Thanks for the clarification Steven.

I tried to send one to a few people Fabrice, but I guess you have two accounts.  Now you should have one for [[User:Fabrice_Florin]] and one for [[User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)]] but don't get too excited about the newfound popularity.  I don't think deliberate test mentions count.

Are any templates that contain user mentions that are likely to flood specific users?

Luek


On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Fabrice Florin <fflorin@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Thanks all for these good suggestions!

Many of these ideas can probably be implemented if we see a consensus emerge.

How is the feature working for you in practice, in its limited form?

Have any of you received a user mention yet?

Is anyone getting too many?

I haven't received a single one yet (outside of my own testing), but I'm not as popular as some of you ;)

-f


On Mar 8, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Steven Walling wrote:


On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Luke Welling WMF <lwelling@wikimedia.org> wrote:
I think it would be "nice" if that were detected too, as I think the guiding principle should be "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know" but I assume it's an edge case.

To clarify, the most common way this is going to appear is actually by linking to a diff. You can't make a double brackets link to a diff, you have to use a link like https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AJimbo_Wales&diff=542782725&oldid=542782384


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On Mar 8, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Luke Welling WMF wrote:

I'm generally in agreement with Matt but let me elaborate so the one I disagree with makes sense.

• support links with single brackets
So that would be a user making an external link style link to a user? 
I think it would be "nice" if that were detected too, as I think the guiding principle should be "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know" but I assume it's an edge case.  Links to users are so common that even somebody erratically copy and pasting markup to get their result should have a sample of the normal way.  I personally don't know how to do an interwiki user link so if there was a different person with the name Kaldari on  French Wikipedia I could see myself using [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Kaldari] 

... but detecting that would only be useful if it triggered a notification the the user on that other wiki, so reacting correctly to it would be difficult.

My TL;DR: is therefore it sounds like an edge case, that is not worth the effort.

• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pages
Yes.  As Matt said, there are cases where it would frequently be useful.

• support user links without requiring a signature
Definitely.  "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know"

• support user links on article pages
This should not trigger often, but I think it should be enabled.  I'd imagine being triggered would point to a newbie who needs to be shown talk pages or some sort of harassment in vandalism, but in either case I'd like to know even if somebody else fixes it through normal patrolling. 

Luke


On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes@wikimedia.org> wrote:
I would agree with Matt's evaluation. For signatures I'd suggest factoring in SineBot if it wasn't building for a single wiki - that would nicely cover situations where people forget the four tildes.

On 7 March 2013 18:02, Fabrice Florin <fflorin@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Thanks, Matthew, your good insights are much appreciated!

Let us know how that user mention notification works for you in practice.

Anyone else have suggestions about missing use cases for that feature?

-f


On Mar 7, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:

On 03/07/2013 05:30 PM, Fabrice Florin wrote:
Hey folks,

We just released a new version of Echo on MediaWiki.org, for your
interactive pleasure.

Sounds great.

Can you help us take it for a spin?

Will do.


• support links with single brackets

I think that's extremely rare and discouraged (it would be a same-wiki
or interwiki external link), so it's probably not
worth the effort.

• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pages

Probably useful (e.g. Village pump)

• support user links on article pages

Definitely not namespace 0, if that's what you mean by article.  That's
an anti-pattern.

• support user links without requiring a signature

Probably not necessary, but avoids the need for signature detection code
(do you support custom signatures like mine?) and could be useful in
some edge
cases.

Matt Flaschen

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