ভাই এই মেইলটা কি বাংলায় লেখা যায় না, খবর টা যেহেতু বাংলাদেশীদের জন্য তাই বাংলা হলে ভাল হয়। আর এই chapter এ ঢুকব কিভাবে? ---------------------------------------------------------- Dedicated Linux Forum in Bangladeshhttp://forums.linuxdesh.com/member.php?action=register&referrer=3%20 Follow Me Twiter https://twitter.com/#%21/AshickunNoor Thank you Md Ashickur Rahman

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Rahman Khan rahman.khan.john@gmail.comwrote:

Please make it Bangla Wikipedia NOT Bengali. Thank you.

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Ragib Hasan ragibhasan@gmail.com wrote:

...

Dear Wikipedians,

I am very pleased to announce our initiative to create an official Bangladesh chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, named Wikimedia Bangladesh. Maybe many of you already know: currently the existence of this chapter is unofficial, but we believe it is time to get an official identity to promote free knowledge all over Bangladesh more efficiently. We have already formed a small work-group to work in this process [1].

Wikimedia Bangladesh will be a non-profit organisation devoted towards promoting Wikipedia and related projects and creating public awareness in Bangladesh.

To kick-start the process, we have contacted the Chapters Committee [2] of the Wikimedia Foundation. We also updated our chapter page [3] on Meta-Wiki [4]. We have also submitted the draft of our Memorandum of Association [5]. Currently the creation of this chapter is under active consideration by the Chapters Committee.

We invite Bangladeshi wikipedians to support the Wikimedia Bangladesh chapter and review the official memorandum of understanding. Please reply in this thread and provide your invaluable feedback.

With regards,

Ragib Hasan User:Ragib on en/bn

Bureaucrat, Bengali Wikipedia Administrator, English Wikipedia

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[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh#Responsibilities [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_committee [3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh [4] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA

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For those who are new to the idea of Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter & its creation process, I would suggest pls go through the meta page of Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter. There you will find details about a Wikimedia Chapter, its purpose & activities, about Wikimedia Bangladesh, steps to follow for formation of the chapter, draft of proposed memorandum of association & other related materials.

We have formally submitted a draft of proposed memorandum of Wikimedia Bangladesh to the Chapter committee & they are reviewing it. Members of the chapter committee & other interested people from different existing chapters are subscribing to wikimedia-bd mailing list for this purpose. Hence, we initiated this thread in English for easier understanding of those who don't know Bangla.

Hope every one is clear regarding the language of this thread. Inviting all to participate actively in this discussion.

Thanks

Ali Haidar Khan Tonmoy

On 5/25/11, Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.com wrote:

@Ashickur,

Please, follow Article II of 'Article of association of Wikimedia Bangladesh Foundation' [1] (proposed) for the details about Membership. (Scroll down a bit and you will find the details.

Thank you.

---

Shabab Mustafa

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shabab

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Md Ashickur Rahman Noor < ashickur.noor@gmail.com> wrote:

...

ভাই এই মেইলটা কি বাংলায় লেখা যায় না, খবর টা যেহেতু বাংলাদেশীদের জন্য তাই বাংলা হলে ভাল হয়। আর এই chapter এ ঢুকব কিভাবে?

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On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Rahman Khan rahman.khan.john@gmail.comwrote:

...

Please make it Bangla Wikipedia NOT Bengali. Thank you.

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Ragib Hasan ragibhasan@gmail.comwrote:

...

Dear Wikipedians,

I am very pleased to announce our initiative to create an official Bangladesh chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, named Wikimedia Bangladesh. Maybe many of you already know: currently the existence of this chapter is unofficial, but we believe it is time to get an official identity to promote free knowledge all over Bangladesh more efficiently. We have already formed a small work-group to work in this process [1].

Wikimedia Bangladesh will be a non-profit organisation devoted towards promoting Wikipedia and related projects and creating public awareness in Bangladesh.

To kick-start the process, we have contacted the Chapters Committee [2] of the Wikimedia Foundation. We also updated our chapter page [3] on Meta-Wiki [4]. We have also submitted the draft of our Memorandum of Association [5]. Currently the creation of this chapter is under active consideration by the Chapters Committee.

We invite Bangladeshi wikipedians to support the Wikimedia Bangladesh chapter and review the official memorandum of understanding. Please reply in this thread and provide your invaluable feedback.

With regards,

Ragib Hasan User:Ragib on en/bn

Bureaucrat, Bengali Wikipedia Administrator, English Wikipedia

--

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh#Responsibilities [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_committee [3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh [4] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA

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I worked for the formation of Wikimedia Bangladesh chapters for several years. Several times I call people to discuss and participate at the chapter formation process. But this time I wonder there is no discussion about the chapter setup committee as well the draft memorandum at the mailing list or at Wikis or at any meetups.

Without any previous discussion with the community and any open call for participation that committee has been formed and announced. Also the proposed memorandum that submitted to the chapter committee without any consent of previously who are involved with the chapter formation process. Though I am active in my Wikimedia activities, without informing me, my name have been erased from the Chapter page at the Meta page. And no one from the self declared Chapter setup committee has contact me on this issue. There is no meetups or online meeting has been called publicly to discussion about this issue. Without knowing people they discussed the issue among themselves and declare the committee and the memorandum at mailing list.

I'd like to request the people who are involved with that tasks, Please be transparent with this process. Call the community to involve and discuss with them. Don't be a part of any collusion without informing people who are worked for and involved with this initiatives for several years. Wikimedia Bangladesh must be a community driven organization, should not be a personal asset.

Regards Belayet

On 26 May 2011 01:37, mak mahayalamkhan@gmail.com wrote:

Dear All,

Can anyone tell us, what was the selection procedure followed, to select the member of executive committee. Have we missed the discussion of forming of the committee in this mailing list?

regards mak_

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:40 PM, tonmoy khan tonmoy.du@gmail.com wrote:

...

