Hello everyone,
As a part of the wider work that we're all doing on advocacy, Wikimedia UK has put together a letter to UK MEPs calling on them to support changes to copyright. The letter covers the three areas of interest of the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU:
- Freedom of panorama - Use of orphan works - Public domain of publicly-funded works
We've used illustrated examples in the text. We plan to send this out to all 73 UK MEPs within the next couple of days, both by email and by post.
Do let me know if you have any thoughts.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
Looks good to me: Just a minor comment for the print version, make sure to write out the links (e.g. in footnotes or in brackets), and reference the Directive with its number and name so the MEPs or their assistants can find it easily.
Best regards, Bence
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Stevie Benton < stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hello everyone,
As a part of the wider work that we're all doing on advocacy, Wikimedia UK has put together a letter to UK MEPs calling on them to support changes to copyright. The letter covers the three areas of interest of the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU:
- Freedom of panorama
- Use of orphan works
- Public domain of publicly-funded works
We've used illustrated examples in the text. We plan to send this out to all 73 UK MEPs within the next couple of days, both by email and by post.
Do let me know if you have any thoughts.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
--
Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
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Hi Stevie,
I really like the initiative. There are a couple of things that came to my mind that might deserve some consideration.
1. You intend to send this to those 73 UK MEPs whose legislative turn will be over in about 2 months. There will be some considerable turnover. One option could be to adjust the recipient list to all candiates for an MEP seat or those with realistic chances of getting elected. After all, those candidates might be in a good mood to listen to suggestions right now.
2. The term "Public domain of publicly-funded works" might be perceived in two possible ways: Open Access to publicly funded works and Public Domain of Government works. Given the framework agreements such as Berne Convention and others, it will be unlikely to deny copyright protection just because funding came from a public source.
3. I really like the idea of illustrations. The picture of Big Ben and a crossed out European flagpole installation however might be interpreted slightly different than intended. Spending time and effort (and possibly even money) to get a layout that is appealing to the eye is definitely worth it.
4. Size. Three pages might exceed the attention span of your target audience.
Mathias
Hi,
this is really a great initiative. I immediately thought that you should report the experiences you'll have with this so it can be copied by other EU chapters. Having an "organisation from home" asking for something is often more efficient than receiving a letter from an interntional HQ. Ideally, the two will be complementing each other (like in our case).
As to Mathias' comment on the MEPs: Yes, there will be some considerable turnover, but at the same time politicians are most likely to pay attention to such a thing before election time. Sending it out just to the ones we believe might get reelected would be - diplomatically speaking - bad diplomacy. Can't we just resend it after the elections to just the newly elected MEPs?
As to the length, indeed three pages might be a bit long, but if the opening (i.e. the first page) is informative and interesting enough and the other two pages are additional information, this could just work.
Dimi
2014-03-14 9:19 GMT+01:00 Mathias Schindler mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de :
Hi Stevie,
I really like the initiative. There are a couple of things that came to my mind that might deserve some consideration.
- You intend to send this to those 73 UK MEPs whose legislative turn
will be over in about 2 months. There will be some considerable turnover. One option could be to adjust the recipient list to all candiates for an MEP seat or those with realistic chances of getting elected. After all, those candidates might be in a good mood to listen to suggestions right now.
- The term "Public domain of publicly-funded works" might be
perceived in two possible ways: Open Access to publicly funded works and Public Domain of Government works. Given the framework agreements such as Berne Convention and others, it will be unlikely to deny copyright protection just because funding came from a public source.
- I really like the idea of illustrations. The picture of Big Ben and
a crossed out European flagpole installation however might be interpreted slightly different than intended. Spending time and effort (and possibly even money) to get a layout that is appealing to the eye is definitely worth it.
- Size. Three pages might exceed the attention span of your target
audience.
Mathias
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2014-03-14 9:54 GMT+01:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com:
As to Mathias' comment on the MEPs: Yes, there will be some considerable turnover, but at the same time politicians are most likely to pay attention to such a thing before election time. Sending it out just to the ones we believe might get reelected would be - diplomatically speaking - bad diplomacy. Can't we just resend it after the elections to just the newly elected MEPs?
