I got this email today, don't know if it's legitimate or what. I also dont know why they singled out me, or thanked me for Wikibooks. Anyway, what do people make of this?
--Andrew Whitworth
From: Worldlibrary webmaster@worldlibrary.net To: Whiteknight wknight8111@hotmail.com Subject: Wikibooks Usage Permission Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:08:43 GMT
Dear Whiteknight,
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On 5/18/07, Andrew Whitworth wknight8111@hotmail.com wrote:
I got this email today, don't know if it's legitimate or what. I also dont know why they singled out me, or thanked me for Wikibooks. Anyway, what do people make of this?
Proposals of collaboration or usage of Wikimedia brands / logos must be addressed to the office. Also, please don't publish private emails containing names, addresses, phone numbers etc. on publicly archived mailing lists :)
On 5/18/07, Andrew Whitworth wknight8111@hotmail.com wrote:
I got this email today, don't know if it's legitimate or what. I also
dont
know why they singled out me, or thanked me for Wikibooks. Anyway, what
do
people make of this?
Proposals of collaboration or usage of Wikimedia brands / logos must be addressed to the office. Also, please don't publish private emails containing names, addresses, phone numbers etc. on publicly archived mailing lists :)
I have no indication that this email was a private one, it was clearly for the benefit of the Wikibooks community. Also, this doesnt appear to me to be a proposal of collaboration, per se. It seems they want to post a link to our site (likely with the caveat that we post a link to their site in return). I can send a copy to whoever if we need, but i'm more interested in hearing what people have to say about this then trying to forge some sort of deal.
--Andrew Whitworth
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Check out http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Current_staff for a full list of Foundation staff. It looks like Barbara Brown and/or Sandra Ordonez are the ones you want to forward this to, although since their names aren't linked to their accounts I'm not sure how you could get in contact with them.
Anyway, it's a start. Garrett
On 5/18/07, Andrew Whitworth wknight8111@hotmail.com wrote:
On 5/18/07, Andrew Whitworth wknight8111@hotmail.com wrote:
I got this email today, don't know if it's legitimate or what. I also
dont
know why they singled out me, or thanked me for Wikibooks. Anyway,
what
do
people make of this?
Proposals of collaboration or usage of Wikimedia brands / logos must be addressed to the office. Also, please don't publish private emails containing names, addresses, phone numbers etc. on publicly archived mailing lists :)
I have no indication that this email was a private one, it was clearly for the benefit of the Wikibooks community. Also, this doesnt appear to me to be a proposal of collaboration, per se. It seems they want to post a link to our site (likely with the caveat that we post a link to their site in return). I can send a copy to whoever if we need, but i'm more interested in hearing what people have to say about this then trying to forge some sort of deal.
--Andrew Whitworth
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Garrett wrote:
Check out http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Current_staff for a full list of Foundation staff. It looks like Barbara Brown and/or Sandra Ordonez are the ones you want to forward this to, although since their names aren't linked to their accounts I'm not sure how you could get in contact with them.
Anyway, it's a start. Garrett
Good thing Wikipedia staff is on the list. :)
Also, I wanted to note that that in general, Guillaume is correct about forwarding personal emails to public lists--it should not be done...but in looking at this email I can see that Andrew used his judgment; this email was intended for the Wikibooks Community and/or the Foundation.
Good job, everyone.
Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator
In follow-up, I've been told that this same email was sent to all wikibooks bureaucrats, because it was assumed that small group of people would be a good way to contact the community at large. In the future, I'll go though and remove any contact information from forwarded emails.
--Andrew Whitworth
From: Cary Bass cbass@wikimedia.org Reply-To: Wikimedia textbook discussion textbook-l@lists.wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia textbook discussion textbook-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Textbook-l] FW: Wikibooks Usage Permission Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:20:26 -0400
Garrett wrote:
Check out http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Current_staff for a full
list
of Foundation staff. It looks like Barbara Brown and/or Sandra Ordonez
are
the ones you want to forward this to, although since their names aren't linked to their accounts I'm not sure how you could get in contact with them.