For those who are new to the idea of Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter & its creation process, I would suggest pls go through the meta page of Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter. There you will find details about a Wikimedia Chapter, its purpose & activities, about Wikimedia Bangladesh, steps to follow for formation of the chapter, draft of proposed memorandum of association & other related materials.

We have formally submitted a draft of proposed memorandum of Wikimedia Bangladesh to the Chapter committee & they are reviewing it. Members of the chapter committee & other interested people from different existing chapters are subscribing to wikimedia-bd mailing list for this purpose. Hence, we initiated this thread in English for easier understanding of those who don't know Bangla.

Hope every one is clear regarding the language of this thread. Inviting all to participate actively in this discussion.

Thanks

Ali Haidar Khan Tonmoy

On 5/25/11, Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.com wrote:

...

@Ashickur,

Please, follow Article II of 'Article of association of Wikimedia

Bangladesh

...

Foundation' [1] (proposed) for the details about Membership. (Scroll

down a

...

bit and you will find the details.

Thank you.

---

Shabab Mustafa

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shabab

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Md Ashickur Rahman Noor < ashickur.noor@gmail.com> wrote:

...

ভাই এই মেইলটা কি বাংলায় লেখা যায় না, খবর টা যেহেতু বাংলাদেশীদের জন্য

তাই

...

...

বাংলা হলে ভাল হয়। আর এই chapter এ ঢুকব কিভাবে?

Dedicated Linux Forum in Bangladesh<

http://forums.linuxdesh.com/member.php?action=register&referrer=3%20%3E

...

...

Follow Me Twiter https://twitter.com/#%21/AshickunNoor Thank you Md Ashickur Rahman

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Rahman Khan rahman.khan.john@gmail.comwrote:

...

Please make it Bangla Wikipedia NOT Bengali. Thank you.

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Ragib Hasan <ragibhasan@gmail.com

wrote:

...

...

...

Dear Wikipedians,

I am very pleased to announce our initiative to create an official Bangladesh chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, named Wikimedia Bangladesh. Maybe many of you already know: currently the existence

of

...

...

...

...

this chapter is unofficial, but we believe it is time to get an official identity to promote free knowledge all over Bangladesh more efficiently. We have already formed a small work-group to work in

this

...

...

...

...

process [1].

Wikimedia Bangladesh will be a non-profit organisation devoted

towards

...

...

...

...

promoting Wikipedia and related projects and creating public

awareness

...

...

...

...

in Bangladesh.

To kick-start the process, we have contacted the Chapters Committee [2] of the Wikimedia Foundation. We also updated our chapter page [3] on Meta-Wiki [4]. We have also submitted the draft of our Memorandum of Association [5]. Currently the creation of this chapter is under active consideration by the Chapters Committee.

We invite Bangladeshi wikipedians to support the Wikimedia Bangladesh chapter and review the official memorandum of understanding. Please reply in this thread and provide your invaluable feedback.

With regards,

Ragib Hasan User:Ragib on en/bn

Bureaucrat, Bengali Wikipedia Administrator, English Wikipedia

--

[1]

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh#Responsibilities

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...

...

...

[2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_committee [3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh [4] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA

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Like Belayet Bhai and others, I also think that without previous discussion with the community, any committee should not be formed and run. I hope the committee formation process will be transparent as well. All of us should consider seriously this raising issue.

Thanks and regards,

Goutam Roy

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:

belayet,

Your name is still in meta page. Not as a member of the "future board", but as one of the interred people. _____ *Béria Lima*

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* **

2011/5/26 Belayet Hossain bellayet@gmail.com

...

I worked for the formation of Wikimedia Bangladesh chapters for several years. Several times I call people to discuss and participate at the chapter formation process. But this time I wonder there is no discussion about the chapter setup committee as well the draft memorandum at the mailing list or at Wikis or at any meetups.

Without any previous discussion with the community and any open call for participation that committee has been formed and announced. Also the proposed memorandum that submitted to the chapter committee without any consent of previously who are involved with the chapter formation process. Though I am active in my Wikimedia activities, without informing me, my name have been erased from the Chapter page at the Meta page. And no one from the self declared Chapter setup committee has contact me on this issue. There is no meetups or online meeting has been called publicly to discussion about this issue. Without knowing people they discussed the issue among themselves and declare the committee and the memorandum at mailing list.

I'd like to request the people who are involved with that tasks, Please be transparent with this process. Call the community to involve and discuss with them. Don't be a part of any collusion without informing people who are worked for and involved with this initiatives for several years. Wikimedia Bangladesh must be a community driven organization, should not be a personal asset.

Regards Belayet

On 26 May 2011 01:37, mak mahayalamkhan@gmail.com wrote:

...

Dear All,

Can anyone tell us, what was the selection procedure followed, to select the member of executive committee. Have we missed the discussion of forming of the committee in this mailing list?

regards mak_

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:40 PM, tonmoy khan tonmoy.du@gmail.comwrote:

...

For those who are new to the idea of Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter & its creation process, I would suggest pls go through the meta page of Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter. There you will find details about a Wikimedia Chapter, its purpose & activities, about Wikimedia Bangladesh, steps to follow for formation of the chapter, draft of proposed memorandum of association & other related materials.

We have formally submitted a draft of proposed memorandum of Wikimedia Bangladesh to the Chapter committee & they are reviewing it. Members of the chapter committee & other interested people from different existing chapters are subscribing to wikimedia-bd mailing list for this purpose. Hence, we initiated this thread in English for easier understanding of those who don't know Bangla.

Hope every one is clear regarding the language of this thread. Inviting all to participate actively in this discussion.

Thanks

Ali Haidar Khan Tonmoy

On 5/25/11, Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.com wrote:

...

@Ashickur,

Please, follow Article II of 'Article of association of Wikimedia

Bangladesh

...

Foundation' [1] (proposed) for the details about Membership. (Scroll

down a

...

bit and you will find the details.

Thank you.

