Dear members of Wikimedia and Wikipedians
I write as a citizen and no longer as a member of Wikimedia, because I made it clear to the Affcom and to the board of the Wikimedia Foundation that I have not been part of the organization from many months ago. I did not interfere in Wikimedia anymore. I do not want to do it anymore.
Incredibly, once again, I receive today (like any associate) a call for an assembly, out of legal term. As you can see (registration RH353231640PT – CTT mailing system), I received today, the 26th April, up to 14:00, local time, the call for tomorrow the 27th. This is legislated in Portugal (one week time as minimum). So this assembly has no legal validity. As it seems that one of the items on the agenda is my expulsion, I would have no chance of defense. Which is also not legal. I do not know what the consequences are. Have these individuals totally lost their minds?
As it is known, I move away because of incompatibilities with people from Portugal who, despite making some efforts to carry out some tasks in the Wikimedia Movement, destroy more than benefit it. It's totally counterproductive! Other people left successively, leaving the portuguese chapter in a chronical and critical lapse of sustainability (and maybe of reason to exists). As a matter fact, as it usually was in its lifetime.
However, there have recently been a set of facts that lead me to react: It is totally unacceptable for insults and defamation to be made by these persons or other attached to them. Now as an offended citizen, not as an internal mate, and for considering unacceptable behavior, I have a democratic, moral and legal right and a duty to communicate and defense. Including asking for responsibilities to the Wikimedia Organization representatives about this kind of “daydreams”.
I take this opportunity to share my surprise: at the fact that Wikimedia Portugal is being held in the positions of the board by Brazilian citizens, who were part of a banned Wikimedia group.
I may deal with the Portuguese media. Maybe they will find it funny or interesting. (As there are not proper and considerable news anymore).
The Public Prosecutor of Portugal interpellated me, a couple of months ago, if I was going to maintain the previous accusations against these same people, those related to irregularities. I told them that I would not do that. It did not deserve such work or expenditure of resources. Specially time.
The question I ask all of you is if these people have nothing else to do for the movement (?). Why do they waste so much time insulting people (?) only because they can't feel them as their own chaps and trying to perturb them with 5 or 6 years old standard childish comments or in aspirant pre-teen macho tone comments, with connotations of contempt and a slightly negative gender discrimination, getting to the point of calling "marias", "marias group" to those who they want to achieve, out of their pathetic mainstream (?). Moreover, trying to exclude former members, who already excluded themselves (?).
"Borderline envy"? Thirst for revenge? What a strange compulsive obsession! Is this a playground war game? Do these individuals feel so powerful in their free time bullying? Is it "the final solution's improvement strategy"?!
Ridiculous! As the entire Organization, if condescending, now seems to be.
So many mistakes!
Shame on them!
Regards,
Joao
IMG_20190426_162157_HDR.jpg https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Xe3rP3pMCWU2JocUExV2t6eVREZlRXUjZNdU1xcnlhTFd3/view?usp=drive_web
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Bom dia,
Apenas informando esta lista que esta pessoa que veio aqui escrevendo em inglês numa lista hispano-lusófona sobre uma série de assuntos que apenas dizem respeito ao capítulo português, está proposta para ser expulsa da Wikimedia Portugal ainda hoje.
Caso se concretize a expulsão, talvez os administradores da lista o queiram remover desta lista também, por forma a evitar mais episódios lamentáveis como este.
Um bom fim de semana a todos,
Paulo - DarwIn Wikimedia Portugal
Joao Miguel Vasconcelos mvasconcellosx@gmail.com escreveu no dia sábado, 27/04/2019 à(s) 04:28:
Dear members of Wikimedia and Wikipedians
I write as a citizen and no longer as a member of Wikimedia, because I made it clear to the Affcom and to the board of the Wikimedia Foundation that I have not been part of the organization from many months ago. I did not interfere in Wikimedia anymore. I do not want to do it anymore.
Incredibly, once again, I receive today (like any associate) a call for an assembly, out of legal term. As you can see (registration RH353231640PT – CTT mailing system), I received today, the 26th April, up to 14:00, local time, the call for tomorrow the 27th. This is legislated in Portugal (one week time as minimum). So this assembly has no legal validity. As it seems that one of the items on the agenda is my expulsion, I would have no chance of defense. Which is also not legal. I do not know what the consequences are. Have these individuals totally lost their minds?
