
As I understand (and tried on translatewiki), Narayanam gives option of both the methods. phonetic is the default.
Let people choose whatever they want. Personally, I believe inscript should be used as default. If we give choices, people will always use the other one.
Regards -Sudhanwa
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Shiju Alex shiju@wikimedia.org wrote:
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Before making a decision on this, I suggest to conduct a survey among existing Marathi wikipedians.
We cannot enforce a typing scheme on newbies when we are not getting enough contributes to Marathi wikipedia. Even the latest report shows Marathi wikipedia has just 47 active contributors. If transliteration is brining in more new users please go for that. If Inscript is brining in more new users use that. I am not sure how many of the existing users are using InScript. So make a decision based on the typing habit of existing users and potential new users.
The aim should be bringing in more Marathi speakers to marathi wiki.
2011/12/13 Saleel Kulkarni saleelk@gmail.com
I agree with and endorse each of Sushant’s statements.****
*Saleel Kulkarni*
*From:* सुशान्त देवळेकर(Sushant Devlekar) [mailto: sushant.devlekar@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 December, 2011 11:29 AM *To:* Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia *Cc:* Marathi Wikipedia; marathi opensourse; deonagari; Wikimedia-IN-PUN@lists.wikimedia.org; mumbai list; Abhay Natu; Ajay Garg; anand.katikar@gmail.com; V Narsikar; bhashapune@gmail.com; PRATIK DIXIT; Dr Anand Padhye; head.marathi@bamu.net; iamharshal@yahoo.com; info@pujasoft.net; info@vishwakosh.org.in; Sudhnwa Joglekar; Omkar Joshi; Mandar Kulkarni; Saleel Kulkarni; Kaustubh Samudra; Mahitgar From Marathi Wikipedia; Madhav Shirvalkar; msrkiran@gmail.com; shantanu oak; Subhash Pawar; prabodh1987@gmail.com; puremarathi@gmail.com; rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com; Rahuldeshmukh101; rama@cdacb.ernet.in; vishvakosh nirmiti mandal Wai; Amit Yadav; santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com; v padhye; atultulshi@gmail.com; "Abhishek Suryawanshi"; harshad.gune@gmail.com; "Nikhil Kadadi"; "Pallavi Kelkar"; "sagar markal"; milind@thebhandarakars.com *Subject:* Re: Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia****
Thanks for this forward. In my opinion the transliteration should not be the default input method. It should made available as non default.
- Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by Govt. of India
and thus it is our duty to encourage it's use. 2. When we make inscript non default, we are encouraging people not tto use it. 3. If any one does not know or does not want to use Inscript, she can use other methods i. e. transliteration etc. 4. There is no standard transliteration scheme available. All available schemes differ with each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise decision to make a non standard method as default. It should be available as non default.
Sushant****
2011/12/13 Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@yahoo.co.in****
Dear All ****
From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested mediawiki technical team to make a phonetic Marathi font transliteration system default for all anonymous users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500 edits just simply because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous users it seems that they usualy do not understand how to enable present optional transliteration system.****
the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version available for testing at translatewiki.nethttp://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Mr. We have received following reply to our Our technical request which is submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669 ****
This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will put the information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate marathi wikipedia community decesion.****
Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all of you so this is for your information and discussion .Please keep this discussion in english so non marathi development team members can understand our discussion.****
Regards****
mahitgar****
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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
--- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com 2011-12-12 07:05:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #0)
Dear All , Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the google online presentation at [
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWz-tCvrRg5GaPh5lD_0aPy9CnUmRUVaHcs1...]
Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam
extension on
Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please
see
Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E... )
The extension is available at translatewiki.net , and we marked as beta till we get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works as expected.
1)Narayam should be default font inputting system for all
unregistered users
and all users for upto 500 edit
We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check the edits count.
- The requested inputting facility should be applicable on all
namespaces
including inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and
references
This should be ok.
