FYI
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From: Steven Walling <swalling(a)wikimedia.org>
Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:38 AM
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Updating the typography on all Wikimedia sites
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Hi all,
I wanted to give people an extra notice that we're updating the default
typography across all Wikimedia sites, for users of the Vector skin. This
was mentioned in the last Tech News edition that goes out to all local
wikis, and also announced by our Release Manager, Greg Grossmeier, as part
of the software deployment roadmap.
This will happen in the following order:
1. Test wikis and mediawiki.org tomorrow. That's Thursday, March 27th.
2. Non-Wikipedia projects on Tuesday, April 1th.
3. All Wikipedias on Thursday April 3rd.
If people have questions, there is a summary of the changes and an
extensive FAQ at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Typography_refresh. There
will also be a post at blog.wikimedia.org tomorrow morning.
For a bit more backstory, this is the first time we're graduating something
from the opt-in "beta features" framework to the stable version of
Wikimedia sites. This has been in beta for desktop users since November
2013,[1] and has been tested by more than 10,000 registered users across
Wikimedia communities.
Thanks to the many editors and readers who took time to send us comments or
questions. This feature went through several major iterations based on
community feedback -- there were 100+ discussion threads on the Talk page,
in addition to mailing list discussions. We're really lucky to have so many
Wikimedians willing to get their hands dirty when it comes to the dark art
of web typography. ;-) Congrats to the designers, engineers, and others who
volunteered their time to help make this ready to release as new default
typography.
P.S. Apologies for cross-posting this and spamming your inbox, if you're
also on wikitech-l or other technical mailing lists.
1. https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/11/07/introducing-beta-features/
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I am changing the subject title to keep this discussion under correct
heading.
This very thing has bugged me for a long time and I gave it some more
intense thoughts and a little research. Here I am not trying to preach
about what is 'Right' and what is 'Wrong', rather I am just presenting
facts I have discovered and what are my thought on this matter for further
discussion. I will try to keep it as short as possible.
According to the Eighth Amendment of the constitution of Peoples Republic
of Bangladesh, Section 3 reads, "The state language of the Republic is
Bangla"[1]. So, it's clear that Bangladesh has officially declared the
language should be spelled as 'Bangla'. And we are bound to use 'Bangla' as
every official documents and so on.
Bangla is not only spoken in Bangladesh. Bangla is also spoken in least 3
major regions; West Bengal, Tripura, Assam (Barak valley), Andaman and
Nicobar Islands. [2] There is a lot of other people around the world also
speaks Bangla as well.
When we are talking about Bangla in Bangladesh, it's fairly simple. But it
have an international context, situation is different.
ISO (International Organization of Standardization)[3] is the body
responsible for setting international standards. People follow ISO
standards on International matters regardless of their domestic practice
(i.e. some countries use 'Mile' as domestic unit of length, but also use
'Kilometer' when international matters involved) and this is the commonly
accepted manner.
ISO has set up a list of language and their universal codes for it, which
are widely accepted by the UN countries. On 'ISO 639-1' standards[4] a
two-letter code was adopted and 'ISO 639-2' [5] adopted a three-letter
code. For 'Bengali' which are 'bn' and 'ben' respectively. [6]
On this coding system, some language have had initials of their original
form/spelling of their language. Like, Persian. 'Persian' is the English
name of 'Farsi'. Persian has language codes like 'fa' and 'far'. On 'ISO
639-2/T' it adopted the three letters from the English name of the
Language, 'per'. Same thing happened to German and French ('German',
'Deutsch', 'de', 'deu', 'ger' and 'French', 'français', 'fr', 'fra','fre').
[6]
These ISO codes are also widely used on field of IT. Systems recognize
languages with their English names than their native names. This is mainly
because of that a non 'German' speaker doesn't wonder about what 'Deutsch'
is. This rule was applied universally for all the languages. And under this
rule, 'Bangla' became 'Bengali', just like 'Français' became 'French'.
So, the thing is, when we are using 'Bangla' for our domestic use, 'Bangla'
is the correct (bound by the constitution) spelling for 'Bangla'. But when
we are talking international matters, it should be 'Bengali' for more
practical and logical reasons.
