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Jon Robson

4 Mar 2014 4 Mar '14

2:35 a.m.

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Tomasz Finc

4 Mar 4 Mar

3:04 a.m.

We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy enough to measure and get into a sprint. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

On this page - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions - it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some data? I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an option and leave it to the browser to take care of... _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l

Adam Baso

3:06 a.m.

Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like Special:MobileOptions constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof definition, but a good enough one). On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc <tfinc(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy enough to measure and get into a sprint. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Jon Robson

3:12 a.m.

...

We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy enough to measure and get into a sprint. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Adam Baso

3:12 a.m.

One concept we've toyed with is adding a "Text only" hyperlink at the top of the articles for access via mdot for Wikipedia Zero traffic only; the "text only" version would of course needs it hyperlink at the top to say "Turn images on". In either case, we haven't done this to date as I recall because it takes up more viewport space, which is already at a premium, and would add a little more clutter in any case. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy enough to measure and get into a sprint. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Adam Baso

4:22 a.m.

Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look at percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable difference. Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing DOMParse wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement right below it? As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia Zero for Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are POSTs (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the user hits "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can somewhat safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe 500 users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by implication) hit "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, particularly in the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller story, I suppose. -Adam On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like Special:MobileOptions constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof definition, but

good enough one). On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc <tfinc(a)wikimedia.org>

wrote:

> > We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy > enough to measure and get into a sprint. > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> > On this page - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions- > > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. > > > > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some

data?

I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an option and leave it to the browser to take care of... _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l

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Jon Robson

11 Mar 11 Mar

5:15 a.m.

Poke. I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in mobile web I think this is a good idea. I created a story https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 in the hope we might explore this. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy enough to measure and get into a sprint. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On this page - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions > - > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. > > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some > data? > > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an > option > and leave it to the browser to take care of... > > _______________________________________________ > Mobile-l mailing list > Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l

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Adam Baso

5:56 a.m.

...

right

below it? As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia Zero

for

Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are POSTs (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the user

hits

"Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can

somewhat

safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe 500 users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by implication)

hit

"Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, particularly in the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller story,

suppose. -Adam On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on > Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not > sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it > possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is > set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this > feature is.... > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > > Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like Special:MobileOptions > > constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof definition,

but

> > a > > good enough one). > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc <tfinc(a)wikimedia.org> > > wrote: > >> > >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy > >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > On this page -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions

> > - > > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. > > > > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some > > data? > > > > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an > > option > > and leave it to the browser to take care of... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mobile-l mailing list > > Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > > _______________________________________________ > Mobile-l mailing list > Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l

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Jon Robson

13 Mar 13 Mar

1:30 a.m.

Exactly. According to click tracking the settings page gets 200 clicks a day (compared to Watchlist which gets around 5K) - although note this clicktracking is only limited to users of high end phones (requires JavaScript). I think these metrics would be very useful to have and would let us get a better idea of our users. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this feature is.... On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like Special:MobileOptions > constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof definition, > but > a > good enough one). > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc <tfinc(a)wikimedia.org> > wrote: >> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > On this page - >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions >> > - >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. >> > >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some >> > data? >> > >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an >> > option >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of... >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mobile-l mailing list >> > Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mobile-l mailing list >> Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > > -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon

-- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon

Arthur Richards

1:58 a.m.

Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a bit during today's planning meeting. On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a

backend

event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event logging solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event

logging

would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices

without

JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those with

it.

Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on 20140310

log

data. Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content

served) -

0.09% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8% General m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content

served) -

0.02% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9% On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Poke. > I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know > the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging > on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those > that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have > on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in > mobile web I think this is a good idea. > > I created a story > https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 > in the hope we might explore this. > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > > Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look at > > percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for > > Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable > > difference. > > > > Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing

DOMParse

> > wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement > > right > > below it? > > > > As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia Zero > > for > > Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are POSTs > > (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the

user

> > hits > > "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on > > Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can > > somewhat > > safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe

500

> > users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by implication) > > hit > > "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, particularly > > in > > the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of > > no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller

story,

> > I > > suppose. > > > > -Adam > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> >> > >> Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on > >> Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not > >> sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it > >> possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is > >> set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this > >> feature is.... > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org>

wrote:

> >> > Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like

Special:MobileOptions

> >> > constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof

definition,

> >> > but > >> > a > >> > good enough one). > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc <tfinc(a)wikimedia.org> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy > >> >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > On this page - > >> >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions > >> >> > - > >> >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. > >> >> > > >> >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get

some

> >> > data? > >> > > >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an > >> > option > >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of... > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Mobile-l mailing list > >> > Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mobile-l mailing list > >> Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > > > > > > > > -- > Jon Robson > * http://jonrobson.me.uk > * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson > * @rakugojon

-- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon

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Adam Baso

2:09 a.m.

If you happen to pursue this card, it's implicit, but was hoping you could tag in the disposition of whether it's W0-scoped or not. The flag in the data should be generic, like "w0" if it's W0. On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Arthur Richards <arichards(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:

...

Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a bit during today's planning meeting. On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a

backend

event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event logging solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event

logging

would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices

without

JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those with

it.

Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on

20140310 log

data. Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content

served) -

0.09% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8% General m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content

served) -

0.02% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9% On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> > Poke. > I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know > the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging > on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those > that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have > on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in > mobile web I think this is a good idea. > > I created a story > https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 > in the hope we might explore this. > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org>

wrote:

> > Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look at > > percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for > > Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable > > difference. > > > > Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing

DOMParse

> > wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement > > right > > below it? > > > > As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia

Zero

> > for > > Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are

POSTs

> > (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the

user

500

> > users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by

implication)

> > hit > > "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists,

particularly

> > in > > the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of > > no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller

story,

> > I > > suppose. > > > > -Adam > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> >> > Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like

Special:MobileOptions

> >> > constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof

definition,

>> > but >> > a >> > good enough one). >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc <tfinc(a)wikimedia.org

>> > wrote: >> >> >> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy >> >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com

> >> >> wrote: > >> >> > On this page - > >> >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions > >> >> > - > >> >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. > >> >> > > >> >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get

some

>> >> > data? >> >> > >> >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an >> >> > option >> >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of... >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Mobile-l mailing list >> >> > Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mobile-l mailing list >> >> Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Jon Robson >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson >> * @rakugojon > > -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon

-- Arthur Richards Software Engineer, Mobile [[User:Awjrichards]] IRC: awjr +1-415-839-6885 x6687

Jon Robson

2:14 a.m.

Arthur if you look 2 replies up you'll see I did :) https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a bit during today's planning meeting. On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a backend event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event logging solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event logging would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices without JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those with it. Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on 20140310 log data. Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content served) - 0.09% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8% General m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content served) - 0.02% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9% On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Poke. > I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know > the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging > on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those > that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have > on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in > mobile web I think this is a good idea. > > I created a story > https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 > in the hope we might explore this. > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org> > wrote: > > Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look > > at > > percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for > > Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable > > difference. > > > > Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing > > DOMParse > > wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement > > right > > below it? > > > > As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia > > Zero > > for > > Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are > > POSTs > > (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the > > user > > hits > > "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on > > Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can > > somewhat > > safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe > > 500 > > users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by > > implication) > > hit > > "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, > > particularly > > in > > the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of > > no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller > > story, > > I > > suppose. > > > > -Adam > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on > >> Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not > >> sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it > >> possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is > >> set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this > >> feature is.... > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org> > >> wrote: > >> > Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like > >> > Special:MobileOptions > >> > constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof > >> > definition, > >> > but > >> > a > >> > good enough one). > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc > >> > <tfinc(a)wikimedia.org> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be > >> >> easy > >> >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson > >> >> <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > On this page - > >> >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions > >> >> > - > >> >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. > >> >> > > >> >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get > >> >> > some > >> >> > data? > >> >> > > >> >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as > >> >> > an > >> >> > option > >> >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of... > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > Mobile-l mailing list > >> >> > Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Mobile-l mailing list > >> >> Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jon Robson > >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk > >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson > >> * @rakugojon > > > > > > > > -- > Jon Robson > * http://jonrobson.me.uk > * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson > * @rakugojon

-- Arthur Richards Software Engineer, Mobile [[User:Awjrichards]] IRC: awjr +1-415-839-6885 x6687

-- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon

Arthur Richards

5:38 a.m.

Oops, sorry I missed that :p At least we've got it scheduled now for next iteration. On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

Arthur if you look 2 replies up you'll see I did :) https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

If you happen to pursue this card, it's implicit, but was hoping you

could

tag in the disposition of whether it's W0-scoped or not. The flag in the data should be generic, like "w0" if it's W0. On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Arthur Richards <

arichards(a)wikimedia.org>

wrote: > > Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a bit during

today's

> planning meeting. > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

>> >> Exactly. >> >> According to click tracking the settings page gets 200 clicks a day >> (compared to Watchlist which gets around 5K) - although note this >> clicktracking is only limited to users of high end phones (requires >> JavaScript). I think these metrics would be very useful to have and >> would let us get a better idea of our users. >> >> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org>

wrote:

>> > You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a >> > backend >> > event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event >> > logging >> > solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event >> > logging >> > would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices >> > without >> > JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those

with

>> > it. >> > >> > Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of >> > Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of >> > Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on >> > 20140310 log >> > data. >> > >> > Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: >> > Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content >> > served) - >> > 0.09% >> > POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8% >> > >> > General m.wikipedia: >> > Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content >> > served) - >> > 0.02% >> > POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9% >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Poke. >> >> I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to

know

>> >> the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging >> >> on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as

those

>> >> that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to

have

>> >> on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it

>> >> mobile web I think this is a good idea. >> >> >> >> I created a story >> >>

https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757

>> >> in the hope we might explore this. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look >> >> > at >> >> > percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot

for

>> >> > Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any

measurable

>> >> > difference. >> >> > >> >> > Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing >> >> > DOMParse >> >> > wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog

statement

>> >> > right >> >> > below it? >> >> > >> >> > As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia >> >> > Zero >> >> > for >> >> > Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are >> >> > POSTs >> >> > (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the >> >> > user >> >> > hits >> >> > "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown

>> >> > Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can >> >> > somewhat >> >> > safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of

maybe

>> >> > 500 >> >> > users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by >> >> > implication) >> >> > hit >> >> > "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, >> >> > particularly >> >> > in >> >> > the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number

>> >> > no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller >> >> > story, >> >> > I >> >> > suppose. >> >> > >> >> > -Adam >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on >> >> >> Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm

not

>> >> >> sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it >> >> >> possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie

>> >> set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this >> >> feature is.... >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso <abaso(a)wikimedia.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like >> >> > Special:MobileOptions >> >> > constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof >> >> > definition, >> >> > but >> >> > a >> >> > good enough one). >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc >> >> > <tfinc(a)wikimedia.org> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be >> >> >> easy >> >> >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson >> >> >> <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > On this page - >> >> >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions >> >> >> > - >> >> >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get >> >> >> > some >> >> >> > data? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as >> >> >> > an >> >> >> > option >> >> >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of... >> >> >> > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > Mobile-l mailing list >> >> >> > Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Mobile-l mailing list >> >> >> Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jon Robson >> >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk >> >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson >> >> * @rakugojon >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Jon Robson >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson >> * @rakugojon > > -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l

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