3)Also applicable at edit summary,all search windows,all input boxes
specialy
"type=create" group
The extension will be enabled in all editable fields.
4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option too as per windows non-default option
Transliteration is the default one.
5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector
We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension supports Vector, Monobook, Modern skins.
- Narayam should be default to above said user category to New User
Creation
and User Login
Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category.
7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to Marathi Wikipedia
sysops at
local level
No, The extension does not provide this feature.
If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at translatewiki.net, please inform us here. We will enable it in mr wikis in the next i18n deployment.
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Hello,
In my opinion the transliteration should not be the default input method. It should made available as non default.
Agree wholeheartedly. Inscript is really a very intuitive method of typing Indic languages. I have been using this for more than six years now and find it so much better than phonetic typing. As an early adopter, I did have my reservations but within a few short days/weeks, I was convinced this is the way to go. As for typing complexity, remember that even the qwerty keyboard took some (or a lot) getting used to the first time we started. The beauty of Inscript is that it can be used with *any* Indic language. No matter if you're typing Marathi, Gujarati, Punjabi, Hindi or any other similar language, the key-bindings remain (almost) the same in all cases. Since this is now supported by most major operating system out-of-the-box, there's no java-script to load and no other softwares to slow down your computer. There are many other advantages I can harp on, but I don't think this is the time or place to do so.
- Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by Govt. of India and thus it is our
duty to encourage it's use.
I am not sure I support the do-it-because-govt-says-so line. Inscript stands on its own merit. GOI makes many stupid decisions and implements many idiotic policies, but endorsing Inscript is *not* one of them :) I support making Inscript the default and letting users choose any other input mechanism that they choose and are willing to work around. As Shiju and others have suggested, let's put this on w:mr and gauge people's reactions to see if there are any other points we may be missing. A poll thereafter should settle this. Regards, Abhay
- When we make inscript non default, we are encouraging people not tto use it.
3. If any one does not know or does not want to use Inscript, she can use other methods i. e. transliteration etc.
- There is no standard transliteration scheme available. All available schemes differ with
each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise decision to make a non standard method as default. It should be available as non default.
--- On Tue, 12/13/11, Shiju Alex shiju@wikimedia.org wrote:
From: Shiju Alex shiju@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [mr-wiki] Re: [Wikimedia-IN-PUN] Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia To: mr-wiki@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Mailing list for Wikimedians in Pune, India" wikimedia-in-pun@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 3:50 AM
I think by default tool is OFF. The end user need to select the option according to his/her preference. My suggestion is to continue with that option.
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa.com@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
As I understand (and tried on translatewiki), Narayanam gives option of both the methods. phonetic is the default.
Let people choose whatever they want. Personally, I believe inscript should be used as default. If we give choices, people will always use the other one.
Regards -Sudhanwa
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Shiju Alex shiju@wikimedia.org wrote:
Before making a decision on this, I suggest to conduct a survey among existing Marathi wikipedians.
We cannot enforce a typing scheme on newbies when we are not getting enough contributes to Marathi wikipedia. Even the latest report shows Marathi wikipedia has just 47 active contributors. If transliteration is brining in more new users please go for that. If Inscript is brining in more new users use that. I am not sure how many of the existing users are using InScript. So make a decision based on the typing habit of existing users and potential new users.
The aim should be bringing in more Marathi speakers to marathi wiki.