As it is known, I move away because of incompatibilities with people from Portugal who, despite making some efforts to carry out some tasks in the Wikimedia Movement, destroy more than benefit it. It's totally counterproductive! Other people left successively, leaving the portuguese chapter in a chronical and critical lapse of sustainability (and maybe of reason to exists). As a matter fact, as it usually was in its lifetime.
However, there have recently been a set of facts that lead me to react: It is totally unacceptable for insults and defamation to be made by these persons or other attached to them. Now as an offended citizen, not as an internal mate, and for considering unacceptable behavior, I have a democratic, moral and legal right and a duty to communicate and defense. Including asking for responsibilities to the Wikimedia Organization representatives about this kind of “daydreams”.
I take this opportunity to share my surprise: at the fact that Wikimedia Portugal is being held in the positions of the board by Brazilian citizens, who were part of a banned Wikimedia group.
I may deal with the Portuguese media. Maybe they will find it funny or interesting. (As there are not proper and considerable news anymore).
The Public Prosecutor of Portugal interpellated me, a couple of months ago, if I was going to maintain the previous accusations against these same people, those related to irregularities. I told them that I would not do that. It did not deserve such work or expenditure of resources. Specially time.
The question I ask all of you is if these people have nothing else to do for the movement (?). Why do they waste so much time insulting people (?) only because they can't feel them as their own chaps and trying to perturb them with 5 or 6 years old standard childish comments or in aspirant pre-teen macho tone comments, with connotations of contempt and a slightly negative gender discrimination, getting to the point of calling "marias", "marias group" to those who they want to achieve, out of their pathetic mainstream (?). Moreover, trying to exclude former members, who already excluded themselves (?).
"Borderline envy"? Thirst for revenge? What a strange compulsive obsession! Is this a playground war game? Do these individuals feel so powerful in their free time bullying? Is it "the final solution's improvement strategy"?!
Ridiculous! As the entire Organization, if condescending, now seems to be.
So many mistakes!
Shame on them!
Regards,
Joao
IMG_20190426_162157_HDR.jpg https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Xe3rP3pMCWU2JocUExV2t6eVREZlRXUjZNdU1xcnlhTFd3/view?usp=drive_web
IMG_20190426_162217_HDR.jpg https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Xe3rP3pMCWWjMxU3VQTmNBNy1MTmtYVkZJS2l4VkEtRlRn/view?usp=drive_web
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-- Joao Vasconcelos
Iberocoop mailing list Iberocoop@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/iberocoop
Boa tarde,
Na qualidade de presidente da mesa da XII Assembleia Geral da Wikimedia Portugal, e de representante da Wikimedia Portugal junto da Iberocoop, comunico que João Miguel Vasconcelos perdeu hoje a sua condição de associado da Wikimedia Portugal, após processo disciplinar interno previsto no regulamento interno da Wikimedia Portugal, e decisão unânime da Assembleia-Geral, soberana nesta matéria.
Creio que João Miguel Vasconcelos já havia sido removido da lista interna da Iberocoop, mas deixo ao critério dos administradores da lista geral a sua remoção, com esta informação de que o referido indivíduo deixou efectivamente de ser membro de qualquer afiliado Wikimedia.
A acta da XII Assembleia Geral da Wikimedia Portugal estará brevemente disponível para consulta pública, no site da Wikimedia Portugal ( https://pt.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Portugal) em "Reuniões".
Com os melhores cumprimentos,
Paulo Santos Perneta (DarwIn) Wikimedia Portugal
Joao Miguel Vasconcelos mvasconcellosx@gmail.com escreveu no dia sábado, 27/04/2019 à(s) 04:28:
Dear members of Wikimedia and Wikipedians
I write as a citizen and no longer as a member of Wikimedia, because I made it clear to the Affcom and to the board of the Wikimedia Foundation that I have not been part of the organization from many months ago. I did not interfere in Wikimedia anymore. I do not want to do it anymore.
Incredibly, once again, I receive today (like any associate) a call for an assembly, out of legal term. As you can see (registration RH353231640PT – CTT mailing system), I received today, the 26th April, up to 14:00, local time, the call for tomorrow the 27th. This is legislated in Portugal (one week time as minimum). So this assembly has no legal validity. As it seems that one of the items on the agenda is my expulsion, I would have no chance of defense. Which is also not legal. I do not know what the consequences are. Have these individuals totally lost their minds?
