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From: Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk>
To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination <wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 5:13:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Chapters Meeting 2011

Thank you very much for your good summary and support! :-)

Cheers,
Morgan

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 9, 2010, at 3:01, Ted Chien <hsiangtai.chien@gmail.com> wrote:

> I wish to share something when we were bidding for Wikimania Taipei back in 2007.
>
> At that time, Ilario also held the same opinion and think Wikimania should be held in Euro. And we also been told by some people that we might be too optimist. However at the end of the bidding we Taipei team win and we did make everyone very enjoy in Wikimania 2007. (You can ask any WMF board / stuff members, they keep telling me how they love the time when they were in Taipei). And after Wikimania 2007, Wikimania change to different continent every year.
>
> The Wikimedia movement is not only a US-based or Euro-based movement. It's a global movement that every part of the world can join it. I think that's one of the visions of the Wikimedia movement, and I believe it's one of reasons why Kal encourages WMHK to hold the Chapters Meeting in 2011, just like how some WMF board members encouraged us Taipei to bid for Wikimania 2007.
>
> If you ask me, I will vote for WMHK, for sure.
>
> Best Regards,
> Ted Chien
> Secretary
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> 在 2010/8/8 下午9:43 時， Morgan Chan 寫到：
>
>> Well, I understand that WMDE is almost unbeatable on the budget.
>>
>> But if we can give everyone a great place like Cyberport, great food and great five star hotel rooms, and also fully support by the sponsorship. Then why we don't try Hong Kong?
>>
>> That's why I can't promise anything at the moment, because I did not get anything confirmed from cyberport. But I also can't give up yet, because it could happen.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Morgan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2010, at 21:30, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
>>
>>> Morgan,
>>> I have to hand it to you for being an optimist.
>>>
>>> For those who doesn't get Illario's email:
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Ilario Valdelli <valdelli@gmail.com>
>>> Date: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:07 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Chapters] [Internal-l] Chapters Meeting 2011
>>> To: chapters@wikimedia.ch
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Andrew Owens <orderinchaos78@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I may have got that wrong, and Ilario's welcome to correct me. :)
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>> Andrew (WMAU)
>>>>
>>>
>>> You have understood my position. Thanks for your support.
>>>
>>> In my language people says: "A buon intenditore, poche parole" and the
>>> correct translation may be: "a word to the wise".
>>>
>>> The concept is very simple. If someone starts a bid stating that a
>>> proposal must be supported by a budget of at least 50,000 Euro and the
>>> presence of a staff, surely it makes no sense to argue, we assign the
>>> chapters meeting to WM DE for the following next three years and there
>>> is no sense to discuss again. I don't think there are other chapters
>>> that have a staff-level of WM DE or an equal large budget.
>>>
>>> If the two parameters are built according to these criteria it would
>>> be a "dummy" bid.
>>>
>>> I cannot say that WM DE has organized bad meetings or they cannot
>>> assure an high level of organization and I cannot judge WM UK because
>>> I have not been in Bristol, but it's incorrect that the choice of
>>> location is a matter restricted to the "usual" two or three chapters
>>> because the requirements are a "little bit" restrictive for the remaining 95%.
>>>
>>> I cannot judge correct for example to cut out the chapters that have
>>> chosen to be without a staff if these chapters can organize a
>>> voluntary service. In the same way I cannot judge the limit of 50,000
>>> Euros as a big condition if some chapters can organize a similar
>>> service with 20,000 euros and find alternative solutions related to a
>>> less expensive town.
>>>
>>> A bid organized in this way does not highlight the real weaknesses
>>> related to the location of Berlin, for example, because we don't have
>>> any other option.
>>>
>>> For this reason I would appreciate a bid based by location, for
>>> example, and not one based by chapter because some chapters can
>>> propose a cheaper town, well connected with flights (also from
>>> Australia) and find support (also economical) from other chapters or
>>> from some sponsors and there is no sense to deny any opportunity only
>>> for a limited budget or for a staff not present yet.
>>>
>>> Any bid has a meaning only if it is organized around flexible
>>> requirements and "really" open to the chapters.
>>>
>>> It does not seem correct to me to preclude them the opportunity to
>>> propose a candidature based on a particular "model of chapter" because
>>> there are chapters that have decided to select another model for their
>>> internal policies (for example, many chapters have agreed that the
