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Subject: Re: [Textbook-l] [Offline-l] FYI - WMF pausing and deprecating
some functionality
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 12:28:13 +0100
From: Dirk Hünniger <dirk.hunniger(a)googlemail.com>
To: Wikimedia textbook discussion <textbook-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>,
Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>, Using Wikimedia projects and
MediaWiki offline <offline-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, Jon Katz
<jkatz(a)wikimedia.org>
CC: discussion list for Wikisource, the free library
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Hi,
my tool is also a solution to the problem.
https://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Benutzer:Dirk_Huenniger/wb2pdf
Yours Dirk
On 06.12.2017 11:52, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> Jon Katz, 22/11/2017 03:29:
>> The issue you raise, is a known issue being tracked and worked on here
>
> The issue I raise is that you should not make a change that makes life
> worse for all users. The feature is currently useless in 100 % of
> cases, so you should have rolled back immediately to the previous
> system as long as it works even in 0,1 % of the cases.
>
> For now, I'm telling people to use the PediaPress book builder and
> ignore the PDFs produced by Wikimedia Foundation. This is not
> sustainable.
>
> Federico
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Nicolas VIGNERON, 11/10/2017 20:32:
> should we try to integrate WSexport functionalities into more general
> tool? (for the second option, we need to exchange about our specific
> needs and desires).
This was already done with mwlib for ZIM and EPUB, but then WMF trashed
it. Three years ago we were told "ePUB and ZIM are likely to return",
now how much do you believe PDFs will ever work again?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2014-September/0…https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97672https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73660
The Italian Wikisource users have used PDF exports nonetheless for a few
things, although they are not as useful as the ZIM exports. Please don't
rely on assumptions about uselessness of something for you to decide
that it's fine to make that something worse.
Federico
Hey offliners,
In case you're interested, the Foundation will be working to replace OCG
over the coming months. I wanted to make sure you're aware in case you rely
on any of this infrastructure and/or have plans for further development
dependent on it.
What this means in the short term is that PDF book rendering (through Book
Creator) will be shut off for a few months at least while a suitable
replacement is researched, tested, and built.
Here's the full write up:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/PDF_Functionality
Let me know if you have any questions or if this has major impact to your
work.
Cheers,
Anne
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https://wikimediafoundation.org/
*Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
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Hi
The whole Kiwix team is proud to announce the first release of Kiwix JS
for Windows (mobile) devices. It is available in the Microsoft app
store: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/store/p/kiwix-js/9p8slz4j979j
Kiwix JS for Windows runs on all recent Windows OSes but is in
particular thought for Windows Mobile and all Windows based mobile users
for whom we had so far no solution.
The app has been developed in the last 6 months based on the Kiwix JS
code base already used in Kiwix Firefox and Chrome Web extensions. It is
not fully featured like Kiwix for Android or iOS and is a bit slower...
but it is still really easy to use and can read all ZIM files.
We really hope it will find its public and that we will be supported
with feedbacks.
Regards
Emmanuel
--
Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline & more
* Web: http://www.kiwix.org
* Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline
* more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication
Hi
Kiwix ist a free software project aiming to provide access to free
knowledge to people without access to Internet. It is supported by the
Wikimedia movement, of Wikipedia fame.
Kiwix is a 10 years old software suite developed to give access to Web
content to people with no Internet access. It works a bit like a digital
offline library.
Its older piece, Kiwix desktop, is a classic desktop application for
Windows and Linux which reads data files with the extension *.zim. It
displays the content like a Web browser would do.
Based on the deprecated Xulrunner framework of Mozilla, Kiwix desktop
has now reached it end of lifecycle and also urgently needs a full
revamping of its user interface, using the Qt windowing library.
As far as features go, the new version of kiwix-desktop should more or
less offer the same functionalities as the older version:
* Portable on Windows/Linux
* Internationalization and localization support
* Remote and local library management
* Loading, displaying an searching in the ZIM files
* Tabulations
* Bookmarking/reading list
Most of the application’s “core” already exists as a software library
called Kiwix library. Most of the work is about binding it with a new –
and yet to be created – user interface.
You would work in close collaboration with a UX expert/UI designer and
with the C++ developer of the core library kiwix-lib. This work is part
of a more global effort to improve the Kiwix software as a whole.
You are a developer committed to (or at least familiar with) open source
software, and familiar with GNU/Linux. You already have a small working
experience with Qt and C++ (on personal projects for example). Ideally
you will to share, explain, and demonstrate a past project (for example
on Github).
This internship is paid ~1000€/month and takes place in Lyon, France.
The work will be organised and framed by an experienced developer
familiar with the project.
Candidates interested by this internship should send an email (cover
letter and CV) to Matthieu Gautier (mgautier at kymeria.fr).
Here is the online version of this open position:
http://www.kiwix.org/internship-c-qt-6-months/
Regards
Emmanuel
--
Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline & more
* Web: http://www.kiwix.org
* Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline
* more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication
Hi
Kiwix is a 10 years old software suite developed to give access to Web
content to people with no Internet access. It works a bit like a digital
offline library.
Its older piece, Kiwix desktop, is a classic desktop application for
Windows and Linux which reads data files with the extension *.zim. It
displays the content like a Web browser would do.