As it is known, I move away because of incompatibilities with people from Portugal who, despite making some efforts to carry out some tasks in the Wikimedia Movement, destroy more than benefit it. It's totally counterproductive! Other people left successively, leaving the portuguese chapter in a chronical and critical lapse of sustainability (and maybe of reason to exists). As a matter fact, as it usually was in its lifetime.
However, there have recently been a set of facts that lead me to react: It is totally unacceptable for insults and defamation to be made by these persons or other attached to them. Now as an offended citizen, not as an internal mate, and for considering unacceptable behavior, I have a democratic, moral and legal right and a duty to communicate and defense. Including asking for responsibilities to the Wikimedia Organization representatives about this kind of “daydreams”.
I take this opportunity to share my surprise: at the fact that Wikimedia Portugal is being held in the positions of the board by Brazilian citizens, who were part of a banned Wikimedia group.
I may deal with the Portuguese media. Maybe they will find it funny or interesting. (As there are not proper and considerable news anymore).
The Public Prosecutor of Portugal interpellated me, a couple of months ago, if I was going to maintain the previous accusations against these same people, those related to irregularities. I told them that I would not do that. It did not deserve such work or expenditure of resources. Specially time.
The question I ask all of you is if these people have nothing else to do for the movement (?). Why do they waste so much time insulting people (?) only because they can't feel them as their own chaps and trying to perturb them with 5 or 6 years old standard childish comments or in aspirant pre-teen macho tone comments, with connotations of contempt and a slightly negative gender discrimination, getting to the point of calling "marias", "marias group" to those who they want to achieve, out of their pathetic mainstream (?). Moreover, trying to exclude former members, who already excluded themselves (?).
"Borderline envy"? Thirst for revenge? What a strange compulsive obsession! Is this a playground war game? Do these individuals feel so powerful in their free time bullying? Is it "the final solution's improvement strategy"?!
Ridiculous! As the entire Organization, if condescending, now seems to be.
So many mistakes!
Shame on them!
Regards,
Joao
IMG_20190426_162157_HDR.jpg https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Xe3rP3pMCWU2JocUExV2t6eVREZlRXUjZNdU1xcnlhTFd3/view?usp=drive_web
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-- Joao Vasconcelos
Iberocoop mailing list Iberocoop@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/iberocoop
Nota:
Onde está "deixou efectivamente de ser membro de qualquer afiliado Wikimedia" deve ler-se "de acordo com a informação de que dispomos, deixou efectivamente de ser membro de qualquer afiliado Wikimedia membro da Iberocoop"
Paulo
Paulo Santos Perneta paulosperneta@gmail.com escreveu no dia sábado, 27/04/2019 à(s) 17:06:
Boa tarde,
Na qualidade de presidente da mesa da XII Assembleia Geral da Wikimedia Portugal, e de representante da Wikimedia Portugal junto da Iberocoop, comunico que João Miguel Vasconcelos perdeu hoje a sua condição de associado da Wikimedia Portugal, após processo disciplinar interno previsto no regulamento interno da Wikimedia Portugal, e decisão unânime da Assembleia-Geral, soberana nesta matéria.
Creio que João Miguel Vasconcelos já havia sido removido da lista interna da Iberocoop, mas deixo ao critério dos administradores da lista geral a sua remoção, com esta informação de que o referido indivíduo deixou efectivamente de ser membro de qualquer afiliado Wikimedia.
A acta da XII Assembleia Geral da Wikimedia Portugal estará brevemente disponível para consulta pública, no site da Wikimedia Portugal ( https://pt.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Portugal) em "Reuniões".
Com os melhores cumprimentos,
Paulo Santos Perneta (DarwIn) Wikimedia Portugal
Joao Miguel Vasconcelos mvasconcellosx@gmail.com escreveu no dia sábado, 27/04/2019 à(s) 04:28:
Dear members of Wikimedia and Wikipedians
I write as a citizen and no longer as a member of Wikimedia, because I made it clear to the Affcom and to the board of the Wikimedia Foundation that I have not been part of the organization from many months ago. I did not interfere in Wikimedia anymore. I do not want to do it anymore.
Incredibly, once again, I receive today (like any associate) a call for an assembly, out of legal term. As you can see (registration RH353231640PT – CTT mailing system), I received today, the 26th April, up to 14:00, local time, the call for tomorrow the 27th. This is legislated in Portugal (one week time as minimum). So this assembly has no legal validity. As it seems that one of the items on the agenda is my expulsion, I would have no chance of defense. Which is also not legal. I do not know what the consequences are. Have these individuals totally lost their minds?
