Hi all
As I remembered that in the Berlin conference this year there is a barcamp section on regional coopertation stuff, right?
I wonder if anyone learn anything worth to share to the list and moreover anyone managed to speak there?
Hello,
I remembered that the session is prepared by the 2 representatives from Wikimeida Philippines. As not all of us attended that session, I wonder they can share what they talked about on the last Sunday ;)
Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan yuyu@wikimedia.hk 於 2012年4月7日下午7:07 寫道：
Hi all
As I remembered that in the Berlin conference this year there is a barcamp section on regional coopertation stuff, right?
I wonder if anyone learn anything worth to share to the list and moreover anyone managed to speak there?
-- Jeromy-Yu "Jerry" Chan, ARAD User:Yuyu | zh.wikipedia Advisor, Wikimedia Hong Kong ChapCom/ComCom, Wikimedia Foundation Communications Co-Head, Wikimania HK Bidding Team also Jeromyu on twitter, plurk and most of places http://yuyu.be/txt | http://about.me/jeromyu
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Hello,
There was a mixup in this year's barcamp and I proposed on the evaluation form that this will be in a plenary session next year that will be split up in a subsequent session.
What happened was they created one session just for regional cooperation. That means those chapters like *Iberocoop, Asia Pacific, etc were all in one small room.*
I am not sure if such regional meeting really took place but based on what I understood is the center of that discussion is how chapters with common interest (geographical, cultural, language) grouped together and share best practices and launch common projects.
In a similar session, small chapters decided to foster relationship further by creating a Chapters in Development or Developing Chapters Network which focus in notesharing and discuss common chapter growth concerns.
I really wanted to pursue joint projects with different chapters like solicit assistance in crafting a strategic plan, cultural projects and a lot more.
Though I have a personal trip to Hong Kong in May or June, maybe I could arrange a site visit to your office or to have a chat with your chapter at a street market :)
Roman "Butch" Bustria Jr. Wikimedia Philippines Inc.
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On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan <yuyu@wikimedia.hk
wrote:
Hi all
As I remembered that in the Berlin conference this year there is a barcamp section on regional coopertation stuff, right?
I wonder if anyone learn anything worth to share to the list and moreover anyone managed to speak there?
-- Jeromy-Yu "Jerry" Chan, ARAD User:Yuyu | zh.wikipedia Advisor, Wikimedia Hong Kong ChapCom/ComCom, Wikimedia Foundation Communications Co-Head, Wikimania HK Bidding Team also Jeromyu on twitter, plurk and most of places http://yuyu.be/txt | http://about.me/jeromyu
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On Apr 8, 2012 3:20 PM, "Butch Bustria" butch@wikimedia.org.ph wrote:
Hello,
There was a mixup in this year's barcamp and I proposed on the evaluation
form that this will be in a plenary session next year that will be split up in a subsequent session.
What happened was they created one session just for regional cooperation.
That means those chapters like Iberocoop, Asia Pacific, etc were all in one small room.
I am not sure if such regional meeting really took place but based on
what I understood is the center of that discussion is how chapters with common interest (geographical, cultural, language) grouped together and share best practices and launch common projects.
In a similar session, small chapters decided to foster relationship
further by creating a Chapters in Development or Developing Chapters Network which focus in notesharing and discuss common chapter growth concerns.
I really wanted to pursue joint projects with different chapters like
solicit assistance in crafting a strategic plan, cultural projects and a lot more.
Though I have a personal trip to Hong Kong in May or June, maybe I could
arrange a site visit to your office or to have a chat with your chapter at a street market :)
Ah, how much we wish we had an office! Centralized or decentralized funding, the point is we didn't get it.
Roman "Butch" Bustria Jr. Wikimedia Philippines Inc.
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On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan <
yuyu@wikimedia.hk> wrote:
Hi all
As I remembered that in the Berlin conference this year there is a barcamp section on regional coopertation stuff, right?
I wonder if anyone learn anything worth to share to the list and moreover anyone managed to speak there?
