Hey folks,
We just released a new version of Echo on MediaWiki.org, for your interactive pleasure.
Can you help us take it for a spin? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Notifications
For tips on how to test Echo on MediaWiki.org, visit this testing page: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo/Testing
The main new feature is the long-awaited 'User mention notification', which you can read up about here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo/Feature_requirements#User_Mention
Note that we limited the scope of this feature initially, to make sure that folks don't get too many notifications in our first release.
Here are the current constraints: • this feature only works if the mention of your name is linked to your user page (with double bracket links ([[ ]]), not single brackets) • this feature only works for posts inside a section of a talk page other than yours (doesn't work on articles or 'Wikipedia:' pages) • this feature only works if the post is signed -- by adding four tildes (Fabrice Florin (WMF) (talk) 00:53, 8 March 2013 (UTC)) when the edit is posted, which are then converted into a signature
We would appreciate your thoughts about possibly expanding the scope of this feature to cover more use cases, such as: • support links with single brackets • support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pages • support user links on article pages • support user links without requiring a signature
What do you think? Should we expand this feature for those use cases? any other use cases we might have missed?
Also, be sure to check the fancy new 'Dismiss feature', which lets you turn off notification types you don't want from inside the notification flyout. This has the same effect as turning them off in preferences, but is more accessible.
Speaking of preferences, you can now turn off notification types you don't want for either web or email notifications, using a shiny new HTML table, which you can check out here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo
We're still planning to tweak the copy on this preferences page, but the functionality is here -- and it took Kaldari some time to get this HTML table function through core, so we hope you can use it for other features as well. In the future, this table can be expanded to control notifications you get on your mobile phone and other channels.
We've also done a lot of work on bundling, job queue, metrics and code refactoring, but these are hard for you to test -- or have not yet been deployed.
Our next deployment on MediaWiki.org is now scheduled for March 18th, when we expect to launch a number of new notifications and features: • Thank you notification • User rights change • job queue • metrics • HTML email • Metrics
Enjoy!
Fabrice and the E2 team
On 03/07/2013 05:30 PM, Fabrice Florin wrote:
Hey folks,
We just released a new version of Echo on MediaWiki.org, for your interactive pleasure.
Sounds great.
Can you help us take it for a spin?
Will do.
• support links with single brackets
I think that's extremely rare and discouraged (it would be a same-wiki or interwiki external link), so it's probably not worth the effort.
• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pages
Probably useful (e.g. Village pump)
• support user links on article pages
Definitely not namespace 0, if that's what you mean by article. That's an anti-pattern.
• support user links without requiring a signature
Probably not necessary, but avoids the need for signature detection code (do you support custom signatures like mine?) and could be useful in some edge cases.
Matt Flaschen
Thanks, Matthew, your good insights are much appreciated!
Let us know how that user mention notification works for you in practice.
Anyone else have suggestions about missing use cases for that feature?
-f
On Mar 7, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
On 03/07/2013 05:30 PM, Fabrice Florin wrote:
Hey folks,
We just released a new version of Echo on MediaWiki.org, for your interactive pleasure.
Sounds great.
Can you help us take it for a spin?
Will do.
• support links with single brackets
I think that's extremely rare and discouraged (it would be a same-wiki or interwiki external link), so it's probably not worth the effort.
• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pages
Probably useful (e.g. Village pump)
• support user links on article pages
Definitely not namespace 0, if that's what you mean by article. That's an anti-pattern.
• support user links without requiring a signature
Probably not necessary, but avoids the need for signature detection code (do you support custom signatures like mine?) and could be useful in some edge cases.
Matt Flaschen
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I would agree with Matt's evaluation. For signatures I'd suggest factoring in SineBot if it wasn't building for a single wiki - that would nicely cover situations where people forget the four tildes.
On 7 March 2013 18:02, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks, Matthew, your good insights are much appreciated!
Let us know how that user mention notification works for you in practice.
Anyone else have suggestions about missing use cases for that feature?
-f
On Mar 7, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
On 03/07/2013 05:30 PM, Fabrice Florin wrote:
Hey folks,
We just released a new version of Echo on MediaWiki.org, for your
interactive pleasure.
