Sorry Sanford, I think too much coffee has muddled my brain. I'm not sure what you mean but I'm very, very interested in getting your point.
-Kathy
-----Original Message----- From: Sanford Forte [mailto:siforte@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:21 AM To: Wikimedia textbook discussion Subject: Re: [Textbook-l] [Foundation-l] Rethinking brands
Hi, Kathy,
The irony here is that materials that are created in a way that meshes with already-approved state curriculum frameworks are _also_ available to "a teacher, parent, school, district, or state can take it, leave it, or adapt it for their needs".
Cheers, Sanford
*************************************** Sanford Forte, Director California Open Source Texbook Project Palo Alto, CA sforte@opensourcetext.org 650-321-9152 (Office) 650-888-0077 (Mobile)
On May 11, 2007, at 11:16 AM, KH wrote:
Although I agree with you, Sanford, with wikibooks, a teacher, parent, school, district, or state can take it, leave it, or adapt it for their needs.
I'm looking for open curriculum or anything like that out on the web and there really isn't anything right now. The South African stuff is a structure but there isn't anything there for a teacher to use, let alone adapt.
-kathy
-----Original Message----- From: Sanford Forte [mailto:siforte@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:07 AM To: Wikimedia textbook discussion Subject: Re: [Textbook-l] [Foundation-l] Rethinking brands
The essential challenge is to get end product into the K-12 education channel, in a way that 1) meshes with the requirements set by state education departments to strictly adhere to curriculum frameworks; 2) devise effective means to inform the established K-12 education community that #1 has been completed (on a subject by subject basis); and, 3) establish a means to distribution of materials *in print* that is easy to access.
Content is decidedly _not_ the problem. The real problems are logistics and effective project management toward a goal of completing the above,
Cheers, Sanford
Sanford Forte, Director California Open Source Texbook Project Palo Alto, CA sforte@opensourcetext.org 650-321-9152 (Office) 650-888-0077 (Mobile)
On May 11, 2007, at 10:28 AM, KH wrote:
I was under the impression that wikibooks would also include textbooks for k-12. Normally, k-3 don't have traditional texts because many are still learning to read. Later, they read to learn. So much of the "textbook" is really worksheets, pictures, and planned lectures and activities. Actually, a better word to use for k-3 is curriculum, not textbooks. But I've read we are not supposed to do curriculum.
Soooo, I'm not sure what wikibooks really is. Here is where I got my info:
http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/003069.shtml
Although dated 8/05, it seems Mr. Wales had a definite vision:
"The second thing that will be free is a complete curriculum (in all languages) from Kindergarten through the University level. There are several projects underway to make this a reality, including our own Wikibooks project, but of course this is a much bigger job than the encyclopedia, and it will take much longer."
Curriculum, by definition, is a package. It can include textbooks but certain goes beyond that to worksheets, teacher planning, activities, etc. I would love to redo the SRA Direct Instruction curriculum in wikibooks so that parents AND teachers have an option for scientificially based curriculum. But according to new definitions, I'm not sure wikibooks is an appropriate place. Under the old definition from the website listed above, it is.
-Kathy
-----Original Message----- Florence Devouard wrote:
I, for one, think it is great to work on better defining the mission of Wikibooks. I have one question though, do you know if the definition worked upon is generally shared with other wikibooks people ? Are they other wikibooks that have worked on such a definition, and where the outcome differs widely from yours ?
ant
At last count 18 people supported it and 7 people objected to it. As others have already said, some disagree on limiting English Wikibooks to just textbooks, how much emphases on textbooks be be given, whether or not it should be a policy or guideline and some have concerns on the clarity of the proposal.
There is quite a difference from English Wikibooks' current version and the German version. Google's German to English translation of the German Wikibooks version: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F% 2Fde.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki %2FHilfe%3AWas_Wikibooks_ist&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
There have been previous proposals on English Wikibooks to redefine the current policy as well, before they were merged together: http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php? title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks/Unstab le&oldid=600961 http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php? title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks/Unstab le&oldid=665481 http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php? title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks/Unstab le&oldid=665488
that AFAIK, were abandoned before ever getting to the point of seeking input from the community to accept or reject them.
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