---

Shabab Mustafa

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shabab

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Md Ashickur Rahman Noor < ashickur.noor@gmail.com> wrote:

...

ভাই এই মেইলটা কি বাংলায় লেখা যায় না, খবর টা যেহেতু বাংলাদেশীদের জন্য

তাই

...

...

বাংলা হলে ভাল হয়। আর এই chapter এ ঢুকব কিভাবে?

Dedicated Linux Forum in Bangladesh<

http://forums.linuxdesh.com/member.php?action=register&referrer=3%20%3E

...

...

Follow Me Twiter https://twitter.com/#%21/AshickunNoor Thank you Md Ashickur Rahman

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Rahman Khan rahman.khan.john@gmail.comwrote:

> Please make it Bangla Wikipedia NOT Bengali. Thank you. > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Ragib Hasan <ragibhasan@gmail.com

wrote:

...

> >> Dear Wikipedians, >> >> I am very pleased to announce our initiative to create an official >> Bangladesh chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, named Wikimedia >> Bangladesh. Maybe many of you already know: currently the existence

of

...

...

>> this chapter is unofficial, but we believe it is time to get an >> official identity to promote free knowledge all over Bangladesh

more

...

...

>> efficiently. We have already formed a small work-group to work in

this

...

...

>> process [1]. >> >> Wikimedia Bangladesh will be a non-profit organisation devoted

towards

...

...

>> promoting Wikipedia and related projects and creating public

awareness

...

...

>> in Bangladesh. >> >> To kick-start the process, we have contacted the Chapters Committee >> [2] of the Wikimedia Foundation. We also updated our chapter page

[3]

...

...

>> on Meta-Wiki [4]. We have also submitted the draft of our

Memorandum

...

...

>> of Association [5]. Currently the creation of this chapter is under >> active consideration by the Chapters Committee. >> >> We invite Bangladeshi wikipedians to support the Wikimedia

Bangladesh

...

...

>> chapter and review the official memorandum of understanding. Please >> reply in this thread and provide your invaluable feedback. >> >> With regards, >> >> Ragib Hasan >> User:Ragib on en/bn >> >> Bureaucrat, Bengali Wikipedia >> Administrator, English Wikipedia >> >> -- >> >> [1]

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh#Responsibilities

...

...

>> [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_committee >> [3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh >> [4] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page >> [5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >> Wikimedia-BD@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-BD mailing list > Wikimedia-BD@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd > >

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Hillel____ If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what am I? If not now, when?

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Dear all,

The discussion about forming a chapter is running for almost two years. We have discussed about that several times in our meet-ups, mailing lists and spent hours in IRC channel. But unfortunately there was no material progress so far. So some active community members formed a small team with interested persons to work more seriously on this and to speed up the process. I think this is how na organization forms including Wikimedia Chapters.

And another thing to clarify to avoid misconceptions, though these signatories are some selected members of the community, they are not the final 'Executive Committee'. These people will just help to form the chapter and will responsible for shaping and preparing the chapter for it's first general election, where members of the community will elect people for their own executive committee. The full process will be a democratic process. In short, this is just an interim committee until the election to carry on the official tasks.

Regards, --- Shabab Mustafa

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shabab

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Goutam Roy gtmroy@gmail.com wrote:

Like Belayet Bhai and others, I also think that without previous discussion with the community, any committee should not be formed and run. I hope the committee formation process will be transparent as well. All of us should consider seriously this raising issue.

Thanks and regards,

Goutam Roy

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:

...

belayet,

Your name is still in meta page. Not as a member of the "future board", but as one of the interred people. _____ *Béria Lima*

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* **

2011/5/26 Belayet Hossain bellayet@gmail.com

...

I worked for the formation of Wikimedia Bangladesh chapters for several years. Several times I call people to discuss and participate at the chapter formation process. But this time I wonder there is no discussion about the chapter setup committee as well the draft memorandum at the mailing list or at Wikis or at any meetups.

Without any previous discussion with the community and any open call for participation that committee has been formed and announced. Also the proposed memorandum that submitted to the chapter committee without any consent of previously who are involved with the chapter formation process. Though I am active in my Wikimedia activities, without informing me, my name have been erased from the Chapter page at the Meta page. And no one from the self declared Chapter setup committee has contact me on this issue. There is no meetups or online meeting has been called publicly to discussion about this issue. Without knowing people they discussed the issue among themselves and declare the committee and the memorandum at mailing list.

I'd like to request the people who are involved with that tasks, Please be transparent with this process. Call the community to involve and discuss with them. Don't be a part of any collusion without informing people who are worked for and involved with this initiatives for several years. Wikimedia Bangladesh must be a community driven organization, should not be a personal asset.

Regards Belayet

On 26 May 2011 01:37, mak mahayalamkhan@gmail.com wrote:

...

Dear All,

Can anyone tell us, what was the selection procedure followed, to select the member of executive committee. Have we missed the discussion of forming of the committee in this mailing list?

regards mak_

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:40 PM, tonmoy khan tonmoy.du@gmail.comwrote:

...

For those who are new to the idea of Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter & its creation process, I would suggest pls go through the meta page of Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter. There you will find details about a Wikimedia Chapter, its purpose & activities, about Wikimedia Bangladesh, steps to follow for formation of the chapter, draft of proposed memorandum of association & other related materials.

We have formally submitted a draft of proposed memorandum of Wikimedia Bangladesh to the Chapter committee & they are reviewing it. Members of the chapter committee & other interested people from different existing chapters are subscribing to wikimedia-bd mailing list for this purpose. Hence, we initiated this thread in English for easier understanding of those who don't know Bangla.

Hope every one is clear regarding the language of this thread. Inviting all to participate actively in this discussion.

Thanks

Ali Haidar Khan Tonmoy

On 5/25/11, Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.com wrote:

...

@Ashickur,

Please, follow Article II of 'Article of association of Wikimedia

Bangladesh

...

