I also believe that iterating on Vector is highly preferable to introducing a new skin. That said, to try and be as fair as I can to Brandon, he publicly declared last year at Wikimania London, "Winter is not a skin".
While I didn't understand his explaination of what it was, observationally it appeared to be the user interface equivalent of a futurist predicting a few years into the future in reasonable detail. Some of it will end up being true, some will not. My understanding is that the Winter implementation was of the semi-functional prototype variety and little or none of the design work was based on usability research of Vector, the status quo.
In contrast, Vector really is a skin that was implemented specifically for production use and is now a battle tested platform from which to build upon. Also, the UX improvements that were made over Monobook, the status quo at the time, were based on usability research. This is a practice we should continue with for future changes.
I know that it's sometimes exciting to people to make dramatic reveals of proposals for sweeping changes. It's also fun to get excited about them. However, this grand-unveiling boil-the-ocean approach never works out in practice. It unnecessarily strains design, developement and community engagement efforts. It is wasteful and wreckless. It is arrogant and ignorant. It's not who we are, and it's not how we do things.
Even Vector was based heavily on Monobook, and in every way in which early versions of Vector deviated from Monobook, without just cause, it was "fixed" to be more similar. This was not wrong. Making arbitrary changes was wrong. Starting from scratch is even worse.
We should carefully continue along the path of iterating on Vector. We should gradually converge it's styling and implementation with that of OOjs UI. We should continue improving usability and accessibility on a variety of form factors. We should perform research and base changes on the findings it produces. This will enable us to move forward with minimal cost, and far less drama.
- Trevor
On Monday, July 20, 2015, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
Does anybody remember Winter? - http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
Hi.
Yes, I remember Winter. It was a nice prototype.
Vector needs love, for sure. But my impression is that the Wikimedia Foundation design team has neither the focus nor the commitment to provide this support. This means you'll need volunteers, particularly ones capable of working with the Wikimedia community to modernize the interface without annoying or angering users (readers and editors alike) in the process.
My personal view is that a gradual approach is preferable to a large and sudden redesign. There's now an experimental responsive mode in the Vector skin. I'm very cautiously optimistic about its path forward.
MZMcBride
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