2011/12/13 Saleel Kulkarni saleelk@gmail.com
I agree with and endorse each of Sushant’s statements. Saleel Kulkarni
From: सुशान्त देवळेकर(Sushant Devlekar) [mailto:sushant.devlekar@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 13 December, 2011 11:29 AM To: Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia Cc: Marathi Wikipedia; marathi opensourse; deonagari; Wikimedia-IN-PUN@lists.wikimedia.org; mumbai list; Abhay Natu; Ajay Garg; anand.katikar@gmail.com; V Narsikar; bhashapune@gmail.com; PRATIK DIXIT; Dr Anand Padhye; head.marathi@bamu.net; iamharshal@yahoo.com; info@pujasoft.net; info@vishwakosh.org.in; Sudhnwa Joglekar; Omkar Joshi; Mandar Kulkarni; Saleel Kulkarni; Kaustubh Samudra; Mahitgar From Marathi Wikipedia; Madhav Shirvalkar; msrkiran@gmail.com; shantanu oak; Subhash Pawar; prabodh1987@gmail.com; puremarathi@gmail.com; rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com; Rahuldeshmukh101; rama@cdacb.ernet.in; vishvakosh nirmiti mandal Wai; Amit Yadav; santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com; v padhye; atultulshi@gmail.com; "Abhishek Suryawanshi"; harshad.gune@gmail.com; "Nikhil Kadadi"; "Pallavi Kelkar"; "sagar markal"; milind@thebhandarakars.com Subject: Re: Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
Thanks for this forward. In my opinion the transliteration should not be the default input method. It should made available as non default. 1. Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by Govt. of India and thus it is our duty to encourage it's use. 2. When we make inscript non default, we are encouraging people not tto use it. 3. If any one does not know or does not want to use Inscript, she can use other methods i. e. transliteration etc. 4. There is no standard transliteration scheme available. All available schemes differ with each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise decision to make a non standard method as default. It should be available as non default.
Sushant
2011/12/13 Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@yahoo.co.in
Dear All
From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested mediawiki technical team to make a phonetic Marathi font transliteration system default for all anonymous users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500 edits just simply because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous users it seems that they usualy do not understand how to enable present optional transliteration system.
the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version available for testing at translatewiki.net . We have received following reply to our Our technical request which is submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will put the information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate marathi wikipedia community decesion.
Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all of you so this is for your information and discussion .Please keep this discussion in english so non marathi development team members can understand our discussion.
Regards
mahitgar
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org" bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org To: mahitgar@yahoo.co.in Sent: Monday, 12 December 2011 12:35 PM Subject: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
--- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com 2011-12-12 07:05:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #0)
Dear All , Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the google online presentation at [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWz-tCvrRg5GaPh5lD_0aPy9CnUmRUVaHcs1...]
Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam extension on Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please see Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E... )
The extension is available at translatewiki.net , and we marked as beta till we get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works as expected.
1)Narayam should be default font inputting system for all unregistered users and all users for upto 500 edit
We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check the edits count.
- The requested inputting facility should be applicable on all namespaces
including inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and references
This should be ok.
3)Also applicable at edit summary,all search windows,all input boxes specialy "type=create" group
The extension will be enabled in all editable fields.
4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option too as per windows non-default option
Transliteration is the default one.
5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector
We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension supports Vector, Monobook, Modern skins.
- Narayam should be default to above said user category to New User Creation
and User Login
Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category.
7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to Marathi Wikipedia sysops at local level
No, The extension does not provide this feature.
If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at translatewiki.net, please inform us here. We will enable it in mr wikis in the next i18n deployment.
Dear All
Sorry fot delay from side in replying this discussion thread since my schedules on field work are going to tight.While I do not blame inscript users and supporters for going beyond the given scope and focus of the discussion since may of them are not aware of earlier discussions we had on Marathi Wikipedia or missing on some of the finer points,still it is my responsibility to reply the same.
For inscript supporters I earnestly request to trust in me for my neutral POV, that I have studied their set of arguments in great detail , I have tried myself to promote and teach inscript personally in field .I have been involved in co-ordinating a yahoogroup called Devnagari and had been studying all aspects of the issues involved since long.That I have studied patterns of mistakes committed by new comers on Marathi Wikipedia in great details. Please do trust in me that every step I intend to take will be in best favour of Marathi Language and marathi language Wikipedia.