Foundation' [1] (proposed) for the details about Membership. (Scroll

down a

...

bit and you will find the details.

Thank you.

---

Shabab Mustafa

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shabab

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Md Ashickur Rahman Noor < ashickur.noor@gmail.com> wrote:

> ভাই এই মেইলটা কি বাংলায় লেখা যায় না, খবর টা যেহেতু বাংলাদেশীদের জন্য

তাই

...

> বাংলা হলে ভাল হয়। আর এই chapter এ ঢুকব কিভাবে? > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Dedicated Linux Forum in > Bangladesh<

http://forums.linuxdesh.com/member.php?action=register&referrer=3%20%3E

...

> Follow Me Twiter https://twitter.com/#%21/AshickunNoor > Thank you > Md Ashickur Rahman > > > > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Rahman Khan > rahman.khan.john@gmail.comwrote: > >> Please make it Bangla Wikipedia NOT Bengali. Thank you. >> >> >> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Ragib Hasan <ragibhasan@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Dear Wikipedians, >>> >>> I am very pleased to announce our initiative to create an official >>> Bangladesh chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, named Wikimedia >>> Bangladesh. Maybe many of you already know: currently the

existence of

...

>>> this chapter is unofficial, but we believe it is time to get an >>> official identity to promote free knowledge all over Bangladesh

more

...

>>> efficiently. We have already formed a small work-group to work in

this

...

>>> process [1]. >>> >>> Wikimedia Bangladesh will be a non-profit organisation devoted

towards

...

>>> promoting Wikipedia and related projects and creating public

awareness

...

>>> in Bangladesh. >>> >>> To kick-start the process, we have contacted the Chapters

Committee

...

>>> [2] of the Wikimedia Foundation. We also updated our chapter page

[3]

...

>>> on Meta-Wiki [4]. We have also submitted the draft of our

Memorandum

...

>>> of Association [5]. Currently the creation of this chapter is

under

...

>>> active consideration by the Chapters Committee. >>> >>> We invite Bangladeshi wikipedians to support the Wikimedia

Bangladesh

...

>>> chapter and review the official memorandum of understanding.

Please

...

>>> reply in this thread and provide your invaluable feedback. >>> >>> With regards, >>> >>> Ragib Hasan >>> User:Ragib on en/bn >>> >>> Bureaucrat, Bengali Wikipedia >>> Administrator, English Wikipedia >>> >>> -- >>> >>> [1]

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh#Responsibilities

...

>>> [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_committee >>> [3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh >>> [4] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page >>> [5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >>> Wikimedia-BD@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >> Wikimedia-BD@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-BD mailing list > Wikimedia-BD@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd > >

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Dear MAK,

I do not understand your point!!! Would you please clarify?

Since, the Article is now drafted and is being published. So, if anybody has any point, he/she can asked for any change. There is no harm! The team (which i am also a part) did this because, as Shabab explain, we discuss lot of times but nobody drafted the documents. So, this team drafted this.

We can discuss on the issues related to chapters.

And, the name in the list, is an interim one, once the chapter formed, then the membership will be open up for all wikipedians and in first general meeting they can formed their committee.

Is not it standard practice of all organization?

So, I think we should discuss how we can start the chapter quickly and definitely with a good AoA/MoA in hand.

Hope, we will all do that.

Best wishes

Munir

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:17 PM, mak mahayalamkhan@gmail.com wrote:

Shabab,

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.comwrote:

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[... snipped.....]

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So some active community members formed a small team with interested persons to work more seriously on this and to speed up the process.

Are you sure, active community members formed that small team and no interested persons were refrained to contribute.

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Hi

I want to clarify that there is no such rule that a chapter has to be made up of the most active contributors to a single project, to the contrary, I can point to several chapters who were formed by semi-active editors, some who barely ever edited. There are also instances, when active community members have no idea that someone from their country is forming or has formed a chapter.

I am not familiar with the circumstances of this case, but by your own logic, would someone with the highest edit count (the person you mentioned has 2nd highest) or 'crat rights have more entitlement to form the chapter?

It's about doing the work, the page on Meta has been there for a couple of years, there were ample opportunity to actually do the work and form the chapter, no one did. Now, that someone took the initiative and did the work, you are blaming them for not consulting the people who didn't finish it before, seems odd.

Theo10011

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:53 PM, mak mahayalamkhan@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Munir bhai, Thanks you asked. Let me go to the point straight.

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Munir Hasan munir.hasan@bdosn.orgwrote:

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Dear MAK,

I do not understand your point!!! Would you please clarify?

Since, the Article is now drafted and is being published. So, if anybody has any point, he/she can asked for any change. There is no harm! The team (which i am also a part) did this because, as Shabab explain, we discuss lot of times but nobody drafted the documents. So, this team drafted this.

We can discuss on the issues related to chapters.

And, the name in the list, is an interim one, once the chapter formed, then the membership will be open up for all wikipedians and in first general meeting they can formed their committee.

Mr. Belayet Hossain[1] a sysop with the 2nd highest[2] edit count in Bengali Wikipedia, one of the two moderator of this list, 3 times Wikimania attendee and an active offline wiki campaigner[3] have had took initiatives for Bangladesh Chapter, why you are not mentioning that? The ChapCom members should know that. Why he is not in the interim committee. Has he denied to be in there. He said in his post in this thread that he was not even informed.

If this interim committee felt from their gut that they should start the process, they should have contacted and asked to join.

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Is not it standard practice of all organization?

This might be the practice in Bangladesh, but not for the Open Source and Open standard groups through out the world. At least the groups (Fedora, LibreOffice, GNOME etc.) I'm member don't follow any procedure of so called startup-team formed behind veil.

[http://bit.ly/kOvS1Q] [http://toolserver.org/~vvv/yaec.php?user=bellayet&wiki=bnwiki_p] [http://bellayet.wordpress.com/]

Dear ChapCom members, please go through belayet's blog and you'll find if he deserve something or not.