Sounds great.
Can you help us take it for a spin?
Will do.
• support links with single brackets
I think that's extremely rare and discouraged (it would be a same-wiki or interwiki external link), so it's probably not worth the effort.
• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pages
Probably useful (e.g. Village pump)
• support user links on article pages
Definitely not namespace 0, if that's what you mean by article. That's an anti-pattern.
• support user links without requiring a signature
Probably not necessary, but avoids the need for signature detection code (do you support custom signatures like mine?) and could be useful in some edge cases.
Matt Flaschen
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
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I'm generally in agreement with Matt but let me elaborate so the one I disagree with makes sense.
• support links with single brackets So that would be a user making an external link style link to a user? eg [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Kaldari] I think it would be "nice" if that were detected too, as I think the guiding principle should be "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know" but I assume it's an edge case. Links to users are so common that even somebody erratically copy and pasting markup to get their result should have a sample of the normal way. I personally don't know how to do an interwiki user link so if there was a different person with the name Kaldari on French Wikipedia I could see myself using [ http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Kaldari]
... but detecting that would only be useful if it triggered a notification the the user on that other wiki, so reacting correctly to it would be difficult.
My TL;DR: is therefore it sounds like an edge case, that is not worth the effort.
• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pages Yes. As Matt said, there are cases where it would frequently be useful.
• support user links without requiring a signature Definitely. "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know"
• support user links on article pages This should not trigger often, but I think it should be enabled. I'd imagine being triggered would point to a newbie who needs to be shown talk pages or some sort of harassment in vandalism, but in either case I'd like to know even if somebody else fixes it through normal patrolling.
Luke
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would agree with Matt's evaluation. For signatures I'd suggest factoring in SineBot if it wasn't building for a single wiki - that would nicely cover situations where people forget the four tildes.
On 7 March 2013 18:02, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks, Matthew, your good insights are much appreciated!
Let us know how that user mention notification works for you in practice.
Anyone else have suggestions about missing use cases for that feature?
-f
On Mar 7, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
On 03/07/2013 05:30 PM, Fabrice Florin wrote:
Hey folks,
We just released a new version of Echo on MediaWiki.org, for your
interactive pleasure.
Sounds great.
Can you help us take it for a spin?
Will do.
• support links with single brackets
I think that's extremely rare and discouraged (it would be a same-wiki or interwiki external link), so it's probably not worth the effort.
• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pages
Probably useful (e.g. Village pump)
• support user links on article pages
Definitely not namespace 0, if that's what you mean by article. That's an anti-pattern.
• support user links without requiring a signature
Probably not necessary, but avoids the need for signature detection code (do you support custom signatures like mine?) and could be useful in some edge cases.
Matt Flaschen
EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
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On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Luke Welling WMF lwelling@wikimedia.orgwrote:
I think it would be "nice" if that were detected too, as I think the guiding principle should be "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know" but I assume it's an edge case.
To clarify, the most common way this is going to appear is actually by linking to a diff. You can't make a double brackets link to a diff, you have to use a link like https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AJimbo_Wales&diff=54278...
Thanks all for these good suggestions!
Many of these ideas can probably be implemented if we see a consensus emerge.
How is the feature working for you in practice, in its limited form?
Have any of you received a user mention yet?
Is anyone getting too many?
I haven't received a single one yet (outside of my own testing), but I'm not as popular as some of you ;)
-f
On Mar 8, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Steven Walling wrote:
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Luke Welling WMF lwelling@wikimedia.org wrote: I think it would be "nice" if that were detected too, as I think the guiding principle should be "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know" but I assume it's an edge case.
To clarify, the most common way this is going to appear is actually by linking to a diff. You can't make a double brackets link to a diff, you have to use a link like https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AJimbo_Wales&diff=54278...
-- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/
On Mar 8, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Luke Welling WMF wrote:
I'm generally in agreement with Matt but let me elaborate so the one I disagree with makes sense.