-- Jeromy-Yu "Jerry" Chan, ARAD User:Yuyu | zh.wikipedia Advisor, Wikimedia Hong Kong ChapCom/ComCom, Wikimedia Foundation Communications Co-Head, Wikimania HK Bidding Team also Jeromyu on twitter, plurk and most of places http://yuyu.be/txt | http://about.me/jeromyu
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On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Deryck Chan deryckchan@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Ah, how much we wish we had an office! Centralized or decentralized funding, the point is we didn't get it.
* grin * this is raised also by Christophe as per twitter: "Ok, we're super chapters but what are our powers?" Because I believe they will have to put what they got into the money bin a.k.a FDC However, their advantage would be they got the money with them before transferring and they got the donor data.
Do you mean a fund for the whole Asia region? I think it is a good idea as well as getting fund from foundation or giving fund for the local or regional projects in Asia. It would be a topic worth for further discussion.
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On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Deryck Chan deryckchan@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Ah, how much we wish we had an office! Centralized or decentralized
funding,
the point is we didn't get it.
- grin * this is raised also by Christophe as per twitter: "Ok, we're
super chapters but what are our powers?" Because I believe they will have to put what they got into the money bin a.k.a FDC However, their advantage would be they got the money with them before transferring and they got the donor data.
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On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Morgan Pak San Chan morganpschan@gmail.com wrote:
Do you mean a fund for the whole Asia region?
*nod* At this point I even suspect non Asian want to be a part of it, I know for a fact Serbia is interested in project management (i.e. budgeting) what they are facing there is different than the richer part of Europe and much more similar to Indonesia IMHO as per discussion back in Paris.
The Europe can't taught us things, because they are *almost always* have money *donation* or resources *lots of v.active editors*, so we're facing a different kind of problem, that's why I always opt out in asking European for Indonesian problems. It's not the same and whatever answer they are giving probably not worth considering.
Hello,
I think at this time, we need to be creative with the ones we have right now.
I believe having a common time to do a web conference / webminar or live online chat is a good start before we head over physical interaction and setup an office.
Once we solidify our partnerships and went to several live online discussion then we can start hosting a meeting to a country which is least expensive for travelling. Once we together became busy on our joint projects then we can then setup a physical office and a common fund.
I think the secret of Iberocoop is poking (,singing together maybe) and having fun with each other. Discussing politics and money first before projects wont lead us somewhere. Once together we craft an Pan-Asia Pacific road map and blueprint and an easy to understood and well drafted set of joint chapter project plans then we can worry about politics and money.
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Butch Bustria butch@wikimedia.org.ph wrote:
I believe having a common time to do a web conference / webminar or live online chat is a good start before we head over physical interaction and setup an office.
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then we can then setup a physical office and a common fund.
WMID has no desire on setting up an office even if we receive funding needed for Apsara :D
However I disagree on delaying physical interaction, after Free Your Knowledge Competition in 2010, WMID realize that it desperately need someone (more people) who has the passion and the time to take care of administration need of the chapter (WMID). Kartika and Ivonne steps in after the request and we documented each and every coordination meetings for 1,5 years totaling around 200 meetings. That is what it takes for actively and aggressively pushing a regeneration of volunteers. These meetings are not meet up, we call it coordination meeting because it serves a certain purpose and each and every meeting there are progress, decisions and result.
You may disagree or take on a completely different approach, it's your prerogative of course. Once we've completed our planning, we will have our schedule up, and actively contacting Japan, Korea, Kazakh, Iran, and other Asian chapters (like Bangladesh, of course! We'll send you our invitation with ribbon :D) - is it safe to say Philippines is not interested? We're not planning a conference, completely the opposite really, we are aiming in depth training - the goal is developing chapters/ community via in depth individual/ small group coaching and empowerment.
Once together we craft an Pan-Asia Pacific road map and blueprint and an easy to understood and well drafted set of joint chapter project plans then we can worry about politics and money.