Have a nice day mak_

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So, I think we should discuss how we can start the chapter quickly and definitely with a good AoA/MoA in hand.

Hope, we will all do that.

...

Best wishes

Munir

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:17 PM, mak mahayalamkhan@gmail.com wrote:

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Shabab,

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Shabab Mustafa < shabab.mustafa@gmail.com> wrote:

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[... snipped.....]

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So some active community members formed a small team with interested persons to work more seriously on this and to speed up the process.

Are you sure, active community members formed that small team and no interested persons were refrained to contribute.

[... snipped....]

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First of all, I want to make it clear that I'm speaking only for myself, not for the Chapters committee, Wikimedia Nederland, the Wikimedia Foundation, or for any of my other roles[0].

I support the efforts of the current chapter creation group to kickstart the long-awaited Bangladeshi chapter. They've done a lot of great work, and although some people may feel left out, I'll note (as others have) that this is just an initial group to get things off the ground.

I'm glad that public discussion is happening now, and hope people will bring up any specific concerns they have that need to be addressed before chapter recognition and the first general meeting.

Cheers,

Austin

[0] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Austin

Dear everyone,

I want to clear few things myself. As Shabab bhai said earlier, we have been trying to form our local chapter for almost two years. If I remember that correctly, last time, we have discussed that in October 2009. We met in our fifth Dhaka meet-up [1]. We discussed about forming the chapter there, we participated in many IRC meetings on #wikimedia-bd channel. I, myself was in that process. We talked about preparing the MoA, and some necessary stuffs to create the chapter. We did not discuss about chapter set-up committee in our mailing list that time either. We created the team with the persons who participated in that meet-up. We just assumed good faith that those people who attended in that meet-up, and sacrificed their money and time, were the really interested ones. But unfortunately that effort did not work.

But this time, we have given this process a real kick-start at least, and what we really did here? We just formed a little team of interested persons to work in this process. If any of you think this team is the so called “authority”, then no, it's clearly not like that. As everybody said here, real authority will be elected by the community members. And as of now, we have done only two things:

a) We have prepared the “draft” Memorandum of Association of our organization. b) We contacted to chapters committee, and told them we are interested to form the chapter this time. This is just one step ahead; we stepped up to planned chapter from a chapter in discussion phase [2].

None of them is no big deal. Actually, this is some boring paper works. And very few people are interested in this kind of stuffs.

And if you are thinking about autocracy, then I have to say, every chapter or organization has an approved bylaws (for any legal purpose), and every member of that organization (including office bearers and board members) have to maintain that. This is not optional. It's obvious.

As Tonmoy bhai and Austin has said above, I think you all better discuss here about the only real ting we have really done so far, the bylaws. If you have any disagreement or comment or just a wishful feedback on that, please share this here with us.

Regards,

I'd like to thank Nasir, he mentioned we altogether tried before to form the chapter. I don't agree to use the term "failed" with the initiative that we all have taken before. We wanted to inform and aware about the need and importance of a Chapter, and we tried with our various efforts. Now we can see our results, lots of people are coming forward to take the flag ahead.

At the meta page the status of the memorandum is set as "Done". Is that is for the draft is done or the memorandum is final? And some signatories said that the memorandum has been sent to the ChapCom for review. If the draft is done but not finalize then there is scope of discussion and change. But if it is final and submitted to the ChapCom, is it possible to discuss about it and change it? If people want to comment on the clauses, how they should approach? Should they discuss it at the mailing list or ask to the signatories or discuss it at the talk page of the memorandum page?

Previously I encourage peoples to be a part of the Chapter. Some of them are still active who really feeling left out. They don't have interest for any post at the executive board of the Chapter. Since they worked hard for the chapter and has feelings and soft corner for this. Couple of them shown interest to be a signatory and asked how would they do it. Is there any way to include active people worked for the chapter at the signatories list? Should they apply to the existing signatories or should they edit the wiki pages and include their names by their own. Or if they express their interest to the mailing list, is it possible to include them to the list?

Our future can be bright. Let's make it together.

Belayet

On 27 May 2011 02:55, nasir khan nasir8891@gmail.com wrote:

Dear all,

When i was reading the previous posts i found that some of you are interpreting this step in different ways. As Bellayet bhai, Tanvir and some others mentioned that we have tried before to form the chapter. I was involved there, and those times we first announced that we were going to form a chapter. Then initially a large number of people showed their interest. We made the plans and discuss on it but unfortunately the initiative was failed.

This one is one of the reasons to work primarily in a closed group. And here we (the signatories of MoA) just made a draft Memorandum of Association of our organization and then announcing that, the process has started and every one should join now. The only difference is here the announcement has came when the draft bylaws is ready and previously the announcement and discussion was the only step.

Now there are a lots of tasks to do. like the draft of MoA could be reviewed, plans have to made that what events could be done after the approval and so on. If someone thought that some of us just made a team and declaring that we have all the powers, then it will be wrong. We just tried to start the process only and as mentioned int he MoA the formal executive committee will be elected in a transparent process.

regards

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On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Tanvir Rahman wikitanvir@gmail.comwrote:

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Dear everyone,

I want to clear few things myself. As Shabab bhai said earlier, we have been trying to form our local chapter for almost two years. If I remember that correctly, last time, we have discussed that in October 2009. We met in our fifth Dhaka meet-up [1]. We discussed about forming the chapter there, we participated in many IRC meetings on #wikimedia-bd channel. I, myself was in that process. We talked about preparing the MoA, and some necessary stuffs to create the chapter. We did not discuss about chapter set-up committee in our mailing list that time either. We created the team with the persons who participated in that meet-up. We just assumed good faith that those people who attended in that meet-up, and sacrificed their money and time, were the really interested ones. But unfortunately that effort did not work.