• support links with single brackets So that would be a user making an external link style link to a user? eg [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Kaldari] I think it would be "nice" if that were detected too, as I think the guiding principle should be "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know" but I assume it's an edge case. Links to users are so common that even somebody erratically copy and pasting markup to get their result should have a sample of the normal way. I personally don't know how to do an interwiki user link so if there was a different person with the name Kaldari on French Wikipedia I could see myself using [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Kaldari]
... but detecting that would only be useful if it triggered a notification the the user on that other wiki, so reacting correctly to it would be difficult.
My TL;DR: is therefore it sounds like an edge case, that is not worth the effort.
• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pages Yes. As Matt said, there are cases where it would frequently be useful.
• support user links without requiring a signature Definitely. "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know"
• support user links on article pages This should not trigger often, but I think it should be enabled. I'd imagine being triggered would point to a newbie who needs to be shown talk pages or some sort of harassment in vandalism, but in either case I'd like to know even if somebody else fixes it through normal patrolling.
Luke
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote: I would agree with Matt's evaluation. For signatures I'd suggest factoring in SineBot if it wasn't building for a single wiki - that would nicely cover situations where people forget the four tildes.
On 7 March 2013 18:02, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote: Thanks, Matthew, your good insights are much appreciated!
Let us know how that user mention notification works for you in practice.
Anyone else have suggestions about missing use cases for that feature?
-f
On Mar 7, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
On 03/07/2013 05:30 PM, Fabrice Florin wrote:
Hey folks,
We just released a new version of Echo on MediaWiki.org, for your interactive pleasure.
Sounds great.
Can you help us take it for a spin?
Will do.
• support links with single brackets
I think that's extremely rare and discouraged (it would be a same-wiki or interwiki external link), so it's probably not worth the effort.
• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pages
Probably useful (e.g. Village pump)
• support user links on article pages
Definitely not namespace 0, if that's what you mean by article. That's an anti-pattern.
• support user links without requiring a signature
Probably not necessary, but avoids the need for signature detection code (do you support custom signatures like mine?) and could be useful in some edge cases.
Matt Flaschen
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
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Thanks for the clarification Steven.
I tried to send one to a few people Fabrice, but I guess you have two accounts. Now you should have one for [[User:Fabrice_Florin]] and one for [[User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)]] but don't get too excited about the newfound popularity. I don't think deliberate test mentions count.
Are any templates that contain user mentions that are likely to flood specific users?
Luek
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Thanks all for these good suggestions!
Many of these ideas can probably be implemented if we see a consensus emerge.
How is the feature working for you in practice, in its limited form?
Have any of you received a user mention yet?
Is anyone getting too many?
I haven't received a single one yet (outside of my own testing), but I'm not as popular as some of you ;)
-f
On Mar 8, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Steven Walling wrote:
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Luke Welling WMF lwelling@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think it would be "nice" if that were detected too, as I think the guiding principle should be "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know" but I assume it's an edge case.
To clarify, the most common way this is going to appear is actually by linking to a diff. You can't make a double brackets link to a diff, you have to use a link like https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AJimbo_Wales&diff=54278...
-- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/
On Mar 8, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Luke Welling WMF wrote:
I'm generally in agreement with Matt but let me elaborate so the one I disagree with makes sense.
• support links with single brackets So that would be a user making an external link style link to a user? eg [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Kaldari] I think it would be "nice" if that were detected too, as I think the guiding principle should be "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know" but I assume it's an edge case. Links to users are so common that even somebody erratically copy and pasting markup to get their result should have a sample of the normal way. I personally don't know how to do an interwiki user link so if there was a different person with the name Kaldari on French Wikipedia I could see myself using [ http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Kaldari]
... but detecting that would only be useful if it triggered a notification the the user on that other wiki, so reacting correctly to it would be difficult.
My TL;DR: is therefore it sounds like an edge case, that is not worth the effort.
• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pages Yes. As Matt said, there are cases where it would frequently be useful.
• support user links without requiring a signature Definitely. "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know"
• support user links on article pages This should not trigger often, but I think it should be enabled. I'd imagine being triggered would point to a newbie who needs to be shown talk pages or some sort of harassment in vandalism, but in either case I'd like to know even if somebody else fixes it through normal patrolling.