1)Why do we need to have Marathi Typing as default system
Over the years I have been studying patterns of difficulties encountered by newcomers and anonymous users on Marathi Wikipedia .I have also conducted field surveys during Wikipedia training sessions and the first hurdle encountered availabilty of Marathi Font .Huge number of trail and error edits are happening in roman script Marathi and not because they are trying to type in roman but actually majority thinks that if they start typing it automatically comes in to marathi by phonetic transliteration.A visit to history of Marathi Wikipedia trail and error Sandbox pageविकिपीडिया:धूळपाटी speaks for itself
The current situation is not only their edits are getting deleted as spam , by not providing the requisite user friendly support levels we are discouraging great numbers from using marathi typing at all and as marketing background person I know it creats it only helps in creating a negative image and negative publicity To me this amounts to great disservice to Marathi language. (I will be replying some related FAQs ahead in this mail)
2) Default OK but why phonetic and why not inscript
a) inscript needs considerable user practice and special time involvement and effort before using it. Still the majority of users come from Shared computers of offices , educational institutions or Cybercafes or shared computers which to provide facility to enable Marathi Unicode typing support from authorities does not come easily Second aspect shared computing does not provide for required time besides they usually are not authorised to paste any stickers of Marathi alphabates on computer keyboards they are using.
b) When people are trying to write on Marathi Wikipedia they are already in a thought process which demands immidiate expression i.e.result so compelling them for a long inscript training time at that moment is not worth a trying option .Besides in the field I have personally obsrved that compelling people to use inscript only is found to be discouraging the majority. The simmiller view is shared by many who work in field for promotion of marathi unicode typing including Mr.Tushar Pawar of Marathi abhyas Kendra shared similler view point.
c)During Wikipedia editing trainings too as a trainer in field time available for training on how to type is too short .We need least number of processess and hurdels during these sessions.And for atleast coming two years numbers of hands on filed training sessions are going to increase phenomenally.
d)Actual field surveys have shown that 46% people are using google transliterator 40% using local phonetic transliteration of each of Marathi Website whichever site they go ten percent are using rest of phonetic typing. most of phonetic typing skill is coming to people from their freinds and peers through word of mouth.less than 4%are using inscript.Acually 2-4% usage of inscript also needs to be taken as good news
e) In one of my very recent discussions one of earstwhile GIST inscript expert himself claimed to me that now inscript is older than google transliterator and now a days google transliterator and phonetic transliterators are more intelligent,advance and supportive.
f) It is not for Wikipedia to promote this or that but make those uitilities available and every body can participate easily without hurdels
By taking all sides in to account I hae come to the conclusion that we will use phonetic Narayam as default , if technically possible we will try to limit it for certan popular categories of article pages or we will limit it with Name space and if that also not possible we will try to agree to a time limit for Narayam as default on Marathi Wikipedia .
With technical people we will try to find out if we can provide inscript as default on certain trial and error Sandbox page on Marathi Wikipedia.
Beyond Marathi Wikipedia I have been advocating for Some Unicode typing competions to build public confidance I have spoken with Marathi Abhyas Kendras Mr.Deepak Pawar and Tech Marathii Group also Some organisation need to take lead on this.
I have discussed ceratin ideas with Mr.Rahul Deshmukh fort online typing tutorials for beginners of phonetics as well as inscript .For inscript I have requested Sushant for developing more UTube presentation about exactly where to place the fingures while typing inscript and he has agreed to it.Once these things are ready we can request various medias and educational bodies to incorporate more aspects of Marathi Computer typing in their programmes.