There is already too much bad diplomacy out there, so thanks for Dimis argument. As you can see from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kin..., the number of parties who did send MEPs to Brussels was considerable. It would be possible to send such a letter to the parties before the election and to the specific elected MEPs afterwards.
Thank you everyone for your thoughtful comments. These will be taken into consideration for the final version of the letter which is likely to be printed and posted today.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 14 March 2014 09:11, Mathias Schindler mathias.schindler@wikimedia.dewrote:
2014-03-14 9:54 GMT+01:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com:
As to Mathias' comment on the MEPs: Yes, there will be some considerable turnover, but at the same time politicians are most likely to pay
attention
to such a thing before election time. Sending it out just to the ones we believe might get reelected would be - diplomatically speaking - bad diplomacy. Can't we just resend it after the elections to just the newly elected MEPs?
There is already too much bad diplomacy out there, so thanks for Dimis argument. As you can see from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kin... , the number of parties who did send MEPs to Brussels was considerable. It would be possible to send such a letter to the parties before the election and to the specific elected MEPs afterwards.
Advocacy_Advisors mailing list Advocacy_Advisors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors
I'm surprised to see this isn't on the WMUK wiki/list - maybe ask the WMUK community what they think before sending it?
Thanks, Mike
On 14 Mar 2014, at 09:28, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Thank you everyone for your thoughtful comments. These will be taken into consideration for the final version of the letter which is likely to be printed and posted today.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 14 March 2014 09:11, Mathias Schindler mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de wrote: 2014-03-14 9:54 GMT+01:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com:
As to Mathias' comment on the MEPs: Yes, there will be some considerable turnover, but at the same time politicians are most likely to pay attention to such a thing before election time. Sending it out just to the ones we believe might get reelected would be - diplomatically speaking - bad diplomacy. Can't we just resend it after the elections to just the newly elected MEPs?
There is already too much bad diplomacy out there, so thanks for Dimis argument. As you can see from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kin..., the number of parties who did send MEPs to Brussels was considerable. It would be possible to send such a letter to the parties before the election and to the specific elected MEPs afterwards.
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Hello again,
Just to pick this up once more.
Matthias, I take your point about the turnover of MEPs. But the sooner we get this out, the sooner people begin paying attention. If we wait for a perfect time - like some other groups - we will likely get lost in the noise. There's no reason we can't follow-up with newly elected MEPs in the summer. Also, I see what you mean about Big Ben potentially being misinterpreted. It's also not a great example as it would be out of copyright anyway, so am going to use a different image.
Bence - that was a useful spot, thank you. The updated version has the links as footnotes.
I'm going to make some changes to the letter today and I'm hoping to get the final version printed and sent by the end of the week.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 14 March 2014 09:28, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Thank you everyone for your thoughtful comments. These will be taken into consideration for the final version of the letter which is likely to be printed and posted today.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 14 March 2014 09:11, Mathias Schindler mathias.schindler@wikimedia.dewrote:
2014-03-14 9:54 GMT+01:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com:
As to Mathias' comment on the MEPs: Yes, there will be some considerable turnover, but at the same time politicians are most likely to pay
attention
to such a thing before election time. Sending it out just to the ones we believe might get reelected would be - diplomatically speaking - bad diplomacy. Can't we just resend it after the elections to just the newly elected MEPs?
There is already too much bad diplomacy out there, so thanks for Dimis argument. As you can see from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kin... , the number of parties who did send MEPs to Brussels was considerable. It would be possible to send such a letter to the parties before the election and to the specific elected MEPs afterwards.
Advocacy_Advisors mailing list Advocacy_Advisors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors
--
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Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
Hello again,
Thanks once more for the useful feedback. The letter has now been sent. The final print version can be seen at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:Letter_to_MEPs_with_images.pdf
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 19 March 2014 12:56, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Hello again,
Just to pick this up once more.
Matthias, I take your point about the turnover of MEPs. But the sooner we get this out, the sooner people begin paying attention. If we wait for a perfect time - like some other groups - we will likely get lost in the noise. There's no reason we can't follow-up with newly elected MEPs in the summer. Also, I see what you mean about Big Ben potentially being misinterpreted. It's also not a great example as it would be out of copyright anyway, so am going to use a different image.