But this time, we have given this process a real kick-start at least, and what we really did here? We just formed a little team of interested persons to work in this process. If any of you think this team is the so called “authority”, then no, it's clearly not like that. As everybody said here, real authority will be elected by the community members. And as of now, we have done only two things:

a) We have prepared the “draft” Memorandum of Association of our organization. b) We contacted to chapters committee, and told them we are interested to form the chapter this time. This is just one step ahead; we stepped up to planned chapter from a chapter in discussion phase [2].

None of them is no big deal. Actually, this is some boring paper works. And very few people are interested in this kind of stuffs.

And if you are thinking about autocracy, then I have to say, every chapter or organization has an approved bylaws (for any legal purpose), and every member of that organization (including office bearers and board members) have to maintain that. This is not optional. It's obvious.

As Tonmoy bhai and Austin has said above, I think you all better discuss here about the only real ting we have really done so far, the bylaws. If you have any disagreement or comment or just a wishful feedback on that, please share this here with us.

Regards,

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Thank you Shabab for the clarification.

Indeed, we discuss a lot but without a material progress. however, that is also a part of forming any organization. People have to discuss a lot and then some of then took the pain of doing some material things and bring them beck to the discussion.

I hope the discussion of having a good chapter will continue for the betterment of our community.

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.comwrote:

Dear all,

The discussion about forming a chapter is running for almost two years. We have discussed about that several times in our meet-ups, mailing lists and spent hours in IRC channel. But unfortunately there was no material progress so far. So some active community members formed a small team with interested persons to work more seriously on this and to speed up the process. I think this is how na organization forms including Wikimedia Chapters.

And another thing to clarify to avoid misconceptions, though these signatories are some selected members of the community, they are not the final 'Executive Committee'. These people will just help to form the chapter and will responsible for shaping and preparing the chapter for it's first general election, where members of the community will elect people for their own executive committee. The full process will be a democratic process. In short, this is just an interim committee until the election to carry on the official tasks.

Regards,

Shabab Mustafa

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shabab

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Goutam Roy gtmroy@gmail.com wrote:

...

Like Belayet Bhai and others, I also think that without previous discussion with the community, any committee should not be formed and run. I hope the committee formation process will be transparent as well. All of us should consider seriously this raising issue.

Thanks and regards,

Goutam Roy

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:

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belayet,

Your name is still in meta page. Not as a member of the "future board", but as one of the interred people. _____ *Béria Lima*

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* **

2011/5/26 Belayet Hossain bellayet@gmail.com

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I worked for the formation of Wikimedia Bangladesh chapters for several years. Several times I call people to discuss and participate at the chapter formation process. But this time I wonder there is no discussion about the chapter setup committee as well the draft memorandum at the mailing list or at Wikis or at any meetups.

Without any previous discussion with the community and any open call for participation that committee has been formed and announced. Also the proposed memorandum that submitted to the chapter committee without any consent of previously who are involved with the chapter formation process. Though I am active in my Wikimedia activities, without informing me, my name have been erased from the Chapter page at the Meta page. And no one from the self declared Chapter setup committee has contact me on this issue. There is no meetups or online meeting has been called publicly to discussion about this issue. Without knowing people they discussed the issue among themselves and declare the committee and the memorandum at mailing list.

I'd like to request the people who are involved with that tasks, Please be transparent with this process. Call the community to involve and discuss with them. Don't be a part of any collusion without informing people who are worked for and involved with this initiatives for several years. Wikimedia Bangladesh must be a community driven organization, should not be a personal asset.

Regards Belayet

On 26 May 2011 01:37, mak mahayalamkhan@gmail.com wrote:

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Dear All,

Can anyone tell us, what was the selection procedure followed, to select the member of executive committee. Have we missed the discussion of forming of the committee in this mailing list?

regards mak_

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:40 PM, tonmoy khan tonmoy.du@gmail.comwrote:

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For those who are new to the idea of Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter & its creation process, I would suggest pls go through the meta page of Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter. There you will find details about a Wikimedia Chapter, its purpose & activities, about Wikimedia Bangladesh, steps to follow for formation of the chapter, draft of proposed memorandum of association & other related materials.

We have formally submitted a draft of proposed memorandum of Wikimedia Bangladesh to the Chapter committee & they are reviewing it. Members of the chapter committee & other interested people from different existing chapters are subscribing to wikimedia-bd mailing list for this purpose. Hence, we initiated this thread in English for easier understanding of those who don't know Bangla.

Hope every one is clear regarding the language of this thread. Inviting all to participate actively in this discussion.

Thanks

Ali Haidar Khan Tonmoy

On 5/25/11, Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.com wrote: > @Ashickur, > > Please, follow Article II of 'Article of association of Wikimedia Bangladesh > Foundation' [1] (proposed) for the details about Membership. (Scroll down a > bit and you will find the details. > > Thank you. > > --- > Shabab Mustafa > > [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shabab > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Md Ashickur Rahman Noor < > ashickur.noor@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ভাই এই মেইলটা কি বাংলায় লেখা যায় না, খবর টা যেহেতু বাংলাদেশীদের জন্য তাই >> বাংলা হলে ভাল হয়। আর এই chapter এ ঢুকব কিভাবে? >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> Dedicated Linux Forum in >> Bangladesh< http://forums.linuxdesh.com/member.php?action=register&referrer=3%20%3E >> Follow Me Twiter https://twitter.com/#%21/AshickunNoor >> Thank you >> Md Ashickur Rahman >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Rahman Khan >> rahman.khan.john@gmail.comwrote: >> >>> Please make it Bangla Wikipedia NOT Bengali. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Ragib Hasan < ragibhasan@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Wikipedians, >>>> >>>> I am very pleased to announce our initiative to create an official >>>> Bangladesh chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, named Wikimedia >>>> Bangladesh. Maybe many of you already know: currently the existence of >>>> this chapter is unofficial, but we believe it is time to get an >>>> official identity to promote free knowledge all over Bangladesh more >>>> efficiently. We have already formed a small work-group to work in this >>>> process [1]. >>>> >>>> Wikimedia Bangladesh will be a non-profit organisation devoted towards >>>> promoting Wikipedia and related projects and creating public awareness >>>> in Bangladesh. >>>> >>>> To kick-start the process, we have contacted the Chapters Committee >>>> [2] of the Wikimedia Foundation. We also updated our chapter page [3] >>>> on Meta-Wiki [4]. We have also submitted the draft of our Memorandum >>>> of Association [5]. Currently the creation of this chapter is under >>>> active consideration by the Chapters Committee. >>>> >>>> We invite Bangladeshi wikipedians to support the Wikimedia Bangladesh >>>> chapter and review the official memorandum of understanding. Please >>>> reply in this thread and provide your invaluable feedback. >>>> >>>> With regards, >>>> >>>> Ragib Hasan >>>> User:Ragib on en/bn >>>> >>>> Bureaucrat, Bengali Wikipedia >>>> Administrator, English Wikipedia >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh#Responsibilities >>>> [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_committee >>>> [3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh >>>> [4] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page >>>> [5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >>>> Wikimedia-BD@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >>> Wikimedia-BD@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >> Wikimedia-BD@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >> >> >