Thanks again in participating in the dscussion
Warm Regards -Mahitgar
________________________________ From: Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@yahoo.co.in To: Marathi Wikipedia mr-wiki@yahoogroups.com; marathi opensourse MarathiOpenSource@yahoogroups.com; deonagari deonagari@yahoogroups.com; "Wikimedia-IN-PUN@lists.wikimedia.org" Wikimedia-IN-PUN@lists.wikimedia.org; mumbai list wikimedia-in-mum@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Abhay Natu anatu@yahoo.com; Ajay Garg ajaygarg2006@gmail.com; "anand.katikar@gmail.com" anand.katikar@gmail.com; V Narsikar v.narsikar@gmail.com; "bhashapune@gmail.com" bhashapune@gmail.com; PRATIK DIXIT ppdixit@gmail.com; Dr Anand Padhye adpadhye@gmail.com; Sushant Devlekar sushant.devlekar@gmail.com; "head.marathi@bamu.net" head.marathi@bamu.net; "iamharshal@yahoo.com" iamharshal@yahoo.com; "info@pujasoft.net" info@pujasoft.net; "info@vishwakosh.org.in" info@vishwakosh.org.in; Sudhnwa Joglekar sudhanwa.com@gmail.com; Omkar Joshi josh9383@gmail.com; Mandar Kulkarni mvkulkarni23@yahoo.co.uk; Saleel Kulkarni saleelk@gmail.com; Kaustubh Samudra ksamudra@gmail.com; Mandar Kulkarni mvkulkarni23@yahoo.co.uk; Mahitgar From Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@gmail.com; Madhav Shirvalkar mshirvalkar@gmail.com; "msrkiran@gmail.com" msrkiran@gmail.com; shantanu oak shantanu.oak@gmail.com; Subhash Pawar sypawar@gmail.com; "prabodh1987@gmail.com" prabodh1987@gmail.com; "puremarathi@gmail.com" puremarathi@gmail.com; "rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com" rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com; "rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com" rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com; Rahuldeshmukh101 rahuldeshmukh101@rediffmail.com; "rama@cdacb.ernet.in" rama@cdacb.ernet.in; vishvakosh nirmiti mandal Wai vishwai@yahoo.com; Amit Yadav amityadav8@gmail.com; "santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com" santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com; v padhye v.padhye@gmail.com; "atultulshi@gmail.com" atultulshi@gmail.com; ""Abhishek Suryawanshi"" abhi.surya2020@gmail.com; "harshad.gune@gmail.com" harshad.gune@gmail.com; ""Nikhil Kadadi"" nikhil@techmarathi.com; ""Pallavi Kelkar"" pallavi@techmarathi.com; ""sagar markal"" shree.sagar007@gmail.com; "milind@thebhandarakars.com" milind@thebhandarakars.com Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 10:49 AM Subject: Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
Dear All
From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested mediawiki technical team to make a phonetic Marathi font transliteration system default for all anonymous users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500 edits just simply because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous users it seems that they usualy do not understand how to enable present optional transliteration system.
the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version available for testing attranslatewiki.net . We have received following reply to our Our technical request which is submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will put the information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate marathi wikipedia community decesion.
Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all of you so this is for your information and discussion .Please keep this discussion in english so non marathi development team members can understand our discussion.
Regards mahitgar
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org" bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org To: mahitgar@yahoo.co.in Sent: Monday, 12 December 2011 12:35 PM Subject: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
--- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com 2011-12-12 07:05:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #0)
Dear All , Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the google online presentation at [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWz-tCvrRg5GaPh5lD_0aPy9CnUmRUVaHcs1...]
Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam extension on Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please see Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E... )
The extension is available at translatewiki.net , and we marked as beta till we get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works as expected.
1)Narayam should be default font inputting
system for all unregistered users
and all users for upto 500 edit
We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check the edits count.
- The requested inputting facility should be applicable on all namespaces
including inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and references
This should be ok.
3)Also applicable at edit summary,all search windows,all input boxes specialy "type=create" group
The extension will be enabled in all editable fields.
4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option too as per windows non-default option
Transliteration is the default one.
5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector
We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension supports Vector, Monobook, Modern skins.
- Narayam should be default to above said
user category to New User Creation
and User Login
Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category.
7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to Marathi Wikipedia sysops at local level
No, The extension does not provide this feature.
If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at translatewiki.net, please inform us here. We will enable it in mr wikis in the next i18n deployment.
I fully agree with Mahitgar and support strongly on his views....
