A.search box moving location feels weird, B.I can see this change being part of a a header reorg in general but having search changing position on scroll feels a little funny

Replying to all comments, in line. This is an interesting exercise because it brings (back) up some flaws with our current information architecture. I'll get into that at the bottom. On May 18, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Steven Walling &lt;swalling(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: VisualEditor? I should expect that the VE's toolbar would dock just below the user toolbar. On May 19, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Jared Zimmerman < jared.zimmerman(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: change being part of a a header reorg in general but having search changing position on scroll feels a little funny Yes, I agree. This came out of our conversation the other day about reducing the number of possible search fields that may exist on a page and having them perform multiple duties. I'm not happy with the current behavior. There are a couple other ways to solve for this that come to mind immediately, but they all have flaws of some kind or another: 1) Leave the search at the same vertical point and hiding the tabs on scroll, increasing the width of the search. - This increases the vertical size of the docked toolbar (creates problems with the existing event with the logo branding, but nbd) - There's interaction issues with "when should the tabs disappear) 2) Collapse the user tools to an icon or two (so that the Echo notifications are still visible) and make the transition of the search box more elegant 3) Move the tabs (see below) that we might be able to handle the visual design of VE slightly differently (skin change?) to further differentiate it from the fixed header or vice versa. In an edit mode having two fixed headers might not be the end of the world…it might, who knows? It is my fervent hope that "edit" mode manages to eliminate a lot of controls on the page that I don't think need to be there. Search, for example, doesn't make a lot of sense to me in edit mode. Prototype. If you go through the underlying html and css, it's very hackey. further highlights the issue that there is too much going on there, see point 1.B weird flashing/bouncing happens that is disconcerting, and makes me cringe a bit. I'm using a library called "waypoints". It's possible for us to hook animations into it (when element X arrives at scroll position Y, activate animation Z) but I wasn't so much concerned with that. On May 19, 2013, at 1:47 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński &lt;matma.rex(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: jared.zimmerman(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: part of a a header reorg in general but having search changing position on scroll feels a little funny means that at least one of the designs - the "basic" one we have right now, or the scrolling one - is horribly broken. I think both, and I'll explain why below. tabs? Is it considered more important now? Yes, if only for access to the Echo badge. In the future, there may also be other important things that show up there that may need permanence but Echo is the primary use case right now. On to what I think are the main navigation problems. It is my humble opinion that the primary issue we have is the tabs. I've got a couple reasons why I don't think they work the best, but the primary one is this: They are not directly tied to the content that they control. In the Vector design, the user is trained to understand that "things inside the blue line" are content, while what is outside of that is "chrome". Further problematic is mixing *content* actions within *site* actions (via the sidebar). Moving the various tab functions inside of div.#content, perhaps directly under the article title, will tightly bind them to the content. (I also don't think they should be tabs. We break our metaphor when we have *two* active tabs at any one time.) This then leaves us plenty of space in the top for all sorts of fun stuff - like making the search box full width. I can probably throw something together to illustrate this without much effort. --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate _______________________________________________ Design mailing list Design(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design

I'm sort of goofing around with an alternative thought right now; it may be better to wait until after that's done and we can talk about everything together. On May 20, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Vibha Bamba &lt;vbamba(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate _______________________________________________ Design mailing list Design(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design