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Sorry MAK,

I didn't mean that. What I said is simple, there are always lot of people (including myself!) who discuss and a small team who translate the discussion in the words!

Why don't you check the draft and identify the clauses that's needs to be change and modified!

Now, we have something to discuss and to finalize. Is not it a good mid-point start???

Hope this clarifies you.

MH

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:36 PM, mak mahayalamkhan@gmail.com wrote:

Dear All,

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Munir Hasan munir.hasan@bdosn.orgwrote:

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Thank you Shabab for the clarification.

Indeed, we discuss a lot but without a material progress. however, that is also a part of forming any organization. People have to discuss a lot and then some of then took the pain of doing some material things and bring them beck to the discussion.

This is not the first initiative to achieve material progress, some of us have ignored previous initiatives, might have been busy then. Don't just say nobody tried.

If you are pointing me as "The people" only discuss and don't take any pain. I don't want to list my deeds here to prove you incorrect, I feel pity for some of the deserving community members - who are being crucified now.

If the ChapCom members (currently subscribed to this list) don't have the time to digg (list archives, blogs, edit counts) for meritocracy and going to listen to autocracy - "The people" should go away from this community.

have a nice day. mak_

...

I hope the discussion of having a good chapter will continue for the betterment of our community.

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Shabab Mustafa <shabab.mustafa@gmail.com

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wrote:

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Dear all,

The discussion about forming a chapter is running for almost two years. We have discussed about that several times in our meet-ups, mailing lists and spent hours in IRC channel. But unfortunately there was no material progress so far. So some active community members formed a small team with interested persons to work more seriously on this and to speed up the process. I think this is how na organization forms including Wikimedia Chapters.

And another thing to clarify to avoid misconceptions, though these signatories are some selected members of the community, they are not the final 'Executive Committee'. These people will just help to form the chapter and will responsible for shaping and preparing the chapter for it's first general election, where members of the community will elect people for their own executive committee. The full process will be a democratic process. In short, this is just an interim committee until the election to carry on the official tasks.

Regards,

Shabab Mustafa

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shabab

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Goutam Roy gtmroy@gmail.com wrote:

...

Like Belayet Bhai and others, I also think that without previous discussion with the community, any committee should not be formed and run. I hope the committee formation process will be transparent as well. All of us should consider seriously this raising issue.

Thanks and regards,

Goutam Roy

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.comwrote:

...

belayet,

Your name is still in meta page. Not as a member of the "future board", but as one of the interred people. _____ *Béria Lima*

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* **

2011/5/26 Belayet Hossain bellayet@gmail.com

...

I worked for the formation of Wikimedia Bangladesh chapters for several years. Several times I call people to discuss and participate at the chapter formation process. But this time I wonder there is no discussion about the chapter setup committee as well the draft memorandum at the mailing list or at Wikis or at any meetups.

Without any previous discussion with the community and any open call for participation that committee has been formed and announced. Also the proposed memorandum that submitted to the chapter committee without any consent of previously who are involved with the chapter formation process. Though I am active in my Wikimedia activities, without informing me, my name have been erased from the Chapter page at the Meta page. And no one from the self declared Chapter setup committee has contact me on this issue. There is no meetups or online meeting has been called publicly to discussion about this issue. Without knowing people they discussed the issue among themselves and declare the committee and the memorandum at mailing list.

I'd like to request the people who are involved with that tasks, Please be transparent with this process. Call the community to involve and discuss with them. Don't be a part of any collusion without informing people who are worked for and involved with this initiatives for several years. Wikimedia Bangladesh must be a community driven organization, should not be a personal asset.

Regards Belayet

On 26 May 2011 01:37, mak mahayalamkhan@gmail.com wrote:

