Hello everyone,
As many of you know, we have been testing an improved version of Article Feedback v5 in two pilots on the English and French Wikipedias throughout 2013. The main purpose of this experiment was to increase participation on Wikipedia by inviting readers to leave comments on article pages.
The French pilot just ended last month, providing informative results about this experiment. In the final RfC we ran on the French site (1), about 45% of respondents wanted AFT5 removed everywhere, while 38% wanted to keep it an opt-in basis, and 10% on help pages only (2); nearly everyone agreed it should not be on by default on all 40,000 pilot pages, let alone on the entire French Wikipedia. Their concerns are is consistent to what we heard from editors on the English and German pilots: overall, a majority of editors do not find reader comments useful enough to warrant the extra moderation work.
Based on these pilot results, we recommend that Article Feedback be removed from our two pilot sites at the end of the month, as outlined in this report (3) — since the tool is not welcome by a majority of editors, despite its benefits to readers.
We propose to give editors two weeks to transfer any feedback they find useful to their article talk pages, using the ‘Discuss on talk page’ tool (4). We also recommend that we archive the data from our pilot sites, and that we keep one instance running on Labs, for reference purposes.
Lastly, we recommend further discussions between the community and the foundation on how to give readers a voice on our sites. Suggested topics include how to make it easier for readers to comment on articles they read — as well as how to enable readers to participate in decisions that impact them, so that we can better serve the needs of all our users in the free culture movement.
We would be grateful for your comments about this recommendation — and how to better integrate readers in our communities. Could you share your thoughts on this Article Feedback talk page (5) in coming days? You are also invited to share any lessons learned from this experiment in our report's discussion page (6).
I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the community and team members who contributed to this experiment. We’re particularly grateful to Matthias Mullie, Pau Giner, Oliver Keyes, Maggie Dennis, Philippe Beaudette, Howie Fung and Erik Moeller at the Wikimedia Foundation, as well as to community members Denis Barthel, Benoît Evellin, Tom Morris, Sebastian Peisker, TMg and Utar, to name but a few.
We appreciate your willingness to experiment with new ways to involve our readers in our communities — and we hope that the lessons we learned together can inform future initiatives.
Regards as ever,
Fabrice
(1) French RfC Discussion:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/25_janvier_2014#Outi…
(2) French RfC Results:
https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq_75_5y5sKWdD…
(3) Article Feedback Report:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback/Version_5/Report
(4) Discuss on Talk Page Tool:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback/Help/Editors#How_c…
(5) Article Feedback Post on English Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Article_Feedback_Tool/Version_…
(6) Article Feedback Discussion Page:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Article_feedback/Version_5/Report
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Fabrice Florin
Product Manager
Wikimedia Foundation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
The issue with missing server-side EventLogging events [1] has been resolved and data recovery from the raw logs into the log DB (i.e. the source used to populate most dashboards) is currently underway. It will take approximately 4 days to restore the complete logs.
Many thanks to Ori for helping with this.
Dario
[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60550
Hi all,
I've posted about this on the Wikitech Ambassadors mailing list, as well as
many local Village Pumps, but I wanted to share that as of now the
"GettingStarted" extension is on 28 Wikipedias other than English.[1][2]
We still have some cleanup work to do,[3] and definitely want to eventually
expand to all language versions of Wikipedia. There may also be some
non-Wikipedia projects which might find it useful.
A big thanks to any of you who help translate MediaWiki on translatewiki.net.
:-) We'll be monitoring the rollout of the feature in the coming weeks and
will share our data analysis about use of the feature in non-English
Wikipedias.
1. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GettingStarted
2. The full list is: astwiki, bswiki, cawiki, dawiki, dewiki, elwiki,
eswiki, fawiki, frwiki, fowiki, glwiki, hewiki, huwiki, iswiki, itwiki,
kowiki, lbwiki, mkwiki, mlwiki, nlwiki, plwiki, ptwiki, ruwiki, simplewiki,
svwiki, viwiki, ukwiki, and zhwiki
3. Rendering of the UI in some longer translations could use work
especially. See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61055
--
Steven Walling,
Product Manager
https://wikimediafoundation.org/
> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:53:54 -0800
> From: Quim Gil <qgil(a)wikimedia.org>
> To: ee(a)lists.wikimedia.org, Guillaume Paumier <gpaumier(a)wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [EE] Newsletters (call for GSoC 2014)
> Message-ID: <52F288C2.6040703(a)wikimedia.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On 01/21/2014 04:46 PM, Quim Gil wrote:
> > On 01/19/2014 01:36 PM, ENWP Pine wrote:
> >> Quim is this something that could be completed this calendar
> >> year? Would it need to be in the next Annual Plan?
