Someone in the Commons community is working on creating a free font especially for Wikimedia use. He's looking for feedback and collaboration, if any of you are interested in such a project: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Creating_a_free_and_...
Kaldari
This is really interesting and its great timing!! I am in the process of organizing a talk at Wikimedia with Stephen Coles who is one of the key editors of Typographica. I'll bring this up at the design review tomorrow.
---- Vibha Bamba Senior Designer | WMF Design
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
Someone in the Commons community is working on creating a free font especially for Wikimedia use. He's looking for feedback and collaboration, if any of you are interested in such a project:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Creating_a_free_and_...
Kaldari
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looks like we should point them to an IEG
*Jared Zimmerman * \ Director of User Experience \ Wikimedia Foundation
M +1 415 609 4043 \ @jaredzimmerman http://loo.ms/g0
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Vibha Bamba vbamba@wikimedia.org wrote:
This is really interesting and its great timing!! I am in the process of organizing a talk at Wikimedia with Stephen Coles who is one of the key editors of Typographica. I'll bring this up at the design review tomorrow.
Vibha Bamba Senior Designer | WMF Design
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
Someone in the Commons community is working on creating a free font especially for Wikimedia use. He's looking for feedback and collaboration, if any of you are interested in such a project:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Creating_a_free_and_...
Kaldari
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I tried to get into that conversation and leave a message for Kevin Song.
I could not use the regular talk page after using flow for Hovercards for the last 12 months. This is what millions of readers getting into the system feel like.
It is *so hard* to figure out where to write your comment, how to sign and how to copy the person's username.
I hope flow ships this year. Concerned sighs.
---- Vibha Bamba Senior Designer | WMF Design
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Jared Zimmerman < jared.zimmerman@wikimedia.org> wrote:
looks like we should point them to an IEG
*Jared Zimmerman * \ Director of User Experience \ Wikimedia Foundation M +1 415 609 4043 \ @jaredzimmerman http://loo.ms/g0
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Vibha Bamba vbamba@wikimedia.org wrote:
This is really interesting and its great timing!! I am in the process of organizing a talk at Wikimedia with Stephen Coles who is one of the key editors of Typographica. I'll bring this up at the design review tomorrow.
Vibha Bamba Senior Designer | WMF Design
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
Someone in the Commons community is working on creating a free font especially for Wikimedia use. He's looking for feedback and collaboration, if any of you are interested in such a project:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Creating_a_free_and_...
Kaldari
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I hope it flows this year too. For everyone.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:13 AM, Vibha Bamba vbamba@wikimedia.org wrote:
I tried to get into that conversation and leave a message for Kevin Song.
I could not use the regular talk page after using flow for Hovercards for the last 12 months. This is what millions of readers getting into the system feel like.
It is *so hard* to figure out where to write your comment, how to sign and how to copy the person's username.
I hope flow ships this year. Concerned sighs.
Vibha Bamba Senior Designer | WMF Design
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Jared Zimmerman < jared.zimmerman@wikimedia.org> wrote:
looks like we should point them to an IEG
*Jared Zimmerman * \ Director of User Experience \ Wikimedia Foundation M +1 415 609 4043 \ @jaredzimmerman http://loo.ms/g0
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Vibha Bamba vbamba@wikimedia.org wrote:
This is really interesting and its great timing!! I am in the process of organizing a talk at Wikimedia with Stephen Coles who is one of the key editors of Typographica. I'll bring this up at the design review tomorrow.
Vibha Bamba Senior Designer | WMF Design
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
Someone in the Commons community is working on creating a free font especially for Wikimedia use. He's looking for feedback and collaboration, if any of you are interested in such a project:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Creating_a_free_and_...
Kaldari
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Vibha Bamba wrote:
I tried to get into that conversation and leave a message for Kevin Song. I could not use the regular talk page after using flow for Hovercards for the last 12 months. This is what millions of readers getting into the system feel like.