As it is known, I move away because of incompatibilities with people from Portugal who, despite making some efforts to carry out some tasks in the Wikimedia Movement, destroy more than benefit it. It's totally counterproductive! Other people left successively, leaving the portuguese chapter in a chronical and critical lapse of sustainability (and maybe of reason to exists). As a matter fact, as it usually was in its lifetime.
However, there have recently been a set of facts that lead me to react: It is totally unacceptable for insults and defamation to be made by these persons or other attached to them. Now as an offended citizen, not as an internal mate, and for considering unacceptable behavior, I have a democratic, moral and legal right and a duty to communicate and defense. Including asking for responsibilities to the Wikimedia Organization representatives about this kind of “daydreams”.
I take this opportunity to share my surprise: at the fact that Wikimedia Portugal is being held in the positions of the board by Brazilian citizens, who were part of a banned Wikimedia group.
I may deal with the Portuguese media. Maybe they will find it funny or interesting. (As there are not proper and considerable news anymore).
The Public Prosecutor of Portugal interpellated me, a couple of months ago, if I was going to maintain the previous accusations against these same people, those related to irregularities. I told them that I would not do that. It did not deserve such work or expenditure of resources. Specially time.
The question I ask all of you is if these people have nothing else to do for the movement (?). Why do they waste so much time insulting people (?) only because they can't feel them as their own chaps and trying to perturb them with 5 or 6 years old standard childish comments or in aspirant pre-teen macho tone comments, with connotations of contempt and a slightly negative gender discrimination, getting to the point of calling "marias", "marias group" to those who they want to achieve, out of their pathetic mainstream (?). Moreover, trying to exclude former members, who already excluded themselves (?).
"Borderline envy"? Thirst for revenge? What a strange compulsive obsession! Is this a playground war game? Do these individuals feel so powerful in their free time bullying? Is it "the final solution's improvement strategy"?!
Ridiculous! As the entire Organization, if condescending, now seems to be.
So many mistakes!
Shame on them!
Regards,
Joao
IMG_20190426_162157_HDR.jpg https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Xe3rP3pMCWU2JocUExV2t6eVREZlRXUjZNdU1xcnlhTFd3/view?usp=drive_web
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-- Joao Vasconcelos
Iberocoop mailing list Iberocoop@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/iberocoop
Deberían acudir a las instancias legales de Portugal para resolver esto. Los capítulos son personas jurídicas que responden a la ley del país donde están asentadas.
El cumplimiento de los estatutos internos están garantizados por la ley de cada país. Si se piensa que la reunión convocada es ilegal y que existen otras irregularidades la autoridad competente es la establecida en la ley de Portugal.
En el Movimiento Wikimedia no siempre hay reglas claras y carece de espacios neutrales para la resolución de conflictos, se trata más bien de una red informal que de otra cosa. Pocas luces se pueden obtener de aquí para resolver un conflicto de ese nivel.
El sáb., 27 abr. 2019 11:12, Paulo Santos Perneta paulosperneta@gmail.com escribió:
Nota:
Onde está "deixou efectivamente de ser membro de qualquer afiliado Wikimedia" deve ler-se "de acordo com a informação de que dispomos, deixou efectivamente de ser membro de qualquer afiliado Wikimedia membro da Iberocoop"
Paulo
Paulo Santos Perneta paulosperneta@gmail.com escreveu no dia sábado, 27/04/2019 à(s) 17:06:
Boa tarde,
Na qualidade de presidente da mesa da XII Assembleia Geral da Wikimedia Portugal, e de representante da Wikimedia Portugal junto da Iberocoop, comunico que João Miguel Vasconcelos perdeu hoje a sua condição de associado da Wikimedia Portugal, após processo disciplinar interno previsto no regulamento interno da Wikimedia Portugal, e decisão unânime da Assembleia-Geral, soberana nesta matéria.
Creio que João Miguel Vasconcelos já havia sido removido da lista interna da Iberocoop, mas deixo ao critério dos administradores da lista geral a sua remoção, com esta informação de que o referido indivíduo deixou efectivamente de ser membro de qualquer afiliado Wikimedia.
A acta da XII Assembleia Geral da Wikimedia Portugal estará brevemente disponível para consulta pública, no site da Wikimedia Portugal ( https://pt.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Portugal) em "Reuniões".