Bence - that was a useful spot, thank you. The updated version has the links as footnotes.
I'm going to make some changes to the letter today and I'm hoping to get the final version printed and sent by the end of the week.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 14 March 2014 09:28, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Thank you everyone for your thoughtful comments. These will be taken into consideration for the final version of the letter which is likely to be printed and posted today.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 14 March 2014 09:11, Mathias Schindler <mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de
wrote:
2014-03-14 9:54 GMT+01:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com:
As to Mathias' comment on the MEPs: Yes, there will be some
considerable
turnover, but at the same time politicians are most likely to pay
attention
to such a thing before election time. Sending it out just to the ones
we
believe might get reelected would be - diplomatically speaking - bad diplomacy. Can't we just resend it after the elections to just the
newly
elected MEPs?
There is already too much bad diplomacy out there, so thanks for Dimis argument. As you can see from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kin... , the number of parties who did send MEPs to Brussels was considerable. It would be possible to send such a letter to the parties before the election and to the specific elected MEPs afterwards.
Advocacy_Advisors mailing list Advocacy_Advisors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors
--
Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
--
Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
Hey everyone,
Thanks for the initiative! A point that might be taken into account for future initiatives: Instead of talking just about "our" situation (we can't use), we imho should frame this as a general problem: "Free and open media can't use ..." or s.th. like that ...
Cheerio Niko
Nikolas Becker
Chair of the Board/Vorsitzender Wikimedia Deutschland e. V.
Tempelhofer Ufer 23/24 10963 Berlin
www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
2014-03-21 9:12 GMT-07:00 Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk:
Hello again,
Thanks once more for the useful feedback. The letter has now been sent. The final print version can be seen at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:Letter_to_MEPs_with_images.pdf
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 19 March 2014 12:56, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Hello again,
Just to pick this up once more.
Matthias, I take your point about the turnover of MEPs. But the sooner we get this out, the sooner people begin paying attention. If we wait for a perfect time - like some other groups - we will likely get lost in the noise. There's no reason we can't follow-up with newly elected MEPs in the summer. Also, I see what you mean about Big Ben potentially being misinterpreted. It's also not a great example as it would be out of copyright anyway, so am going to use a different image.
Bence - that was a useful spot, thank you. The updated version has the links as footnotes.
I'm going to make some changes to the letter today and I'm hoping to get the final version printed and sent by the end of the week.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 14 March 2014 09:28, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Thank you everyone for your thoughtful comments. These will be taken into consideration for the final version of the letter which is likely to be printed and posted today.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 14 March 2014 09:11, Mathias Schindler < mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de> wrote:
2014-03-14 9:54 GMT+01:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com:
As to Mathias' comment on the MEPs: Yes, there will be some
considerable
turnover, but at the same time politicians are most likely to pay
attention
to such a thing before election time. Sending it out just to the ones
we
believe might get reelected would be - diplomatically speaking - bad diplomacy. Can't we just resend it after the elections to just the
newly
elected MEPs?
There is already too much bad diplomacy out there, so thanks for Dimis argument. As you can see from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kin... , the number of parties who did send MEPs to Brussels was considerable. It would be possible to send such a letter to the parties before the election and to the specific elected MEPs afterwards.
Advocacy_Advisors mailing list Advocacy_Advisors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors
--
Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
--
Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
--
Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
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Hello everyone,
Nikolas, sorry I didn't respond to this before, I must have missed your message. Your point is certainly valid and I'll bear it in mind for any future activity.
On the Wikimedia UK letter to local MEPs, we've had four messages of support so far, representing the three largest political parties here. This is just a start and I am sure more will follow. I'll offer an update at a later time.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 21 March 2014 18:19, Nikolas Becker nikolas.becker@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hey everyone,
Thanks for the initiative! A point that might be taken into account for future initiatives: Instead of talking just about "our" situation (we can't use), we imho should frame this as a general problem: "Free and open media can't use ..." or s.th. like that ...
Cheerio Niko
Nikolas Becker
Chair of the Board/Vorsitzender Wikimedia Deutschland e. V.