> Dear All, > > Can anyone tell us, what was the selection procedure followed, to > select the member of executive committee. Have we missed the discussion of > forming of the committee in this mailing list? > > regards > mak_ > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:40 PM, tonmoy khan tonmoy.du@gmail.comwrote: > >> For those who are new to the idea of Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter & >> its creation process, I would suggest pls go through the meta page >> of >> Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter. There you will find details about a >> Wikimedia Chapter, its purpose & activities, about Wikimedia >> Bangladesh, steps to follow for formation of the chapter, draft of >> proposed memorandum of association & other related materials. >> >> We have formally submitted a draft of proposed memorandum of >> Wikimedia >> Bangladesh to the Chapter committee & they are reviewing it. Members >> of the chapter committee & other interested people from different >> existing chapters are subscribing to wikimedia-bd mailing list for >> this purpose. Hence, we initiated this thread in English for easier >> understanding of those who don't know Bangla. >> >> Hope every one is clear regarding the language of this thread. >> Inviting all to participate actively in this discussion. >> >> Thanks >> >> Ali Haidar Khan Tonmoy >> >> On 5/25/11, Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.com wrote: >> > @Ashickur, >> > >> > Please, follow Article II of 'Article of association of Wikimedia >> Bangladesh >> > Foundation' [1] (proposed) for the details about Membership. >> (Scroll down a >> > bit and you will find the details. >> > >> > Thank you. >> > >> > --- >> > Shabab Mustafa >> > >> > [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA >> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shabab >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Md Ashickur Rahman Noor < >> > ashickur.noor@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> ভাই এই মেইলটা কি বাংলায় লেখা যায় না, খবর টা যেহেতু বাংলাদেশীদের >> জন্য তাই >> >> বাংলা হলে ভাল হয়। আর এই chapter এ ঢুকব কিভাবে? >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Dedicated Linux Forum in >> >> Bangladesh< >> http://forums.linuxdesh.com/member.php?action=register&referrer=3%20 >> > >> >> Follow Me Twiter https://twitter.com/#%21/AshickunNoor >> >> Thank you >> >> Md Ashickur Rahman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Rahman Khan >> >> rahman.khan.john@gmail.comwrote: >> >> >> >>> Please make it Bangla Wikipedia NOT Bengali. Thank you. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Ragib Hasan < >> ragibhasan@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Dear Wikipedians, >> >>>> >> >>>> I am very pleased to announce our initiative to create an >> official >> >>>> Bangladesh chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, named Wikimedia >> >>>> Bangladesh. Maybe many of you already know: currently the >> existence of >> >>>> this chapter is unofficial, but we believe it is time to get an >> >>>> official identity to promote free knowledge all over Bangladesh >> more >> >>>> efficiently. We have already formed a small work-group to work >> in this >> >>>> process [1]. >> >>>> >> >>>> Wikimedia Bangladesh will be a non-profit organisation devoted >> towards >> >>>> promoting Wikipedia and related projects and creating public >> awareness >> >>>> in Bangladesh. >> >>>> >> >>>> To kick-start the process, we have contacted the Chapters >> Committee >> >>>> [2] of the Wikimedia Foundation. We also updated our chapter >> page [3] >> >>>> on Meta-Wiki [4]. We have also submitted the draft of our >> Memorandum >> >>>> of Association [5]. Currently the creation of this chapter is >> under >> >>>> active consideration by the Chapters Committee. >> >>>> >> >>>> We invite Bangladeshi wikipedians to support the Wikimedia >> Bangladesh >> >>>> chapter and review the official memorandum of understanding. >> Please >> >>>> reply in this thread and provide your invaluable feedback. >> >>>> >> >>>> With regards, >> >>>> >> >>>> Ragib Hasan >> >>>> User:Ragib on en/bn >> >>>> >> >>>> Bureaucrat, Bengali Wikipedia >> >>>> Administrator, English Wikipedia >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> >> >>>> [1] >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh#Responsibilities >> >>>> [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_committee >> >>>> [3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh >> >>>> [4] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page >> >>>> [5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >> >>>> Wikimedia-BD@lists.wikimedia.org >> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >> >>> Wikimedia-BD@lists.wikimedia.org >> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >> >> Wikimedia-BD@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-BD mailing list >> Wikimedia-BD@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-BD mailing list > Wikimedia-BD@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-bd > >

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Dear all,

we are getting more emails about the formation of wikiBD chapter. well ! it's looking very good to us who are the watchers of your initiative. But we believe there is a partial decisions and collaboration with the initiative where some of the dedicated members of wiki are not involved, even not well informed. It's not clear to us why mutual understanding is not coming and respecting regarding this initiative. Though its formal or informal or small or such words you used here doesn't matter but collective participation and understanding are the subject of discussing issue. though wikibd couldn't success in past to form a local chapter but they tried. So they cant be neglected rather then appreciation!!

We hope and believe to remove the misunderstanding and to open frank participation, wikiBD formers should initiate the way out for all by the mutual understanding and participation through a specific guideline. if u have any query plz feel free to ask.

thanks, all the best, tariq

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From: Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-BD] Formation of Wikimedia Bangladesh - (local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation) To: "Discussion list for Bangladeshi Wikimedians" wikimedia-bd@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sunday, 5 June, 2011, 3:02 AM

Dear Anwar,

Please, keep private mails private. There is no need to post private mail in a public list. We are discussing serious matter in this thread.

Thanks for your understanding.

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On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:48 PM, anwar mostofaanwar@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Ragib bhai We would be greatly delighted if you would come back to Bangladesh and serve our country. Like dedicated Professor Kaykobad Sir & Zafar Iqbal of SUST could you not work for Bangladesh ? In Bangladesh, we are missing quality teachers like you.

So, please change your decision to join in US university/Research Org or US Programming Company and come back to Bangladesh.  Thanks Mostafa

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Ragib Hasan ragibhasan@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Wikipedians,

I am very pleased to announce our initiative to create an official

Bangladesh chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, named Wikimedia

Bangladesh. Maybe many of you already know: currently the existence of

this chapter is unofficial, but we believe it is time to get an

official identity to promote free knowledge all over Bangladesh more

efficiently. We have already formed a small work-group to work in this

process [1].

Wikimedia Bangladesh will be a non-profit organisation devoted towards

promoting Wikipedia and related projects and creating public awareness

in Bangladesh.

To kick-start the process, we have contacted the Chapters Committee

[2] of the Wikimedia Foundation. We also updated our chapter page [3]

on Meta-Wiki [4]. We have also submitted the draft of our Memorandum

of Association [5]. Currently the creation of this chapter is under

active consideration by the Chapters Committee.

We invite Bangladeshi wikipedians to support the Wikimedia Bangladesh

chapter and review the official memorandum of understanding. Please

reply in this thread and provide your invaluable feedback.

With regards,

Ragib Hasan

User:Ragib on en/bn

Bureaucrat, Bengali Wikipedia

Administrator, English Wikipedia

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[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh#Responsibilities

[2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_committee

[3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh

[4] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA

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