Com os melhores cumprimentos,
Paulo Santos Perneta (DarwIn) Wikimedia Portugal
Joao Miguel Vasconcelos mvasconcellosx@gmail.com escreveu no dia sábado, 27/04/2019 à(s) 04:28:
Dear members of Wikimedia and Wikipedians
I write as a citizen and no longer as a member of Wikimedia, because I made it clear to the Affcom and to the board of the Wikimedia Foundation that I have not been part of the organization from many months ago. I did not interfere in Wikimedia anymore. I do not want to do it anymore.
Incredibly, once again, I receive today (like any associate) a call for an assembly, out of legal term. As you can see (registration RH353231640PT – CTT mailing system), I received today, the 26th April, up to 14:00, local time, the call for tomorrow the 27th. This is legislated in Portugal (one week time as minimum). So this assembly has no legal validity. As it seems that one of the items on the agenda is my expulsion, I would have no chance of defense. Which is also not legal. I do not know what the consequences are. Have these individuals totally lost their minds?
As it is known, I move away because of incompatibilities with people from Portugal who, despite making some efforts to carry out some tasks in the Wikimedia Movement, destroy more than benefit it. It's totally counterproductive! Other people left successively, leaving the portuguese chapter in a chronical and critical lapse of sustainability (and maybe of reason to exists). As a matter fact, as it usually was in its lifetime.
However, there have recently been a set of facts that lead me to react: It is totally unacceptable for insults and defamation to be made by these persons or other attached to them. Now as an offended citizen, not as an internal mate, and for considering unacceptable behavior, I have a democratic, moral and legal right and a duty to communicate and defense. Including asking for responsibilities to the Wikimedia Organization representatives about this kind of “daydreams”.
I take this opportunity to share my surprise: at the fact that Wikimedia Portugal is being held in the positions of the board by Brazilian citizens, who were part of a banned Wikimedia group.
I may deal with the Portuguese media. Maybe they will find it funny or interesting. (As there are not proper and considerable news anymore).
The Public Prosecutor of Portugal interpellated me, a couple of months ago, if I was going to maintain the previous accusations against these same people, those related to irregularities. I told them that I would not do that. It did not deserve such work or expenditure of resources. Specially time.
The question I ask all of you is if these people have nothing else to do for the movement (?). Why do they waste so much time insulting people (?) only because they can't feel them as their own chaps and trying to perturb them with 5 or 6 years old standard childish comments or in aspirant pre-teen macho tone comments, with connotations of contempt and a slightly negative gender discrimination, getting to the point of calling "marias", "marias group" to those who they want to achieve, out of their pathetic mainstream (?). Moreover, trying to exclude former members, who already excluded themselves (?).
"Borderline envy"? Thirst for revenge? What a strange compulsive obsession! Is this a playground war game? Do these individuals feel so powerful in their free time bullying? Is it "the final solution's improvement strategy"?!
Ridiculous! As the entire Organization, if condescending, now seems to be.
So many mistakes!
Shame on them!
Regards,
Joao
IMG_20190426_162157_HDR.jpg https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Xe3rP3pMCWU2JocUExV2t6eVREZlRXUjZNdU1xcnlhTFd3/view?usp=drive_web
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-- Joao Vasconcelos
Iberocoop mailing list Iberocoop@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/iberocoop
Iberocoop mailing list Iberocoop@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/iberocoop
Da parte da WMPT não há qualquer conflito. Esse indivíduo, que nunca esteve ligada a projecto nenhum, mas tinha acesso a algumas coisas do mundo Wikimedia por ser associado da WMPT, perdeu hoje essa condição. De modo que o problema agora é mesmo de quem gere a lista da Iberocoop, não nosso. Se quiserem expulsem-no daqui também, nós já fizemos a nossa parte.
Abraço, Paulo
Fabricio Terán yo.fabo@gmail.com escreveu no dia sábado, 27/04/2019 à(s) 20:16:
Deberían acudir a las instancias legales de Portugal para resolver esto. Los capítulos son personas jurídicas que responden a la ley del país donde están asentadas.
El cumplimiento de los estatutos internos están garantizados por la ley de cada país. Si se piensa que la reunión convocada es ilegal y que existen otras irregularidades la autoridad competente es la establecida en la ley de Portugal.
En el Movimiento Wikimedia no siempre hay reglas claras y carece de espacios neutrales para la resolución de conflictos, se trata más bien de una red informal que de otra cosa. Pocas luces se pueden obtener de aquí para resolver un conflicto de ese nivel.