Luke
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.orgwrote:
I would agree with Matt's evaluation. For signatures I'd suggest factoring in SineBot if it wasn't building for a single wiki - that would nicely cover situations where people forget the four tildes.
On 7 March 2013 18:02, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks, Matthew, your good insights are much appreciated!
Let us know how that user mention notification works for you in practice.
Anyone else have suggestions about missing use cases for that feature?
-f
On Mar 7, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
On 03/07/2013 05:30 PM, Fabrice Florin wrote:
Hey folks,
We just released a new version of Echo on MediaWiki.org, for your
interactive pleasure.
Sounds great.
Can you help us take it for a spin?
Will do.
• support links with single brackets
I think that's extremely rare and discouraged (it would be a same-wiki or interwiki external link), so it's probably not worth the effort.
• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pages
Probably useful (e.g. Village pump)
• support user links on article pages
Definitely not namespace 0, if that's what you mean by article. That's an anti-pattern.
• support user links without requiring a signature
Probably not necessary, but avoids the need for signature detection code (do you support custom signatures like mine?) and could be useful in some edge cases.
Matt Flaschen
EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
Fabrice Florin Product Manager, Editor Engagement Wikimedia Foundation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
Donate to keep Wikipedia free: https://donate.wikimedia.org/
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On 03/08/2013 10:19 AM, Luke Welling WMF wrote:
• support user links on article pages This should not trigger often, but I think it should be enabled. I'd imagine being triggered would point to a newbie who needs to be shown talk pages or some sort of harassment in vandalism, but in either case I'd like to know even if somebody else fixes it through normal patrolling.
I think it would implicitly encourage people to do it. If a patroller finds it, they can revert and (optionally) let the poster know how to start a conversation in an appropriate place.
If this is enabled, new users, who may not know how to refactor discussions, will sometimes have to figure out a way to deal with mentions in incorrect places.
Matt Flaschen
So, I guess there's an anti-use case here which is 'people writing new articles as a way of communicating'. What happens to the notification if the article is deleted?
(I appreciate at this point we're discussing sub-patterns of sub-patterns of edge cases of edge cases, and it's probably not vitally important that we solve for this)
On 8 March 2013 11:42, Matthew Flaschen mflaschen@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 03/08/2013 10:19 AM, Luke Welling WMF wrote:
• support user links on article pages This should not trigger often, but I think it should be enabled. I'd imagine being triggered would point to a newbie who needs to be shown talk pages or some sort of harassment in vandalism, but in either case I'd like to know even if somebody else fixes it through normal
patrolling.
I think it would implicitly encourage people to do it. If a patroller finds it, they can revert and (optionally) let the poster know how to start a conversation in an appropriate place.
If this is enabled, new users, who may not know how to refactor discussions, will sometimes have to figure out a way to deal with mentions in incorrect places.
Matt Flaschen
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On 03/08/2013 11:45 AM, Oliver Keyes wrote:
So, I guess there's an anti-use case here which is 'people writing new articles as a way of communicating'. What happens to the notification if the article is deleted?
Or just modifying an existing article. Like I said, I think the tool should deliberately ignore mentions in namespace 0.
As for other namespaces, it should be added to their notification queue, but it would be nice to flag it as "non-actionable" in the queue when that is known (e.g. page is deleted)
This is analogous to what happens if you have email watchlist notifications on. You get a notification when the page is edited. If it's later deleted (or even if just that revision is deleted), so be it.
Echo shouldn't give you less information simply because it controls the queue. If it did, it would also cause inconsistencies because sometimes an Echo email or push notification would already have noted the deleted mention/etc.
Matt
One advantage of requiring a signature is that it means the mention is probably within an actual conversation (rather than just a bot creating lists of users, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_administrator_hopefuls).
Ryan Kaldari
On 3/8/13 10:19 AM, Luke Welling WMF wrote:
I'm generally in agreement with Matt but let me elaborate so the one I disagree with makes sense.