>>> members of the association cannot be paid), because they have decided
>>> to focus on different forms of organization or other forms of
>>> investment, or because they have taken different choices based on
>>> cultural issues.
>>>
>>> We cannot say that to organize a chapters meeting they must switch to
>>> another "model".
>>>
>>> For this reason we cannot say that they are "poor" chapters but that
>>> they are chapters with a different model.
>>>
>>> Ilario
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chapters mailing list
>>> Chapters@wikimedia.ch
>>> http://lists.wikimedia.ch/listinfo/chapters
>>>
>>> 2010/8/8 Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk>:
>>>> Just tell you guys a little secret.
>>>> Actually Kul recommends us to take the bid, and I think he has his reason,
>>>> maybe it suits the movement or strategies of Wikimedia, maybe.
>>>> For the air tickets, we will to get sponsor from Cathay Pacific, but before
>>>> this, we need to confirm we can get the sponsorship from cyberport and we
>>>> sure it will hold in Hong Kong.
>>>> For Thomas, I think I won't keep it in my mind seriously. If his theory is
>>>> correct, then we should stop all the non-euro projects because 67% of
>>>> chapters are euro, and WMFoundation should put all the resource in euro, and
>>>> they will care about other regions three years later. It doesn't make sense,
>>>> right?
>>>> Chapters meeting is not a meeting for chapters. It can also boost a lot of
>>>> things, locally, regionally, or even globally. Chapters meeting in Asia can
>>>> really put the spotlight on Asia, especially we already have an Asian chair
>>>> and Wikimania 2011 in Israel.
>>>> So air ticket is not everything at all.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Morgan
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Aug 8, 2010, at 20:46, Josh Lim <jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd have to agree with Siska here.  Like what Thomas said in chapters-L,
>>>> given that most chapters are in Europe, the Foundation saves more by
>>>> bringing the less numerous Asians, Australians and Americans (North and
>>>> South) to Europe than the other way around.
>>>>
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>> JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM
>>>> Block I1, AB Political Science
>>>> Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University
>>>> Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
>>>>
>>>> President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines
>>>> Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly
>>>> Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society
>>>> Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Siska Doviana <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id>
>>>> To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination
>>>> <wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>> Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 8:25:05 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Chapters Meeting 2011
>>>>
>>>> Morgan,
>>>>
>>>> As painful as it may sound, the European will let the Asian travel
>>>> twice, rather than them going to Hong Kong for chapter's meeting.
>>>>
>>>> I think Illario's email sounded the most reasonable one. Personal
>>>> view, I don't think even the UK will win the bid for chapter's
>>>> meeting, other European chapter's preferences are leaning toward to
>>>> held in again in Germany for the next 3 years, or perhaps 2, then open
>>>> for bidding.
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Ph. +62 816 484 5052
>>>> ~~~~
>>>> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan:
>>>> http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk> wrote:
>>>>> I also want to clarify this.
>>>>> If we can successfully take the bid of the Chapter Meeting 2011,
>>>>> we will combine our Wikimedia Asia Project in one series of conference,
>>>>> then for the Asians, they don't need to travel twice.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all:
>>>>>> Just wanna let you know about Hong Kong is planning to take the Chapters
>>>>>> Meeting 2011.
>>>>>> We already contacted our main possible sponsor Cyberport, to support the
>>>>>> venue, catering,
>>>>>> accommodation and local transportation (maybe even air tickets). We are
>>>>>> still negotiating
>>>>>> with them.
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberport
>>>>>> So if there are any update, i will post it here ASAP.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Morgan Chan
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Morgan Chan
>>>>>> Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong
>>>>>> Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation
>>>>>> E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk
>>>>>> Tel.：+852 9012-2178
>>>>>> WLM：morgand536@gmail.com
>>>>>> Skype: ups918
>>>>>> Twitter: morgand536
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Morgan Chan
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Morgan Chan
>>>>> Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong
>>>>> Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation
>>>>> E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk
>>>>> Tel.：+852 9012-2178
>>>>> WLM：morgand536@gmail.com
>>>>> Skype: ups918
>>>>> Twitter: morgand536
>>>>>
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