In my opinion the transliteration should not be the
default input method. It should made
available as non default.
Agree wholeheartedly. Inscript is really a very intuitive method of typing Indic
languages. I have been using this for more than six years now and find it so much better
than phonetic typing. As an early adopter, I did have my reservations but within a few
short days/weeks, I was convinced this is the way to go. As for typing complexity,
remember that even the qwerty keyboard took some (or a lot) getting used to the first time
The beauty of Inscript is that it can be used with *any* Indic language. No matter if
you're typing Marathi, Gujarati, Punjabi, Hindi or any other similar language, the
key-bindings remain (almost) the same in all cases. Since this is now supported by most
major operating system out-of-the-box, there's no java-script to load and no other
softwares to slow down your computer. There are many other advantages I can harp on, but I
don't think this is the time or place to do so.
1. Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by
Govt. of India and thus it is our
duty to encourage it's use.
I am not sure I support the do-it-because-govt-says-so line. Inscript stands on its own
merit. GOI makes many stupid decisions and implements many idiotic policies, but endorsing
Inscript is *not* one of them :)
I support making Inscript the default and letting users choose any other input mechanism
that they choose and are willing to work around.
As Shiju and others have suggested, let's put this on w:mr and gauge people's
reactions to see if there are any other points we may be missing.
A poll thereafter should settle this.
2. When we make inscript non default, we are
encouraging people not tto use it.
3. If any one does not know or does not want to
use Inscript, she can use other methods i. e. transliteration etc.
4. There is no standard transliteration scheme
available. All available schemes differ with
each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise decision to make a non standard method
as default. It should be available as non default.
--- On Tue, 12/13/11, Shiju Alex <shiju(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
From: Shiju Alex <shiju(a)wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [mr-wiki] Re: [Wikimedia-IN-PUN] Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on
Cc: "Mailing list for Wikimedians in Pune, India"
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 3:50 AM
I think by default tool is OFF. The end user need to select the option according to
his/her preference. My suggestion is to continue with that option.
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar <sudhanwa.com(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand (and tried on translatewiki), Narayanam gives option of both the methods.
phonetic is the default.
Let people choose whatever they want. Personally, I believe inscript should be used as
default. If we give choices, people will always use the other one.
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Shiju Alex <shiju(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Before making a decision on this, I suggest to conduct a survey among existing Marathi
We cannot enforce a typing scheme on newbies when we are not getting enough contributes to
Marathi wikipedia. Even the latest report shows Marathi wikipedia has just 47 active
contributors. If transliteration is brining in more new users please go for that. If
Inscript is brining in more new users use that. I am not sure how many of the existing
users are using InScript. So make a decision based on the typing habit of existing users
and potential new users.
The aim should be bringing in more Marathi speakers to marathi wiki.
2011/12/13 Saleel Kulkarni <saleelk(a)gmail.com>
I agree with and endorse each of Sushant’s statements.
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Subject: Re: Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
Thanks for this forward.
In my opinion the transliteration should not be the default input method. It should made
available as non default.
1. Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by Govt. of India and thus it is our
duty to encourage it's use.
2. When we make inscript non default, we are encouraging people not tto use it.
3. If any one does not know or does not want to use Inscript, she can use other methods i.
e. transliteration etc.
4. There is no standard transliteration scheme available. All available schemes differ
with each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise decision to make a non standard
method as default. It should be available as non default.
2011/12/13 Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia <mahitgar(a)yahoo.co.in>
From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested
mediawiki technical team to make a phonetic Marathi font transliteration system default
for all anonymous users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500 edits just
simply because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous users it seems that they
usualy do not understand how to enable present optional transliteration system.
the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version available for
testing at translatewiki.net
. We have received following reply to our Our technical
request which is submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will put the
information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate marathi wikipedia
Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all of you so this is
for your information and discussion .Please keep this discussion in english so non marathi
development team members can understand our discussion.
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: "bugzilla-daemon(a)wikimedia.org" <bugzilla-daemon(a)wikimedia.org>
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2011 12:35 PM
Subject: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
--- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal <santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com> 2011-12-12
07:05:32 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #0)
Dear All ,
Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent
Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the google online presentation at
Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam extension on
Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please see
Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/विकिपीडिया:कौल
The extension is available at translatewiki.net
, and we marked as beta till we
get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in
mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works as
1)Narayam should be default font inputting system for
all unregistered users
and all users for upto 500 edit
We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check the
2) The requested inputting facility should be
applicable on all namespaces
including inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and references
This should be ok.
3)Also applicable at edit summary,all search
windows,all input boxes specialy
The extension will be enabled in all editable fields.
4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option
too as per windows
Transliteration is the default one.
5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector
We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension supports Vector,
Monobook, Modern skins.
6. Narayam should be default to above said user
category to New User Creation
and User Login
Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category.
7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to
Marathi Wikipedia sysops at
No, The extension does not provide this feature.
If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at
, please inform us here. We will enable it in mr wikis in the
next i18n deployment.
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