El sáb., 27 abr. 2019 11:12, Paulo Santos Perneta paulosperneta@gmail.com escribió:
Nota:
Onde está "deixou efectivamente de ser membro de qualquer afiliado Wikimedia" deve ler-se "de acordo com a informação de que dispomos, deixou efectivamente de ser membro de qualquer afiliado Wikimedia membro da Iberocoop"
Paulo
Paulo Santos Perneta paulosperneta@gmail.com escreveu no dia sábado, 27/04/2019 à(s) 17:06:
Boa tarde,
Na qualidade de presidente da mesa da XII Assembleia Geral da Wikimedia Portugal, e de representante da Wikimedia Portugal junto da Iberocoop, comunico que João Miguel Vasconcelos perdeu hoje a sua condição de associado da Wikimedia Portugal, após processo disciplinar interno previsto no regulamento interno da Wikimedia Portugal, e decisão unânime da Assembleia-Geral, soberana nesta matéria.
Creio que João Miguel Vasconcelos já havia sido removido da lista interna da Iberocoop, mas deixo ao critério dos administradores da lista geral a sua remoção, com esta informação de que o referido indivíduo deixou efectivamente de ser membro de qualquer afiliado Wikimedia.
A acta da XII Assembleia Geral da Wikimedia Portugal estará brevemente disponível para consulta pública, no site da Wikimedia Portugal ( https://pt.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Portugal) em "Reuniões".
Com os melhores cumprimentos,
Paulo Santos Perneta (DarwIn) Wikimedia Portugal
Joao Miguel Vasconcelos mvasconcellosx@gmail.com escreveu no dia sábado, 27/04/2019 à(s) 04:28:
Dear members of Wikimedia and Wikipedians
I write as a citizen and no longer as a member of Wikimedia, because I made it clear to the Affcom and to the board of the Wikimedia Foundation that I have not been part of the organization from many months ago. I did not interfere in Wikimedia anymore. I do not want to do it anymore.
Incredibly, once again, I receive today (like any associate) a call for an assembly, out of legal term. As you can see (registration RH353231640PT – CTT mailing system), I received today, the 26th April, up to 14:00, local time, the call for tomorrow the 27th. This is legislated in Portugal (one week time as minimum). So this assembly has no legal validity. As it seems that one of the items on the agenda is my expulsion, I would have no chance of defense. Which is also not legal. I do not know what the consequences are. Have these individuals totally lost their minds?
As it is known, I move away because of incompatibilities with people from Portugal who, despite making some efforts to carry out some tasks in the Wikimedia Movement, destroy more than benefit it. It's totally counterproductive! Other people left successively, leaving the portuguese chapter in a chronical and critical lapse of sustainability (and maybe of reason to exists). As a matter fact, as it usually was in its lifetime.
However, there have recently been a set of facts that lead me to react: It is totally unacceptable for insults and defamation to be made by these persons or other attached to them. Now as an offended citizen, not as an internal mate, and for considering unacceptable behavior, I have a democratic, moral and legal right and a duty to communicate and defense. Including asking for responsibilities to the Wikimedia Organization representatives about this kind of “daydreams”.
I take this opportunity to share my surprise: at the fact that Wikimedia Portugal is being held in the positions of the board by Brazilian citizens, who were part of a banned Wikimedia group.
I may deal with the Portuguese media. Maybe they will find it funny or interesting. (As there are not proper and considerable news anymore).
The Public Prosecutor of Portugal interpellated me, a couple of months ago, if I was going to maintain the previous accusations against these same people, those related to irregularities. I told them that I would not do that. It did not deserve such work or expenditure of resources. Specially time.
The question I ask all of you is if these people have nothing else to do for the movement (?). Why do they waste so much time insulting people (?) only because they can't feel them as their own chaps and trying to perturb them with 5 or 6 years old standard childish comments or in aspirant pre-teen macho tone comments, with connotations of contempt and a slightly negative gender discrimination, getting to the point of calling "marias", "marias group" to those who they want to achieve, out of their pathetic mainstream (?). Moreover, trying to exclude former members, who already excluded themselves (?).
"Borderline envy"? Thirst for revenge? What a strange compulsive obsession! Is this a playground war game? Do these individuals feel so powerful in their free time bullying? Is it "the final solution's improvement strategy"?!
Ridiculous! As the entire Organization, if condescending, now seems to be.
So many mistakes!
Shame on them!
Regards,
Joao
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