Bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41672
Docs and space for further discussion: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Personal_tools
This is yet another question which begs for a copy guide to be filled out at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Design/Writing_style. I really love the "copy tone" and "copy rules" lists at https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/styleguide/ for a relevant example of what we might shoot for.
I would kill the whole "my" thing with fire if possible. It's not even the "right" way to indicate possessiveness (it implies an asocial mental mode). Here's some fun reading:
http://www.designingsocialinterfaces.com/patterns.wiki/index.php?title=Your_... http://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/4348/your-vs-my-in-user-interfaces http://developer.yahoo.com/ypatterns/social/core/yourvmy.html
On Nov 2, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org wrote:
Bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41672
Docs and space for further discussion: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Personal_tools
This is yet another question which begs for a copy guide to be filled out at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Design/Writing_style. I really love the "copy tone" and "copy rules" lists at https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/styleguide/ for a relevant example of what we might shoot for.
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I agree with dropping the possessive. So long as it's implicit that the preferences are in fact the user's own preferences (which they must be since you cannot edit another user's preferences), the "my" is almost redundant. *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerromeo@gmail.com
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.orgwrote:
I would kill the whole "my" thing with fire if possible. It's noteven the "right" way to indicate possessiveness (it implies an asocial mental mode). Here's some fun reading:
http://www.designingsocialinterfaces.com/patterns.wiki/index.php?title=Your_...
http://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/4348/your-vs-my-in-user-interfaces
http://developer.yahoo.com/ypatterns/social/core/yourvmy.html
On Nov 2, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org wrote:
Bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41672
Docs and space for further discussion:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Personal_tools
This is yet another question which begs for a copy guide to be filled
out at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Design/Writing_style. I really love the "copy tone" and "copy rules" lists at https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/styleguide/ for a relevant example of what we might shoot for.
-- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/
Design mailing list Design@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design
Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
Design mailing list Design@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design
We are pretty certain we need to drop 'My' as part of the Echo initiative. In addition to taking up space, its pretty redundant considering usernames are at the beginning of the top right nav.
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerromeo@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with dropping the possessive. So long as it's implicit that the preferences are in fact the user's own preferences (which they must be since you cannot edit another user's preferences), the "my" is almost redundant. *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerromeo@gmail.com
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.orgwrote:
I would kill the whole "my" thing with fire if possible. It's noteven the "right" way to indicate possessiveness (it implies an asocial mental mode). Here's some fun reading:
http://www.designingsocialinterfaces.com/patterns.wiki/index.php?title=Your_...
http://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/4348/your-vs-my-in-user-interfaces
http://developer.yahoo.com/ypatterns/social/core/yourvmy.html
On Nov 2, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org wrote:
Bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41672
Docs and space for further discussion:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Personal_tools
This is yet another question which begs for a copy guide to be filled
out at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Design/Writing_style. I really love the "copy tone" and "copy rules" lists at https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/styleguide/ for a relevant example of what we might shoot for.
-- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/
Design mailing list Design@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design
Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
Design mailing list Design@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design
Design mailing list Design@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Vibha Bamba vbamba@wikimedia.org wrote:
We are pretty certain we need to drop 'My' as part of the Echo initiative. In addition to taking up space, its pretty redundant considering usernames are at the beginning of the top right nav.
If you guys could add your +1s either to the bug or in a comment on mediawiki.org, then it can be more easily used to support a change. :)
Will do. I fully agree.
People tend to prefer interfaces to sound more like a helpful concierge; possessives screw that up. We should nix them.
Munaf
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.orgwrote:
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Vibha Bamba vbamba@wikimedia.org wrote:
We are pretty certain we need to drop 'My' as part of the Echo initiative. In addition to taking up space, its pretty redundant considering usernames are at the beginning of the top right nav.
If you guys could add your +1s either to the bug or in a comment on mediawiki.org, then it can be more easily used to support a change. :)
-- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/
Design mailing list Design@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design
Next to that, could you consider not using a text link for "notifications" as I saw in the demo during the metrics meeting, but a Facebook/LinkedIn/whatever "bullet with a number in it" thingy? It takes up less space, is easier to internationalize (only if we keep it to numbers and don't add units :P), and we can give a title to the element for accessibility purposes. The bar with user links is already pretty heavily filled horizontally in 1024px wide screens in many languages for logged in users, so adding wide elements isn't going to look pretty.
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Op 2 nov. 2012 om 21:04 heeft Vibha Bamba vbamba@wikimedia.org het volgende geschreven:
We are pretty certain we need to drop 'My' as part of the Echo initiative. In addition to taking up space, its pretty redundant considering usernames are at the beginning of the top right nav.