With Regards,
Mandar V. Kulkarni http://mr.wikipedia.org
From: Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@yahoo.co.in To: Marathi Wikipedia mr-wiki@yahoogroups.com; marathi opensourse MarathiOpenSource@yahoogroups.com; deonagari deonagari@yahoogroups.com; "Wikimedia-IN-PUN@lists.wikimedia.org" Wikimedia-IN-PUN@lists.wikimedia.org; mumbai list wikimedia-in-mum@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Abhay Natu anatu@yahoo.com; Ajay Garg ajaygarg2006@gmail.com; "anand.katikar@gmail.com" anand.katikar@gmail.com; V Narsikar v.narsikar@gmail.com; "bhashapune@gmail.com" bhashapune@gmail.com; PRATIK DIXIT ppdixit@gmail.com; Dr Anand Padhye adpadhye@gmail.com; Sushant Devlekar sushant.devlekar@gmail.com; "head.marathi@bamu.net" head.marathi@bamu.net; "iamharshal@yahoo.com" iamharshal@yahoo.com; "info@pujasoft.net" info@pujasoft.net; "info@vishwakosh.org.in" info@vishwakosh.org.in; Sudhnwa Joglekar sudhanwa.com@gmail.com; Omkar Joshi josh9383@gmail.com; Mandar Kulkarni mvkulkarni23@yahoo.co.uk; Saleel Kulkarni saleelk@gmail.com; Kaustubh Samudra ksamudra@gmail.com; Mahitgar From Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@gmail.com; Madhav Shirvalkar mshirvalkar@gmail.com; "msrkiran@gmail.com" msrkiran@gmail.com; shantanu oak shantanu.oak@gmail.com; Subhash Pawar sypawar@gmail.com; "prabodh1987@gmail.com"
prabodh1987@gmail.com; "puremarathi@gmail.com" puremarathi@gmail.com; "rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com" rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com; Rahuldeshmukh101 rahuldeshmukh101@rediffmail.com; "rama@cdacb.ernet.in" rama@cdacb.ernet.in; vishvakosh nirmiti mandal Wai vishwai@yahoo.com; Amit Yadav amityadav8@gmail.com; "santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com" santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com; v padhye v.padhye@gmail.com; "atultulshi@gmail.com" atultulshi@gmail.com; ""Abhishek Suryawanshi"" abhi.surya2020@gmail.com; "harshad.gune@gmail.com" harshad.gune@gmail.com; ""Nikhil Kadadi"" nikhil@techmarathi.com; ""Pallavi Kelkar"" pallavi@techmarathi.com; ""sagar markal"" shree.sagar007@gmail.com; "milind@thebhandarakars.com" milind@thebhandarakars.com; "umeshkasture@gmail.com" umeshkasture@gmail.com; "tusharpawar1982@gmail.com" tusharpawar1982@gmail.com; "santhadeep@gmail.com" santhadeep@gmail.com; "shantanoo@gmail.com" shantanoo@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, 5 January 2012, 7:21 Subject: Re: [Bug 32669] Why we are going with phonetic as default on mr.wikipedia
Dear All
Sorry fot delay from side in replying this discussion thread since my schedules on field work are going to tight.While I do not blame inscript users and supporters for going beyond the given scope and focus of the discussion since may of them are not aware of earlier discussions we had on Marathi Wikipedia or missing on some of the finer points,still it is my responsibility to reply the same.
For inscript supporters I earnestly request to trust in me for my neutral POV, that I have studied their set of arguments in great detail , I have tried myself to promote and teach inscript personally in field .I have been involved in co-ordinating a yahoogroup called Devnagari and had been studying all aspects of the issues involved since long.That I have studied patterns of mistakes committed by new comers on Marathi Wikipedia in great details. Please do trust in me that every step I intend to take will be in best favour of Marathi Language and marathi language Wikipedia.