Anyway, it's a start. Garrett
Good thing Wikipedia staff is on the list. :)
Also, I wanted to note that that in general, Guillaume is correct about forwarding personal emails to public lists--it should not be done...but in looking at this email I can see that Andrew used his judgment; this email was intended for the Wikibooks Community and/or the Foundation.
Good job, everyone.
Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator
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Guillaume Paumier wrote:
On 5/18/07, Andrew Whitworth wknight8111@hotmail.com wrote:
I got this email today, don't know if it's legitimate or what. I also dont know why they singled out me, or thanked me for Wikibooks. Anyway, what do people make of this?
Proposals of collaboration or usage of Wikimedia brands / logos must be addressed to the office. Also, please don't publish private emails containing names, addresses, phone numbers etc. on publicly archived mailing lists :)
I'm not entirely sure what exactly this means. Why is it not possible to request a collaboration with the community that is producing the content rather than having to use individuals who may not even be familiar with the project that collaboration is sought with?
In this case they are only asking to make a deep link within a Wikimedia project. I was not aware that this was a controversial issue with the WMF, or that there was any legal basis or even desire to prohibit individuals or organizations from linking to specific pages within a project like Wikibooks. That is all that is being requested here, although it is nice to know that they are trying to catalog some of our content.
I would try to encourage them to look at some of the featured books that can be found here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Featured_books
It is unlikely that these books are going to be deleted (there have been some notable exceptions!) but I would have strong reason to believe that the links to these Wikibooks would be quite stable, and these are books that of sufficient quality that it would be worth trying to integrate them into a general catalog of e-books. If anything, this is something we have been spending a little bit of time talking about on the Staff Lounge from time to time, and I've hoped that we could encourage external groups that would want to use these books in exactly this sort of fashion.
It may be useful to have some individual Wikibooks users to help with this cataloging effort, as this is usually done on a voluntary basis as well. The authors themselves, or perhaps individuals who have been working with proofreading or cataloging these books on Wikibooks bookshelves would obviously be familiar with the content. This is what I mean be a join collaborative effort between two on-line communities. Andrew is certainly what I would consider to be a legitimate contact point for a request like this.
From: Robert Horning robert_horning@netzero.net Guillaume Paumier wrote:
On 5/18/07, Andrew Whitworth wknight8111@hotmail.com wrote:
I got this email today, don't know if it's legitimate or what. I also
dont
know why they singled out me, or thanked me for Wikibooks. Anyway, what
do
people make of this?
Proposals of collaboration or usage of Wikimedia brands / logos must be addressed to the office. Also, please don't publish private emails containing names, addresses, phone numbers etc. on publicly archived
mailing
lists :)
I'm not entirely sure what exactly this means. Why is it not possible to request a collaboration with the community that is producing the content rather than having to use individuals who may not even be familiar with the project that collaboration is sought with?
I certainly wouldnt advocate leaving the WMF out of the loop entirely. I do know that the WMF's official stated policy is that it does not make partnerships or whatever with other organizations. However, i'm not prepared to say "this is Wikibook's business, and the WMF can suck a lemon". If it's a matter simply as small as them posting a link to us, and us posting a link to them, I can't imagine that it's even a big deal. If it were more then that, such as Wikibooks book PDFs being hosted on the other site, or wikibooks/wikimedia logos being posted on their sites, then yes we would want to get the WMF involved.
I would try to encourage them to look at some of the featured books that can be found here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Featured_books
Agreed, we can put our best foot forward in situations like this, and I would say that the community is sufficiently discriminant in this process that many of these books really are worth advertising.
Andrew is certainly what I would consider to be a legitimate contact point for a request like this.
Thank you! I do think it's a good idea to have a centralized contact for an outside group to communicate with Wikibooks. It's certainly easier then exposing the outside groups to our mailing list, or asking an external group to post questions on the staff lounge and attempt to determine the community consensus on the matter from the responses there. It's certainly something we should talk about as a community, however.
--Andrew Whitworth
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