Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a
bit during today's
planning meeting.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Exactly.
According to click tracking the settings page gets 200 clicks a day
(compared to Watchlist which gets around 5K) - although note this
clicktracking is only limited to users of high end phones (requires
JavaScript). I think these metrics would be very useful to have and
would let us get a better idea of our users.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
You're talking about having the origin
servers take POSTs and make a
backend
event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure
JavaScript event logging
solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event
logging
would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured
for both devices
without
JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging,
as well as those with
it.
Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of
Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of
Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on
20140310 log
data.
Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia:
Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content
served) -
0.09%
POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8%
General m.wikipedia:
Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content
served) -
0.02%
POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9%
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Poke.
> I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know
> the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging
> on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those
> that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have
> on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in
> mobile web I think this is a good idea.
>
> I created a story
>
https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757
> in the hope we might explore this.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> > Good question. I think we'd need to
log this origin side, and look at
> > percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for
> > Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable
> > difference.
> >
> > Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing
DOMParse
> > wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an
additional wfDebugLog statement
> > right
> > below it?
> >
> > As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia
Zero
> > for
> > Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are
POSTs
> > (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of
JavaScript support if the
user
> > hits
> > "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently
shown on
> > Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can
> > somewhat
> > safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe
500
> > users who (optionally) toggle the On |
Off switch and (by
implication)
> > hit
> > "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists,
particularly
> > in
> > the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of
> > no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller
story,
> > I
> > suppose.
> >
> > -Adam
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >> Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on
> >> Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not
> >> sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it
> >> possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie
is
> >> set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this
> >> feature is....
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> >> > Based on the 20140302 W0
logfile it looks like
Special:MobileOptions
> >> > constitutes about 1% of
"pageviews" (not the bulletproof
definition,
>>
> but
>> > a
>> > good enough one).
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc <tfinc(a)wikimedia.org
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy
>> >> enough to measure and get into a sprint.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > On this page -
> >> >> >
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions
> >> >> > -
> >> >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get
some
>>
>> > data?
>> >> >
>> >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an
>> >> > option
>> >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of...
>> >> >
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