On this page - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions - it is possible to disable images across the mobile site.
How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some data?
I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an option and leave it to the browser to take care of...
We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy enough to measure and get into a sprint.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
On this page - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions - it is possible to disable images across the mobile site.
How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some data?
I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an option and leave it to the browser to take care of...
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like Special:MobileOptions constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof definition, but a good enough one).
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy enough to measure and get into a sprint.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
On this page - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions - it is possible to disable images across the mobile site.
How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some data?
I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an option and leave it to the browser to take care of...
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this feature is....
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like Special:MobileOptions constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof definition, but a good enough one).
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy enough to measure and get into a sprint.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
On this page - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions - it is possible to disable images across the mobile site.
How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some data?
I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an option and leave it to the browser to take care of...
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look at percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable difference.
Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing DOMParse wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement right below it?
As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia Zero for Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are POSTs (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the user hits "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can somewhat safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe 500 users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by implication) hit "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, particularly in the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller story, I suppose.
-Adam
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this feature is....
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like Special:MobileOptions constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof definition, but
a
good enough one).
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org
wrote:
We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy enough to measure and get into a sprint.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com
wrote:
On this page - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions- it is possible to disable images across the mobile site.
How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some
data?
I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an option and leave it to the browser to take care of...
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
-- Jon Robson
Poke. I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in mobile web I think this is a good idea.
I created a story https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 in the hope we might explore this.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look at percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable difference.
Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing DOMParse wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement right below it?
As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia Zero for Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are POSTs (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the user hits "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can somewhat safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe 500 users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by implication) hit "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, particularly in the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller story, I suppose.
-Adam
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this feature is....
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like Special:MobileOptions constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof definition, but a good enough one).
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy enough to measure and get into a sprint.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
On this page - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions
it is possible to disable images across the mobile site.
How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some data?
I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an option and leave it to the browser to take care of...
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
-- Jon Robson
You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a backend event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event logging solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event logging would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices without JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those with it.
Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on 20140310 log data.
Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content served) - 0.09% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8%
General m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content served) - 0.02% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9%
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Poke. I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in mobile web I think this is a good idea.
I created a story https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 in the hope we might explore this.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look at percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable difference.
Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing DOMParse wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement
right
below it?
As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia Zero
for
Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are POSTs (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the user
hits
"Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can
somewhat
safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe 500 users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by implication)
hit
"Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, particularly in the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller story,
I
suppose.
-Adam
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this feature is....
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like Special:MobileOptions constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof definition,
but
a good enough one).
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy enough to measure and get into a sprint.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
On this page -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions
it is possible to disable images across the mobile site.
How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some data?
I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an option and leave it to the browser to take care of...
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
-- Jon Robson
-- Jon Robson
Exactly.
According to click tracking the settings page gets 200 clicks a day (compared to Watchlist which gets around 5K) - although note this clicktracking is only limited to users of high end phones (requires JavaScript). I think these metrics would be very useful to have and would let us get a better idea of our users.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a backend event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event logging solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event logging would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices without JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those with it.
Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on 20140310 log data.
Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content served) - 0.09% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8%
General m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content served) - 0.02% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9%
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Poke. I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in mobile web I think this is a good idea.
I created a story https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 in the hope we might explore this.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look at percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable difference.
Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing DOMParse wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement right below it?
As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia Zero for Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are POSTs (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the user hits "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can somewhat safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe 500 users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by implication) hit "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, particularly in the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller story, I suppose.
-Adam
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this feature is....
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like Special:MobileOptions constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof definition, but a good enough one).
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy enough to measure and get into a sprint.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote: > On this page - > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions > - > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. > > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some > data? > > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an > option > and leave it to the browser to take care of... > > _______________________________________________ > Mobile-l mailing list > Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
-- Jon Robson
-- Jon Robson
Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a bit during today's planning meeting.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly.
According to click tracking the settings page gets 200 clicks a day (compared to Watchlist which gets around 5K) - although note this clicktracking is only limited to users of high end phones (requires JavaScript). I think these metrics would be very useful to have and would let us get a better idea of our users.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a
backend
event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event logging solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event
logging
would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices
without
JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those with
it.
Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on 20140310
log
data.
Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content
served) -
0.09% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8%
General m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content
served) -
0.02% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9%
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Poke. I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in mobile web I think this is a good idea.
I created a story https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 in the hope we might explore this.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look at percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable difference.
Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing
DOMParse
wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement right below it?
As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia Zero for Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are POSTs (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the
user
hits "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can somewhat safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe
500
users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by implication) hit "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, particularly in the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller
story,
I suppose.
-Adam
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com
wrote:
Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this feature is....
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like
Special:MobileOptions
constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof
definition,
but a good enough one).
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote: > > We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy > enough to measure and get into a sprint. > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com > wrote: > > On this page - > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions > > - > > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. > > > > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get
some
> > data? > > > > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an > > option > > and leave it to the browser to take care of... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mobile-l mailing list > > Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > > _______________________________________________ > Mobile-l mailing list > Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
-- Jon Robson
-- Jon Robson
-- Jon Robson
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
If you happen to pursue this card, it's implicit, but was hoping you could tag in the disposition of whether it's W0-scoped or not. The flag in the data should be generic, like "w0" if it's W0.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Arthur Richards arichards@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a bit during today's planning meeting.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly.
According to click tracking the settings page gets 200 clicks a day (compared to Watchlist which gets around 5K) - although note this clicktracking is only limited to users of high end phones (requires JavaScript). I think these metrics would be very useful to have and would let us get a better idea of our users.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a
backend
event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event logging solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event
logging
would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices
without
JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those with
it.
Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on
20140310 log
data.
Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content
served) -
0.09% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8%
General m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content
served) -
0.02% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9%
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com
wrote:
Poke. I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in mobile web I think this is a good idea.
I created a story https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 in the hope we might explore this.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look at percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable difference.
Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing
DOMParse
wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement right below it?
As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia
Zero
for Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are
POSTs
(POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the
user
hits "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can somewhat safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe
500
users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by
implication)
hit "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists,
particularly
in the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller
story,
I suppose.
-Adam
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com
wrote:
Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this feature is....
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org
wrote:
> Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like
Special:MobileOptions
> constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof
definition,
> but > a > good enough one). > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc <tfinc@wikimedia.org
> wrote: >> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson@gmail.com
>> wrote: >> > On this page - >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions >> > - >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. >> > >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get
some
>> > data? >> > >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an >> > option >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of... >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mobile-l mailing list >> > Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mobile-l mailing list >> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > >
-- Jon Robson
-- Jon Robson
-- Jon Robson
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
-- Arthur Richards Software Engineer, Mobile [[User:Awjrichards]] IRC: awjr +1-415-839-6885 x6687
Arthur if you look 2 replies up you'll see I did :) https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
If you happen to pursue this card, it's implicit, but was hoping you could tag in the disposition of whether it's W0-scoped or not. The flag in the data should be generic, like "w0" if it's W0.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Arthur Richards arichards@wikimedia.org wrote:
Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a bit during today's planning meeting.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly.
According to click tracking the settings page gets 200 clicks a day (compared to Watchlist which gets around 5K) - although note this clicktracking is only limited to users of high end phones (requires JavaScript). I think these metrics would be very useful to have and would let us get a better idea of our users.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a backend event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event logging solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event logging would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices without JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those with it.
Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on 20140310 log data.
Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content served) - 0.09% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8%
General m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content served) - 0.02% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9%
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Poke. I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in mobile web I think this is a good idea.
I created a story https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 in the hope we might explore this.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look at percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable difference.
Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing DOMParse wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement right below it?
As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia Zero for Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are POSTs (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the user hits "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can somewhat safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe 500 users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by implication) hit "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, particularly in the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller story, I suppose.
-Adam
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote: > > Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on > Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not > sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it > possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is > set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this > feature is.... > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org > wrote: > > Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like > > Special:MobileOptions > > constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof > > definition, > > but > > a > > good enough one). > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc > > tfinc@wikimedia.org > > wrote: > >> > >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be > >> easy > >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson > >> jdlrobson@gmail.com > >> wrote: > >> > On this page - > >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions > >> > - > >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. > >> > > >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get > >> > some > >> > data? > >> > > >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as > >> > an > >> > option > >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of... > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Mobile-l mailing list > >> > Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mobile-l mailing list > >> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > > > > > > > > -- > Jon Robson > * http://jonrobson.me.uk > * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson > * @rakugojon
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Oops, sorry I missed that :p At least we've got it scheduled now for next iteration.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Arthur if you look 2 replies up you'll see I did :) https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
If you happen to pursue this card, it's implicit, but was hoping you
could
tag in the disposition of whether it's W0-scoped or not. The flag in the data should be generic, like "w0" if it's W0.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Arthur Richards <
arichards@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a bit during
today's
planning meeting.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com
wrote:
Exactly.
According to click tracking the settings page gets 200 clicks a day (compared to Watchlist which gets around 5K) - although note this clicktracking is only limited to users of high end phones (requires JavaScript). I think these metrics would be very useful to have and would let us get a better idea of our users.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org
wrote:
You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a backend event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event logging solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event logging would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices without JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those
with
it.
Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on 20140310 log data.
Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content served) - 0.09% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8%
General m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content served) - 0.02% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9%
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Poke. I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to
know
the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as
those
that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to
have
on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it
in
mobile web I think this is a good idea.
I created a story
https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757
in the hope we might explore this.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote: > Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look > at > percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot
for
> Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any
measurable
> difference. > > Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing > DOMParse > wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog
statement
> right > below it? > > As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia > Zero > for > Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are > POSTs > (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the > user > hits > "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown
on
> Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can > somewhat > safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of
maybe
> 500 > users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by > implication) > hit > "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, > particularly > in > the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number
of
> no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller > story, > I > suppose. > > -Adam > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on >> Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm
not
>> sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it >> possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie
is
>> set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this >> feature is.... >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org >> wrote: >> > Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like >> > Special:MobileOptions >> > constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof >> > definition, >> > but >> > a >> > good enough one). >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc >> > tfinc@wikimedia.org >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be >> >> easy >> >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson >> >> jdlrobson@gmail.com >> >> wrote: >> >> > On this page - >> >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions >> >> > - >> >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. >> >> > >> >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get >> >> > some >> >> > data? >> >> > >> >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as >> >> > an >> >> > option >> >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of... >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Mobile-l mailing list >> >> > Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mobile-l mailing list >> >> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Jon Robson >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson >> * @rakugojon > >
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-- Jon Robson
One concept we've toyed with is adding a "Text only" hyperlink at the top of the articles for access via mdot for Wikipedia Zero traffic only; the "text only" version would of course needs it hyperlink at the top to say "Turn images on". In either case, we haven't done this to date as I recall because it takes up more viewport space, which is already at a premium, and would add a little more clutter in any case.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like Special:MobileOptions constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof definition, but a good enough one).
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy enough to measure and get into a sprint.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
On this page - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions - it is possible to disable images across the mobile site.
How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some data?
I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an option and leave it to the browser to take care of...
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