Based on the deprecated Xulrunner framework of Mozilla, Kiwix desktop
has now reached it end of lifecycle and also urgently needs a full
revamping of its user interface, using the Qt windowing library.
As far as features go, the new version of kiwix-desktop should more or
less offer the same functionalities as the older version:
* Portable on Windows/Linux
* Internationalization and localization support
* Remote and local library management
* Loading, displaying an searching in the ZIM files
* Tabulations
* Bookmarking/reading list
Most of the application’s “core” already exists as a software library
called Kiwix library. Most of the work is about binding it with a new –
and yet to be created – user interface.
You would work in close collaboration with a UX expert/UI designer and
with the C++ developer of the core library kiwix-lib. This work is part
of a more global effort to improve the Kiwix software as a whole.
You are a developer committed to (or at least familiar with) open source
software, and familiar with GNU/Linux. You already have a small working
experience with Qt and C++ (on personal projects for example). Ideally
you will to share, explain, and demonstrate a past project (for example
on Github).
This internship is paid ~1000€/month and takes place in Lyon, France.
The work will be organised and framed by an experienced developer
familiar with the project.
Candidates interested by this internship should send an email (cover
letter and CV) to Matthieu Gautier (mgautier at kymeria.fr).
Here is the online version of this open position:
http://www.kiwix.org/internship-c-qt-6-months/
Regards
Emmanuel
--
Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline & more
* Web: http://www.kiwix.org
* Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline
* more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication
That's right, Nicolas.
Wikisource and Wikibooks do not use OCG for most of their PDF rendering.
This pause of functionality will only impact PDFs created through Book
Creator, and not impact the workflows you describe as you're using
different rendering services for PDFs. Books previously generated using OCG
will not be impacted, either.
Wikibooks does have the book creator tool, called "Creation Collector,"
which will be impacted. I'm not sure how much it's used there.
Unfortunately, OCG is in a state where it can't be maintained and we need
to deprecate it in order to maintain security. There are other reasons for
moving to a new service. For example, OCG can't render tables. If you look
at the mediawiki page I linked earlier[1] you can see the rest of the
rationale and the timeline for the changes.
I'm adding Olga Vasileva, the product manager leading this work, for any
further questions.
Thanks,
Anne
1- https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/PDF_Functionality
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:01 AM, Nicolas VIGNERON <
vigneron.nicolas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Maybe I'm misunderstood the situation but I'm not sure to understand the
> problem: does anyone use OCG?
>
> I thought that not one use it anymore (if it was ever used... at least onf
> the French wikisource it never really worked well as it didn't understand
> the 'pages' tag we use on almost all pages) and we have our own
> PDF/ePub/mobi generator (https://tools.wmflabs.org/wsexport/tool/book.php).
> SO don't we all use WSexport?
>
> I see very few pages on https://en.wikisource.org/w/
> index.php?title=Special:PrefixIndex&prefix=Wikisource:Books/ , most of
> them generated a long time ago, so I don't think that this will have any
> impact on Wikisource.
>
> Cdlt, ~nicolas
>
--
*Anne Gomez* // Senior Program Manager, New Readers
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_Readers>
https://wikimediafoundation.org/
*Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment. Donate
<http://donate.wikimedia.org>. *
Hey All
Hardware arrived today for 100 devices. I have 12 assembled so far.
Final average cost of the hardwards is 27 USD.
I am planning to accept orders through a Google doc form.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdmSX2TOhwAhIRCGfkIv2Don5o58vVcv5q…
I will than email people and inform them of the exact cost with
shipping and taxes included. They will than be asked to deposit money
into WPMEDF's paypal account and the device will than be shipped.
Further thoughts?
--
James Heilman
MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
Cross-post.
-Adam
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From: Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org>
Date: Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 4:16 PM
Subject: Demo of offline in the Wikipedia for Android app
To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Hi all -
I wanted to share a cool demo with you recorded by Dmitry Brant from the
apps team at the Wikimedia Foundation. Dmitry demos an alpha version of the
app that adds support for offline ZIM files.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iESP20HGPiE
The feature will be undergoing some changes based on the research Dmitry
mentions. To learn more about the research Dmitry mentions in the video,
see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Offline_
support/V1_User_research.
Enjoy!
-Adam
I would agree that among the general public size below 100 mbs is
desired. Among professionals in a specific topic area I bet the
pattern will be different as we have nearly 100 K active users of the
offline medical apps.
James
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> Hello offliners!
>
> The Foundation has been working on building in support for ZIM files to the
> Android App for Wikipedia. We're been in touch with Emmanuel quite a bit
> about how this might work.
>
> We've taken on some user research in 2 forms to support this work.
>
> 1. An online usability study using usertesting.com
> 2. An on the ground study in Pune, India
>
> You can see the results from both studies here (linked in "Research
> findings"):
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Offline_support/V1_User_resea…
>
> The biggest takeaways that I think will be interesting to you folks are
> around size and topic of content. Respondents are largely uninterested in
> large file sizes (over 100MB) and would prefer that these files be very
> topic specific. These are people working from their own Android phones, who
> have connectivity at least some of the time.
>
> Let me know if you have any questions.
> Anne
>
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> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_Readers>
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/
>
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