Click edit.
I hope flow ships this year. Concerned sighs.
Just curious, what's the concern? Wikipedia's SEO? Have you read comments on other sites (e.g., YouTube) and compared to comments on Wikimedia wikis? There's a real cost to reducing barrier to entry. And, for what it's worth, tens of thousands of people engage in lengthy, sometimes multi-year, conversations using wikitext. Perhaps you're the outlier. :-)
I hope people working directly on Flow have mastered wikitext talk pages. As we've previously discussed on this mailing list, it's incredibly difficult to build a better solution without first fully understanding the use-cases, requirements, and intricacies of the current system.
MZMcBride
Yes, the people working on Flow have mastered wiki text talk pages. One of the engineers is User:Superm401, an admin on enwiki, and the product manager is Danny Horn, who has been a regular MediaWiki user for years.
As a meta point, you don't actually need to be a hardcore power user of any particular product to understand user needs. It helps, but it can also actually hurt when you're trying to design something new that doesn't have the same flaws. The field of user experience design and usability testing has a host of techniques to enable a skilled person to investigate and understand user needs that don't yet know through direct experience. That is why Wikimedia hires people with academic and professional experience in these fields. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 6:06 AM MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Vibha Bamba wrote:
I tried to get into that conversation and leave a message for Kevin Song. I could not use the regular talk page after using flow for Hovercards for the last 12 months. This is what millions of readers getting into the system feel like.
Click edit.
I hope flow ships this year. Concerned sighs.
Just curious, what's the concern? Wikipedia's SEO? Have you read comments on other sites (e.g., YouTube) and compared to comments on Wikimedia wikis? There's a real cost to reducing barrier to entry. And, for what it's worth, tens of thousands of people engage in lengthy, sometimes multi-year, conversations using wikitext. Perhaps you're the outlier. :-)
I hope people working directly on Flow have mastered wikitext talk pages. As we've previously discussed on this mailing list, it's incredibly difficult to build a better solution without first fully understanding the use-cases, requirements, and intricacies of the current system.
MZMcBride
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 6:06 AM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Vibha Bamba wrote:
I could not use the regular talk page after using flow for Hovercards for the last 12 months. This is what millions of readers getting into the system feel like.
Click edit.
Sure. And then...
Do I have to add the [[User:MZMcBride]] in order to trigger a notification that I've replied? Am I expected to copy the fancy markup around some users' signatures? Must I watch the page to get my own notifications back? Do I intersperse my replies with the colons and break up his post? Does the ~~~~ go on its own line?
I have been editing Wikimedia wikis since 2005, 1600 edits and another 4000 since I joined WMF. I'm pretty damn familiar with wiki markup, and yet I have close-to-no f***Ing clue on this stuff.
Clicking [Edit] to have a conversation is an *anti-feature*. It's great that there are tens of thousands of Wikipedians who feel comfortable with it. *I'm not one of them*.
Regards,
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:05 PM, S Page spage@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 6:06 AM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Vibha Bamba wrote:
I could not use the regular talk page after using flow for Hovercards for the last 12 months. This is what millions of readers getting into the system feel like.
Click edit.
Sure. And then...
Do I have to add the [[User:MZMcBride]] in order to trigger a notification that I've replied? Am I expected to copy the fancy markup around some users' signatures? Must I watch the page to get my own notifications back? Do I intersperse my replies with the colons and break up his post? Does the
I have been editing Wikimedia wikis since 2005, 1600 edits and another 4000 since I joined WMF. I'm pretty damn familiar with wiki markup, and yet I have close-to-no f***Ing clue on this stuff. Clicking [Edit] to have a conversation is an *anti-feature*. It's great that there are tens of thousands of Wikipedians who feel comfortable with it. *I'm not one of them*. I am also one of these people. I'm also certainly not one of the 1%.
Regards,
=S Page WMF Tech writer
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