> >
> > Having no budget and not being at the Product or Features teams, it is
> > very easy for me to speak. :) :((
> >
> > So far Newsletters don't seem to be in any WMF roadmap and I have no
> > intention (neither good arguments) to challenge the current plans.
> >
> > Then again, this looks like a project that could be developed by someone
> > else independently. Maybe this is a good GSoC / OPW project? If a
> > technical mentor is interested, I would be happy volunteering as product
> > mentor - tester - community liaison - stakeholder - younameit.
>
> The time to collect GSoC 2014 project proposals is now, see
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2014
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-February/074277.html
>
> Guillaume and me think that this feature would be extremely beneficial
> to improve the communication of Wikimedia and MediaWiki projects. If a
> developer volunteers as mentor, we are happy to help co-mentoring from
> the product / community sides.
>
>
> > With Newsletters and Flow evolved, many MediaWikis could start
> > forgetting about outsourcing their most basic communication to Mailman.
> >
> >
> >>> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 21:39:40 -0800
> >>> From: Quim Gil <qgil(a)wikimedia.org>
> >>> To: ee(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [EE] Newsletters
> >>> Message-ID: <52D37C1C.2000905(a)wikimedia.org>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> On 01/06/2014 09:00 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> >>>> On 01/04/2014 01:35 AM, ENWP Pine wrote:
> >>>>> Happy new year, EE.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How is the Newsletter extension coming along? The most recent
> >> discussion
> >>>>> on the talk page appears to be from September.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think anyone is currently working on this. Siebrand and Quim
> >>>> started https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Newsletter , but there
> >>>> has only been one commit.
> >>>
> >>> When MassMessage appeared I thought it could be worth trying to find a
> >>> way to extend it satisfying the needs of newsletter publishers and
> >>> subscribers. For instance, see
> >>>
> >>> Bug 57935 - Handling MassMessage subscription through user preferences
> >>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57935
> >>>
> >>> Bug 57937 - Option to subscribe new users to MassMessage by default
> >>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57937
> >>>
> >>> Bug 57473 - MassMessage should support using a category as an input list
> >>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57473
> >>>
> >>> However, according to Legoktm this might be a too long shot.
> >>>
> >>> Another possibility (probably the right one, but afaik nobody is working
> >>> in this direction) is to have a pure Echo plugin with an interface to
> >>> handle subscriptions, channels, and a couple of roles.
> >>>
> >>> I still think Wikimedia and the MediaWiki community will benefit a lot
> >>> from this feature...
> >
>
>
> --
> Quim Gil
> Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
>
Thanks for pushing this along.
I also have an idea for a bot that would save
about 150 volunteer hours each year on English
Wikipedia. Is bot development within the
scope of GSoC?
Pine
On 02/05/2014 01:29 AM, Jon Robson wrote:
> On a side note:
> I really think we should give more priority to enabling new page
> creation on enwiki to help those sort of experiences before continuing
> down this path of encouraging new editors. People could start drafts,
> start pages with photos. This seems like a really useful focus of time.
Yes, we should talk about how drafts (see
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia_article_creation and
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Draft_namespace) will work on mobile.
Matt Flaschen
Quim is this something that could be completed this calendar
year? Would it need to be in the next Annual Plan?
Pine
> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 21:39:40 -0800
> From: Quim Gil <qgil(a)wikimedia.org>
> To: ee(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [EE] Newsletters
> Message-ID: <52D37C1C.2000905(a)wikimedia.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi,
>
> On 01/06/2014 09:00 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> > On 01/04/2014 01:35 AM, ENWP Pine wrote:
> >> Happy new year, EE.
> >>
> >> How is the Newsletter extension coming along? The most recent discussion
> >> on the talk page appears to be from September.
> >
> > I don't think anyone is currently working on this. Siebrand and Quim
> > started https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Newsletter , but there
> > has only been one commit.
>
> When MassMessage appeared I thought it could be worth trying to find a
> way to extend it satisfying the needs of newsletter publishers and
> subscribers. For instance, see
>
> Bug 57935 - Handling MassMessage subscription through user preferences
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57935
>
> Bug 57937 - Option to subscribe new users to MassMessage by default
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57937
>
> Bug 57473 - MassMessage should support using a category as an input list
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57473
>
> However, according to Legoktm this might be a too long shot.
>
> Another possibility (probably the right one, but afaik nobody is working
> in this direction) is to have a pure Echo plugin with an interface to
> handle subscriptions, channels, and a couple of roles.
>
> I still think Wikimedia and the MediaWiki community will benefit a lot
> from this feature...
>
> --
> Quim Gil
> Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
>
>