How strict is the 800 page upper limit for printed books? Is there a way we can increase this limit (possibly for a higher price point)? I don't want to say it's common, but I've already found one book that's larger. Foundations of Education and Instructional Assessment, First edition (there are three separate editions of it!!!) is a whopping 870 pages long, not including all the optional frontmatter that could have been included. Obviously, for groups who have put so much effort into their books, I would like to find a way for them to be able to buy and enjoy them.
--Andrew Whitworth
On Nov 12, 2008, at 12:58 AM, Andrew Whitworth wrote:
How strict is the 800 page upper limit for printed books? Is there a way we can increase this limit (possibly for a higher price point)? I
No, this is a technical limit in the manufacturing process.
don't want to say it's common, but I've already found one book that's larger. Foundations of Education and Instructional Assessment, First edition (there are three separate editions of it!!!) is a whopping 870 pages long, not including all the optional frontmatter that could have been included.
Since the printed books are typeset for A5 (8.5"x5.5") compared to the PDFs in the wiki (A4), those collections would have even more pages (maybe factor 1.5) when printed.
Obviously, for groups who have put so much effort into their books, I would like to find a way for them to be able to buy and enjoy them.
The only solution I can currently think of is to split those books up into 4-6 editions.
Heiko
Heiko Hees wrote:
Since the printed books are typeset for A5 (8.5"x5.5") compared to the PDFs in the wiki (A4), those collections would have even more pages (maybe factor 1.5) when printed.
Could this explain the problem I've been having? [[Collections:Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature]] renders a 622 page PDF. 1.5 times that is what... 911 pages? Jokes about 911 being an emergency number aside, will exceeding 800 pages result in this error:
An Error Occured on the MediaWiki Site
Something went wrong on one of our servers. We're sorry and apologize for the inconvenience! The problem has already been reported to PediaPress staff. Please try again at a later time. Something went wrong on the MediaWiki when your article collection was packaged.
Maybe if I divided the book into two volumes...
On 20.11.2008, at 02:23, j.w. thomas wrote:
Could this explain the problem I've been having? [...] will exceeding 800 pages result in this error:
An Error Occured on the MediaWiki Site
It shouldn't: The resulting page on pediapress.com should say "The size of content exceeds our limitations" together with some explanation text.
When the above error occurs, it means that an error occured somewhere in the process when articles/templates/images are packaged on the MediaWiki side and transferred to PediaPress.
About the problem with this particular collection [[Wikibooks:Collections/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Nature]]: If you just load it and click the "Order book from PediaPress" button, the error occurs. That's because at some point, the packaging process for this collection had an error and the data is cached[1]. But if you change something (e.g. enter a different title or subtitle) before clicking the button, the packaging is triggered again and the upload works (which *does* result in a book exceeding the current limits for PediaPress books BTW :).
[1] How long the data is cached is configurable: It's a cron-Job that has to be set up, which deletes all files that are older than N hours.
Maybe if I divided the book into two volumes...
It's definitely planned to offer this automatically to the customer on PediaPress. Unfortunately, I can't give a timeframe for that.
-- Johannes Beigel
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