Ref:
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[1]
http://bdlaws.minlaw.gov.bd/sections_detail.php?id=367§ions_id=24550
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_language
[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Organization_for_Standardization
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-1
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-2
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
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Shabab Mustafa
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Aditya <aditya(a)asiaticjwt.com> wrote:
> i also support that view. "bangla", not "bengali".
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <rahman.khan.john(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:03 PM
> To: "Discussion list for Bangladeshi Wikimedians" <
> wikimedia-bd(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-BD] A good news about Bengali Wikipedia
>
> Can we please mention 'bangla' instead of 'bengali' ?
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Safwan Rahman
>> Sent: 23/01/2014, 13:04
>> To: Discussion list for Bangladeshi Wikimedians
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-BD] A good news about Bengali Wikipedia
>>
>>
>> How they have collected the data and made the statistics?
>>
>> On 1/23/14, Nurunnaby Chowdhury <nh(a)nhasive.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Belayet Bhai,
>>> Times of India published this news. Check this link:
>>> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2014-01-20/
>>> internet/46374197_1_google-page-views-page-views
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014/1/22 Belayet Hossain <bellayet(a)gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Hasive,
>>>> Thank you for your news at prothom alo. Please give us the original
>>>> reference of that statistics or facts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Belayet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014/1/22 Nurunnaby Chowdhury <nh(a)nhasive.com>
>>>>
>>>> প্রিয় সবাই,
>>>>> একটা ভালো খবর..
>>>>> ২০১২ সালের ডিসেম্বর থেকে ২০১৩ সালের ডিসেম্বর পর্যন্ত পাওয়া তথ্য অনুযায়ী
>>>>> এক বছরে বাংলা উইকিপিডিয়ার ব্যবহার বেড়েছে ৪৬ শতাংশ। বাংলার পাশাপাশি
>>>>> উইকিপিডিয়ার হিন্দি সংস্করণের ব্যবহার ৩৪ শতাংশ, মালায়ালাম সংস্করণ ৩৬
>>>>> শতাংশ,
>>>>> মারাঠি সংস্করণ ৪ শতাংশ এবং তেলেগু ১ শতাংশ বেড়েছে। এ নিয়ে আজ প্রথম আলোতে
>>>>> প্রকাশিত সংবাদ:
>>>>>
>>>>> *বাংলা উইকিপিডিয়ার ব্যবহার
>>>>> বেড়েছে*<http://www.prothom-alo.com/technology/article/128638>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive*
>>>>> Administrator | Bangla
>>>>> Wikipedia<http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive>
>>>>> Social Media Interaction Expert &
>>>>> Assignment Reporter | The Daily Prothom-Alo <
>>>>> http://www.prothom-alo.com>
>>>>> Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Foundation Network
>>>>> <http://www.okfn.org>
>>>>> Treasurer | Bangladesh Open Source Network (BdOSN)
>>>>> <http://www.bdosn.org>
>>>>> fb.com/nhasive | @nhasive <http://www.twitter.com/nhasive> | Skype:
>>>>> nhasive | www.nhasive.com
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Belayet Hossain
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/bellayet <http://www.facebook.com/bellayet>
>>>> https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:bellayet<http://bn.
>>>> wikipedia.org/wiki/user:bellayet>
>>>> https://reps.mozilla.org
>>>> /u/bellayet<https://reps.mozilla.org/u/bellayet/>
>>>> http://twitter.com/bellayet
>>>> http://mozillianbd.wordpress.com
>>>> http://bellayet.wordpress.com (Bangla)
>>>> Knowledge is universal
>>>> ...so share it.
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>>> <http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive>
>>> Social Media Interaction Expert &
>>> Assignment Reporter | The Daily Prothom-Alo <http://www.prothom-alo.com>
>>> Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Foundation Network
>>> <http://www.okfn.org>
>>> Treasurer | Bangladesh Open Source Network (BdOSN) <http://www.bdosn.org
>>> >
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