• support links with single brackets So that would be a user making an external link style link to a user? eg [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Kaldari] I think it would be "nice" if that were detected too, as I think the guiding principle should be "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know" but I assume it's an edge case. Links to users are so common that even somebody erratically copy and pasting markup to get their result should have a sample of the normal way. I personally don't know how to do an interwiki user link so if there was a different person with the name Kaldari on French Wikipedia I could see myself using [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Kaldari]
... but detecting that would only be useful if it triggered a notification the the user on that other wiki, so reacting correctly to it would be difficult.
My TL;DR: is therefore it sounds like an edge case, that is not worth the effort.
• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pages Yes. As Matt said, there are cases where it would frequently be useful.
• support user links without requiring a signature Definitely. "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know"
• support user links on article pages This should not trigger often, but I think it should be enabled. I'd imagine being triggered would point to a newbie who needs to be shown talk pages or some sort of harassment in vandalism, but in either case I'd like to know even if somebody else fixes it through normal patrolling.
Luke
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes@wikimedia.org mailto:okeyes@wikimedia.org> wrote:
I would agree with Matt's evaluation. For signatures I'd suggest factoring in SineBot if it wasn't building for a single wiki - that would nicely cover situations where people forget the four tildes. On 7 March 2013 18:02, Fabrice Florin <fflorin@wikimedia.org <mailto:fflorin@wikimedia.org>> wrote: Thanks, Matthew, your good insights are much appreciated! Let us know how that user mention notification works for you in practice. Anyone else have suggestions about missing use cases for that feature? -f On Mar 7, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:On 03/07/2013 05:30 PM, Fabrice Florin wrote:Hey folks, We just released a new version of Echo on MediaWiki.org <http://MediaWiki.org>, for your interactive pleasure.Sounds great.Can you help us take it for a spin?Will do. • support links with single brackets I think that's extremely rare and discouraged (it would be a same-wiki or interwiki external link), so it's probably not worth the effort.• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pagesProbably useful (e.g. Village pump)• support user links on article pagesDefinitely not namespace 0, if that's what you mean by article. That's an anti-pattern.• support user links without requiring a signatureProbably not necessary, but avoids the need for signature detection code (do you support custom signatures like mine?) and could be useful in some edge cases. Matt Flaschen _______________________________________________ EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:EE@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee_______________________________ Fabrice Florin Product Manager, Editor Engagement Wikimedia Foundation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_%28WMF%29> Donate to keep Wikipedia free: https://donate.wikimedia.org/ _______________________________________________ EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:EE@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:EE@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
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On 03/08/2013 05:37 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
One advantage of requiring a signature is that it means the mention is probably within an actual conversation (rather than just a bot creating lists of users, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_administrator_hopefuls).
Wouldn't it be simpler to just exclude edits based on the bot flag?
Matt Flaschen
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Hey folks,
We just released a new version of Echo on MediaWiki.org, for your interactive pleasure.
Can you help us take it for a spin? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Notifications
Before I have the time to give it a full test drive (as I would like to :D) I do notice that the text is so faded, my tired eyes can barely read it. For people who don't have that great of vision, this would be hard to work with. http://i.imgur.com/9mqmLwF.jpg
DeltaQuad English Wikipedia Administrator and Checkuser
Hi DeltaQuad,
Thanks for your comment about the faded gray text, which makes it hard to read older notifications, as your screenshot makes very clear.
We are aware of the problem, and our designer and lead developer are working on a solution to make the text more readable.
I expect that we will deploy an improved version in our next release on March 18.
Thanks again for your interest in test-driving this beta version. Please let us know what you think of Echo's other features.
All the best,
Fabrice
On Mar 8, 2013, at 4:17 PM, DeltaQuad Wikipedia wrote:
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey folks,
We just released a new version of Echo on MediaWiki.org, for your interactive pleasure.
Can you help us take it for a spin? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Notifications
Before I have the time to give it a full test drive (as I would like to :D) I do notice that the text is so faded, my tired eyes can barely read it. For people who don't have that great of vision, this would be hard to work with. http://i.imgur.com/9mqmLwF.jpg
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