I won't lie to you, we don't have an ideal situation where we go: projects first, planning, politics and worry about money and sex scandals later. Most of the time the event runs concurrently, upside down, and sometimes it's action first and planning later - I shite you not, after several projects *I* realize that working with volunteers need a liquid budget framework, which I'm experimenting right now.
I'm happy to to learn that Phillipines are thinking to do Pan Asia Pasific road map, but our regional training center will not wait for that nor need approval from other *Asian chapters*. The reason for that is we're not aiming chapters exclusively, we're targeting driven volunteers as individuals and/ or community.
Yours,
Hello,
I think at this moment, though we share a tropical climate, we are still cold with each other.
Though personally, I can rate our chapter as your little brother chapter and your chapter is our big sister and the 2011-2012 chapters are toddlers, we hope that we can do little steps like communicating bi-chapters like my own initiative to fly to Hong Kong and have web conferences.
I personally like flying to Indonesia to learn your chapter growth, but I also hope that financial constraints and limited person time wont be a hindrance to our relations. Through the power of social media and other modes of online communication/ wiki I am certain that our regional cooperation would someday be a reality.
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Butch Bustria butch@wikimedia.org.ph wrote:
Though personally, I can rate our chapter as your little brother chapter and your chapter is our big sister and the 2011-2012 chapters are toddlers
I would suggest that people stop rating :D
FYI in 2007 when we haven't become a chapter yet or I'm not even sure I like to pursue one, *I* came to Taipei to learn about Wikimedia Taiwan via Wikimania and hope that they will take a role as our guidance, where we can learn from them. *to be honest I am still hoping now*
We hope that we can do little steps like communicating bi-chapters like my own initiative to fly to Hong Kong and have web conferences.
*grin* We're not flying anyone until we understand what the need are and whether it suit to the training that we provided. Too expensive. Without a clear RoI (return of investment) it jeopardizing the *future* grant request even WMID track record. We *of course* will avoid that at all cost.
I also hope that financial constraints and limited person time wont be a hindrance to our relations
Apsara only take off if we receive the grant. Which we haven't even asked for yet. Therefore it eliminates financial constraint, the grant will bore the expenses. However the grant will not bore the limited person time, since we realize it exist. If you have limited time, and will not be able to conduct project after the training (will be decided during assessment per communication between potential trainer/ trainee during identification of whether or not one need training for *three days* for example) - then although the money available, probably one is not the best person attending the training.
We're aiming *the* interested and willing.
Another example is if PH would like to conduct Wiki Loves Monument. By all mean, don't come to Indonesia, we never done that before :D nor interested to provide training for it. You'd probably best invite the Netherlanders - for example. If the Netherlanders are willing to come i.e to Phillipines with their own funding, asks Apsara to funded Bangladeshian or Indian or Korean to fly to Philipine to listen for the workshop and we'll send you the money. *shrug*
That's it.
Well, I understand that each chapters have their own preferences. Though the WLM was an initiative by some of our key officers, we dont shoot the idea down. Each of us in the Philippines always welcome good ideas as long as its well planned and its beneficial. We always disregard where it came from. Your projects are good too, all it takes is just understanding of it. We face challenge in getting active volunteers and for the first time go on nationwide projects and your chapter story is interesting to note.
It has been nice to know our ASEAN sisters in the conference. Though we have differences, we have common interests and this interaction we are doing today (though some may consider not good conversation) is still good because were are now talking more than before.
So this brings me to a conclusion that I will make a visit to Indonesia part of my medium-term wish list.
:)
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan yuyu@wikimedia.hk wrote:
regional coopertation stuff, right?
Hi Yuyu, Just a heads up for everyone that WMID is going to launch Wiki Apsara for 2012 -2013 it will contain 1) language revitalization program (via competition) 2) regional training center for project management for volunteers 3) nation-wide writing classes
We can't really share the details right now, since we didn't know. The regional training center means we will be accommodating training with rigid schedules, to those who can follow the schedule given we will finance their trip to Jakarta to be trained with a commitment to do project back in their home country - we are opening the possibility that we even funded it by re-granting the grant we receive // or they can asks directly to WMF if they feel like it.
Regards,
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