Tempelhofer Ufer 23/24 10963 Berlin
www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
2014-03-21 9:12 GMT-07:00 Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk:
Hello again,
Thanks once more for the useful feedback. The letter has now been sent. The final print version can be seen at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:Letter_to_MEPs_with_images.pdf
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 19 March 2014 12:56, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Hello again,
Just to pick this up once more.
Matthias, I take your point about the turnover of MEPs. But the sooner we get this out, the sooner people begin paying attention. If we wait for a perfect time - like some other groups - we will likely get lost in the noise. There's no reason we can't follow-up with newly elected MEPs in the summer. Also, I see what you mean about Big Ben potentially being misinterpreted. It's also not a great example as it would be out of copyright anyway, so am going to use a different image.
Bence - that was a useful spot, thank you. The updated version has the links as footnotes.
I'm going to make some changes to the letter today and I'm hoping to get the final version printed and sent by the end of the week.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 14 March 2014 09:28, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Thank you everyone for your thoughtful comments. These will be taken into consideration for the final version of the letter which is likely to be printed and posted today.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 14 March 2014 09:11, Mathias Schindler < mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de> wrote:
2014-03-14 9:54 GMT+01:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com:
As to Mathias' comment on the MEPs: Yes, there will be some
considerable
turnover, but at the same time politicians are most likely to pay
attention
to such a thing before election time. Sending it out just to the
ones we
believe might get reelected would be - diplomatically speaking - bad diplomacy. Can't we just resend it after the elections to just the
newly
elected MEPs?
There is already too much bad diplomacy out there, so thanks for Dimis argument. As you can see from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kin... , the number of parties who did send MEPs to Brussels was considerable. It would be possible to send such a letter to the parties before the election and to the specific elected MEPs afterwards.
Advocacy_Advisors mailing list Advocacy_Advisors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors
--
Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
--
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Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
--
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*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
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Hey Stevie,
Absolutely great to hear it has already received some positive replies. I am getting excited. Make sure you follow up on the people who replied and try to build up a relationship with them.
Could you perhaps give us a short presentation about this initiative at the Big Fat Brussels Meeting Vol. 2https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/EU_Policy/Big_Fat_Brussels_Meeting_Vol._2? I believe this is a project that can very well be upscaled and made in other EU countries. What a great chance to transfer know-how across the movement and build capacity to represent our interests.
Cheers, Dimi
2014-04-02 15:19 GMT+02:00 Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk:
Hello everyone,
Nikolas, sorry I didn't respond to this before, I must have missed your message. Your point is certainly valid and I'll bear it in mind for any future activity.
On the Wikimedia UK letter to local MEPs, we've had four messages of support so far, representing the three largest political parties here. This is just a start and I am sure more will follow. I'll offer an update at a later time.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 21 March 2014 18:19, Nikolas Becker nikolas.becker@wikimedia.dewrote:
Hey everyone,
Thanks for the initiative! A point that might be taken into account for future initiatives: Instead of talking just about "our" situation (we can't use), we imho should frame this as a general problem: "Free and open media can't use ..." or s.th. like that ...
Cheerio Niko
Nikolas Becker
Chair of the Board/Vorsitzender Wikimedia Deutschland e. V.
Tempelhofer Ufer 23/24 10963 Berlin
www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
2014-03-21 9:12 GMT-07:00 Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk:
Hello again,
Thanks once more for the useful feedback. The letter has now been sent. The final print version can be seen at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:Letter_to_MEPs_with_images.pdf
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 19 March 2014 12:56, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Hello again,
Just to pick this up once more.
Matthias, I take your point about the turnover of MEPs. But the sooner we get this out, the sooner people begin paying attention. If we wait for a perfect time - like some other groups - we will likely get lost in the noise. There's no reason we can't follow-up with newly elected MEPs in the summer. Also, I see what you mean about Big Ben potentially being misinterpreted. It's also not a great example as it would be out of copyright anyway, so am going to use a different image.
Bence - that was a useful spot, thank you. The updated version has the links as footnotes.