1)Why do we need to have Marathi Typing as default system
Over the years I have been studying patterns of difficulties encountered by newcomers and anonymous users on Marathi Wikipedia .I have also conducted field surveys during Wikipedia training sessions and the first hurdle encountered availabilty of Marathi Font .Huge number of trail and error edits are happening in roman script Marathi and not because they are trying to type in roman but actually majority thinks that if they start typing it automatically comes in to marathi by phonetic transliteration.A visit to history of Marathi Wikipedia trail and error Sandbox pageविकिपीडिया:धूळपाटी speaks for itself
The current situation is not only their edits are getting deleted as spam , by not providing the requisite user friendly support levels we are discouraging great numbers from using marathi typing at all and as marketing background person I know it creats it only helps in creating a negative image and negative publicity To me this amounts to great disservice to Marathi language. (I will be replying some related FAQs ahead in this mail)
- Default OK but why phonetic and why not inscript
a) inscript needs considerable user practice and special time involvement and effort before using it. Still the majority of users come from Shared computers of offices , educational institutions or Cybercafes or shared computers which to provide facility to enable Marathi Unicode typing support from authorities does not come easily Second aspect shared computing does not provide for required time besides they usually are not authorised to paste any stickers of Marathi alphabates on computer keyboards they are using.
b) When people are trying to write on Marathi Wikipedia they are already in a thought process which demands immidiate expression i.e.result so compelling them for a long inscript training time at that moment is not worth a trying option .Besides in the field I have personally obsrved that compelling people to use inscript only is found to be discouraging the majority. The simmiller view is shared by many who work in field for promotion of marathi unicode typing including Mr.Tushar Pawar of Marathi abhyas Kendra shared similler view point.
c)During Wikipedia editing trainings too as a trainer in field time available for training on how to type is too short .We need least number of processess and hurdels during these sessions.And for atleast coming two years numbers of hands on filed training sessions are going to increase phenomenally.
d)Actual field surveys have shown that 46% people are using google transliterator 40% using local phonetic transliteration of each of Marathi Website whichever site they go ten percent are using rest of phonetic typing. most of phonetic typing skill is coming to people from their freinds and peers through word of mouth.less than 4%are using inscript.Acually 2-4% usage of inscript also needs to be taken as good news
e) In one of my very recent discussions one of earstwhile GIST inscript expert himself claimed to me that now inscript is older than google transliterator and now a days google transliterator and phonetic transliterators are more intelligent,advance and supportive.
f) It is not for Wikipedia to promote this or that but make those uitilities available and every body can participate easily without hurdels
By taking all sides in to account I hae come to the conclusion that we will use phonetic Narayam as default , if technically possible we will try to limit it for certan popular categories of article pages or we will limit it with Name space and if that also not possible we will try to agree to a time limit for Narayam as default on Marathi Wikipedia .
With technical people we will try to find out if we can provide inscript as default on certain trial and error Sandbox page on Marathi Wikipedia.
Beyond Marathi Wikipedia I have been advocating for Some Unicode typing competions to build public confidance I have spoken with Marathi Abhyas Kendras Mr.Deepak Pawar and Tech Marathii Group also Some organisation need to take lead on this.
I have discussed ceratin ideas with Mr.Rahul Deshmukh fort online typing tutorials for beginners of phonetics as well as inscript .For inscript I have requested Sushant for developing more UTube presentation about exactly where to place the fingures while typing inscript and he has agreed to it.Once these things are ready we can request various medias and educational bodies to incorporate more aspects of Marathi Computer typing in their programmes.
