I'd like to draw out a few key differences between Wikimania and the Wikimedia Conference, just so we have a clearer picture of things:
*The location of Wikimania is determined by a panel, whereas the location of the Wikimedia Conference is decided by all the chapters voting. *Chapters (alongside the Foundation) spend for the chapters conference, whereas the Foundation is the sole body spending for Wikimania. Chapter finances after all are very tenuously tied to their respective geographies: chapters like WMDE, who are some of the biggest spenders for previous conferences, have expressed their desire for a Europe-based conference.
If the European chapters vote to have WMCON 2011 in Europe, then we have to accept the fact that it will be there. However, if it be held in Hong Kong (and I mean if), then we will not hesitate to support it any way we can. At any rate, when voting comes, I'll convene the WMPH Board so we know how to vote, and so we can do so with discretion.
Regards,
Josh
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________________________________ From: Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 5:13:26 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Chapters Meeting 2011
Thank you very much for your good summary and support! :-)
Cheers, Morgan
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On Aug 9, 2010, at 3:01, Ted Chien hsiangtai.chien@gmail.com wrote:
I wish to share something when we were bidding for Wikimania Taipei back in 2007.
At that time, Ilario also held the same opinion and think Wikimania should be held in Euro. And we also been told by some people that we might be too optimist. However at the end of the bidding we Taipei team win and we did make everyone very enjoy in Wikimania 2007. (You can ask any WMF board / stuff members, they keep telling me how they love the time when they were in Taipei). And after Wikimania 2007, Wikimania change to different continent every year.
The Wikimedia movement is not only a US-based or Euro-based movement. It's a global movement that every part of the world can join it. I think that's one of the visions of the Wikimedia movement, and I believe it's one of reasons why Kal encourages WMHK to hold the Chapters Meeting in 2011, just like how some WMF board members encouraged us Taipei to bid for Wikimania 2007.
If you ask me, I will vote for WMHK, for sure.
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在 2010/8/8 下午9:43 時， Morgan Chan 寫到：
Well, I understand that WMDE is almost unbeatable on the budget.
But if we can give everyone a great place like Cyberport, great food and great five star hotel rooms, and also fully support by the sponsorship. Then why we don't try Hong Kong?
That's why I can't promise anything at the moment, because I did not get anything confirmed from cyberport. But I also can't give up yet, because it could happen.
Cheers, Morgan
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On Aug 8, 2010, at 21:30, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id
wrote:
Morgan, I have to hand it to you for being an optimist.
For those who doesn't get Illario's email:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com Date: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [Chapters] [Internal-l] Chapters Meeting 2011 To: chapters@wikimedia.ch
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Andrew Owens orderinchaos78@gmail.com
wrote:
I may have got that wrong, and Ilario's welcome to correct me. :)
cheers Andrew (WMAU)
You have understood my position. Thanks for your support.
In my language people says: "A buon intenditore, poche parole" and the correct translation may be: "a word to the wise".
The concept is very simple. If someone starts a bid stating that a proposal must be supported by a budget of at least 50,000 Euro and the presence of a staff, surely it makes no sense to argue, we assign the chapters meeting to WM DE for the following next three years and there is no sense to discuss again. I don't think there are other chapters that have a staff-level of WM DE or an equal large budget.
If the two parameters are built according to these criteria it would be a "dummy" bid.
I cannot say that WM DE has organized bad meetings or they cannot assure an high level of organization and I cannot judge WM UK because I have not been in Bristol, but it's incorrect that the choice of location is a matter restricted to the "usual" two or three chapters because the requirements are a "little bit" restrictive for the remaining
95%.
I cannot judge correct for example to cut out the chapters that have chosen to be without a staff if these chapters can organize a voluntary service. In the same way I cannot judge the limit of 50,000 Euros as a big condition if some chapters can organize a similar service with 20,000 euros and find alternative solutions related to a less expensive town.
A bid organized in this way does not highlight the real weaknesses related to the location of Berlin, for example, because we don't have any other option.
For this reason I would appreciate a bid based by location, for example, and not one based by chapter because some chapters can propose a cheaper town, well connected with flights (also from Australia) and find support (also economical) from other chapters or from some sponsors and there is no sense to deny any opportunity only for a limited budget or for a staff not present yet.
Any bid has a meaning only if it is organized around flexible requirements and "really" open to the chapters.
It does not seem correct to me to preclude them the opportunity to propose a candidature based on a particular "model of chapter" because there are chapters that have decided to select another model for their internal policies (for example, many chapters have agreed that the members of the association cannot be paid), because they have decided to focus on different forms of organization or other forms of investment, or because they have taken different choices based on cultural issues.
We cannot say that to organize a chapters meeting they must switch to another "model".
For this reason we cannot say that they are "poor" chapters but that they are chapters with a different model.
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2010/8/8 Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk:
Just tell you guys a little secret. Actually Kul recommends us to take the bid, and I think he has his reason, maybe it suits the movement or strategies of Wikimedia, maybe. For the air tickets, we will to get sponsor from Cathay Pacific, but before this, we need to confirm we can get the sponsorship from cyberport and we sure it will hold in Hong Kong. For Thomas, I think I won't keep it in my mind seriously. If his theory is correct, then we should stop all the non-euro projects because 67% of chapters are euro, and WMFoundation should put all the resource in euro,
and
they will care about other regions three years later. It doesn't make
sense,
right? Chapters meeting is not a meeting for chapters. It can also boost a lot of things, locally, regionally, or even globally. Chapters meeting in Asia can really put the spotlight on Asia, especially we already have an Asian chair and Wikimania 2011 in Israel. So air ticket is not everything at all.
Cheers, Morgan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2010, at 20:46, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
I'd have to agree with Siska here. Like what Thomas said in chapters-L, given that most chapters are in Europe, the Foundation saves more by bringing the less numerous Asians, Australians and Americans (North and South) to Europe than the other way around.
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The
Assembly
Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 8:25:05 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Chapters Meeting 2011
Morgan,
As painful as it may sound, the European will let the Asian travel twice, rather than them going to Hong Kong for chapter's meeting.
I think Illario's email sounded the most reasonable one. Personal view, I don't think even the UK will win the bid for chapter's meeting, other European chapter's preferences are leaning toward to held in again in Germany for the next 3 years, or perhaps 2, then open for bidding.
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Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk>
wrote:
I also want to clarify this. If we can successfully take the bid of the Chapter Meeting 2011, we will combine our Wikimedia Asia Project in one series of conference, then for the Asians, they don't need to travel twice.
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Dear all: Just wanna let you know about Hong Kong is planning to take the Chapters Meeting 2011. We already contacted our main possible sponsor Cyberport, to support the venue, catering, accommodation and local transportation (maybe even air tickets). We are still negotiating with them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberport So if there are any update, i will post it here ASAP. -- Best regards, Morgan Chan
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