I'm going to make some changes to the letter today and I'm hoping to get the final version printed and sent by the end of the week.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 14 March 2014 09:28, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Thank you everyone for your thoughtful comments. These will be taken into consideration for the final version of the letter which is likely to be printed and posted today.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 14 March 2014 09:11, Mathias Schindler < mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de> wrote:
2014-03-14 9:54 GMT+01:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com:
> As to Mathias' comment on the MEPs: Yes, there will be some considerable > turnover, but at the same time politicians are most likely to pay attention > to such a thing before election time. Sending it out just to the ones we > believe might get reelected would be - diplomatically speaking - bad > diplomacy. Can't we just resend it after the elections to just the newly > elected MEPs?
There is already too much bad diplomacy out there, so thanks for Dimis argument. As you can see from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kin... , the number of parties who did send MEPs to Brussels was considerable. It would be possible to send such a letter to the parties before the election and to the specific elected MEPs afterwards.
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Hello Dimi,
I am more than happy to speak about this at the meeting in Brussels and think it would be useful! I shall prepare something.
Many thanks,
Stevie
On 2 April 2014 14:39, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Stevie,
Absolutely great to hear it has already received some positive replies. I am getting excited. Make sure you follow up on the people who replied and try to build up a relationship with them.
Could you perhaps give us a short presentation about this initiative at the Big Fat Brussels Meeting Vol. 2https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/EU_Policy/Big_Fat_Brussels_Meeting_Vol._2? I believe this is a project that can very well be upscaled and made in other EU countries. What a great chance to transfer know-how across the movement and build capacity to represent our interests.
Cheers, Dimi
2014-04-02 15:19 GMT+02:00 Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk:
Hello everyone,
Nikolas, sorry I didn't respond to this before, I must have missed your message. Your point is certainly valid and I'll bear it in mind for any future activity.
On the Wikimedia UK letter to local MEPs, we've had four messages of support so far, representing the three largest political parties here. This is just a start and I am sure more will follow. I'll offer an update at a later time.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 21 March 2014 18:19, Nikolas Becker nikolas.becker@wikimedia.dewrote:
Hey everyone,
Thanks for the initiative! A point that might be taken into account for future initiatives: Instead of talking just about "our" situation (we can't use), we imho should frame this as a general problem: "Free and open media can't use ..." or s.th. like that ...
Cheerio Niko
Nikolas Becker
Chair of the Board/Vorsitzender Wikimedia Deutschland e. V.
Tempelhofer Ufer 23/24 10963 Berlin
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2014-03-21 9:12 GMT-07:00 Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk :
Hello again,
Thanks once more for the useful feedback. The letter has now been sent. The final print version can be seen at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:Letter_to_MEPs_with_images.pdf
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 19 March 2014 12:56, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Hello again,
Just to pick this up once more.
Matthias, I take your point about the turnover of MEPs. But the sooner we get this out, the sooner people begin paying attention. If we wait for a perfect time - like some other groups - we will likely get lost in the noise. There's no reason we can't follow-up with newly elected MEPs in the summer. Also, I see what you mean about Big Ben potentially being misinterpreted. It's also not a great example as it would be out of copyright anyway, so am going to use a different image.
Bence - that was a useful spot, thank you. The updated version has the links as footnotes.
I'm going to make some changes to the letter today and I'm hoping to get the final version printed and sent by the end of the week.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 14 March 2014 09:28, Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
Thank you everyone for your thoughtful comments. These will be taken into consideration for the final version of the letter which is likely to be printed and posted today.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 14 March 2014 09:11, Mathias Schindler < mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> 2014-03-14 9:54 GMT+01:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov > dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com: > > > > As to Mathias' comment on the MEPs: Yes, there will be some > considerable > > turnover, but at the same time politicians are most likely to pay > attention > > to such a thing before election time. Sending it out just to the > ones we > > believe might get reelected would be - diplomatically speaking - > bad > > diplomacy. Can't we just resend it after the elections to just the > newly > > elected MEPs? > > There is already too much bad diplomacy out there, so thanks for > Dimis > argument. As you can see from > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kin... > , > the number of parties who did send MEPs to Brussels was considerable. > It would be possible to send such a letter to the parties before the > election and to the specific elected MEPs afterwards. > > _______________________________________________ > Advocacy_Advisors mailing list > Advocacy_Advisors@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors >
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