Thanks again in participating in the dscussion
Warm Regards -Mahitgar
From: Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@yahoo.co.in To: Marathi Wikipedia mr-wiki@yahoogroups.com; marathi opensourse MarathiOpenSource@yahoogroups.com; deonagari deonagari@yahoogroups.com; "Wikimedia-IN-PUN@lists.wikimedia.org" Wikimedia-IN-PUN@lists.wikimedia.org; mumbai list wikimedia-in-mum@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Abhay Natu anatu@yahoo.com; Ajay Garg ajaygarg2006@gmail.com; "anand.katikar@gmail.com" anand.katikar@gmail.com; V Narsikar v.narsikar@gmail.com; "bhashapune@gmail.com" bhashapune@gmail.com; PRATIK DIXIT ppdixit@gmail.com; Dr Anand Padhye adpadhye@gmail.com; Sushant Devlekar sushant.devlekar@gmail.com; "head.marathi@bamu.net" head.marathi@bamu.net; "iamharshal@yahoo.com" iamharshal@yahoo.com; "info@pujasoft.net" info@pujasoft.net; "info@vishwakosh.org.in" info@vishwakosh.org.in; Sudhnwa Joglekar sudhanwa.com@gmail.com; Omkar Joshi josh9383@gmail.com; Mandar Kulkarni mvkulkarni23@yahoo.co.uk; Saleel Kulkarni saleelk@gmail.com; Kaustubh Samudra ksamudra@gmail.com; Mandar Kulkarni mvkulkarni23@yahoo.co.uk; Mahitgar From Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@gmail.com; Madhav Shirvalkar mshirvalkar@gmail.com; "msrkiran@gmail.com" msrkiran@gmail.com; shantanu oak shantanu.oak@gmail.com; Subhash Pawar sypawar@gmail.com;
"prabodh1987@gmail.com" prabodh1987@gmail.com; "puremarathi@gmail.com" puremarathi@gmail.com; "rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com" rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com; "rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com" rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com; Rahuldeshmukh101 rahuldeshmukh101@rediffmail.com; "rama@cdacb.ernet.in" rama@cdacb.ernet.in; vishvakosh nirmiti mandal Wai vishwai@yahoo.com; Amit Yadav amityadav8@gmail.com; "santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com" santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com; v padhye v.padhye@gmail.com; "atultulshi@gmail.com" atultulshi@gmail.com; ""Abhishek Suryawanshi"" abhi.surya2020@gmail.com; "harshad.gune@gmail.com" harshad.gune@gmail.com; ""Nikhil Kadadi"" nikhil@techmarathi.com; ""Pallavi Kelkar"" pallavi@techmarathi.com; ""sagar markal"" shree.sagar007@gmail.com; "milind@thebhandarakars.com" milind@thebhandarakars.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 10:49 AM Subject: Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
Dear All
From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested mediawiki technical team to make a phonetic Marathi font transliteration system default for all anonymous users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500 edits just simply because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous users it seems that they usualy do not understand how to enable present optional transliteration system.
the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version available for testing attranslatewiki.net . We have received following reply to our Our technical request which is submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will put the information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate marathi wikipedia community decesion.
Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all of you so this is for your information and discussion .Please keep this discussion in english so non marathi development team members can understand our discussion.
Regards mahitgar
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org" bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org To: mahitgar@yahoo.co.in Sent: Monday, 12 December 2011 12:35 PM Subject: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
--- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com 2011-12-12 07:05:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #0)
Dear All , Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the
google online presentation at
[https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWz-tCvrRg5GaPh5lD_0aPy9CnUmRUVaHcs1...]
Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam extension on Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please see Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E... )
The extension is available at translatewiki.net , and we marked as beta till we get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works
as
expected.
1)Narayam should be default font inputting
system for all unregistered users
and all users for upto 500 edit
We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check the edits count.
- The requested inputting facility should be applicable on all namespaces
including inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and references
This should be ok.
3)Also applicable at edit summary,all search windows,all input boxes specialy "type=create" group
The extension will be enabled in all editable fields.
4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option too as per windows non-default option
Transliteration is the default one.
5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector
We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension supports Vector, Monobook, Modern skins.
- Narayam should be default to above said
user category to New User Creation
and User Login
Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category.
7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to Marathi Wikipedia sysops at local level
No, The extension does not provide this feature.
If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at translatewiki.net, please inform us here. We will enable it in mr wikis in the next i18n deployment.
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