Dear Sean,
My thanks for your guidance and patience, and my apologees for taking so long. So far as email allowing 'really clear comms'. If it were 121 yeah OK. But we are trying to help idiots like me get ORIENTATED and after doing so, be a little useful. After going through the many singular (open) elists, I've gotta say no, it's as clear as mud.
I look at Cormac (as one example) helping to orientate people on the uni list http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/2007-November/000247.html And then ask some real pertinent questions http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/2007-November/000248.html
And then I look though (just) this list where I see Sandy Ordenez ask for some help with a blogging project, send a "yes, I'd love to help", and receive an email to a group, including yourself that talks about another 'internal group'. (" Another Wikipedian - Simon has agreed to help out with the edit wikipedia/blogging project. Schiste, when you can give me an update, so I can email to internal/comcom etc.) And then nothing. No doubt there are a thousand emails going on, which might make it clear what's happening. And the IRC meeting take place, without the records being (easily) found, and if they are, are so arcane, a newbie would have a hard time making some sense of them.
Through all of this, I see the Foundation looking to employ more staff in San Fran to do with outreach & partnership development. Meanwhile christophe doesn't understand how my mail might even pertain to this list.
OK, 'grumpy old man' is a good description. But I see you (and so many tothers) working your butt off, and while a wiki has proved quite fantastic in developing an encyclopedia/dictionary that has changed every institution's idea of what the web could be for, it's global communities are hindered by using comms tools built for an age gone by.
Come on mate. You don't need to be told this by an old man. I've read too much of what you've (and others) have written to imagine what you could do by using comms tools that were modern. All I'm saying is that if you (and the bright minds around here) can scope them, we can surely find a partner who will sponsor them.
My regards to all, simonfj
ComProj has long been a redirect to Communication Projects Group, so that hasn't changed. The projects page is what I changed the most; go take a look.
As for forums etc., I understand where you are coming from, but I also don't see what is wrong with e-mail - surely pretty much everyone on the web knows how to use e-mail, and it allows really clear communication?
Thank you for your contribution,
Sean
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On 11/22/07, simonpedia simon@cols.com.au wrote:
Dear Sean,
My thanks for your guidance and patience, and my apologees for taking so long. So far as email allowing 'really clear comms'. If it were 121 yeah OK. But we are trying to help idiots like me get ORIENTATED and after doing so, be a little useful. After going through the many singular (open) elists, I've gotta say no, it's as clear as mud.
The problem is, we are not sure as to what we will continue to do or if anything will be changed. We seem to be adjusting the group.
I look at Cormac (as one example) helping to orientate people on the uni list http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/2007-November/000247.html And then ask some real pertinent questions http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/2007-November/000248.html
And then I look though (just) this list where I see Sandy Ordenez ask for some help with a blogging project, send a "yes, I'd love to help", and receive an email to a group, including yourself that talks about another 'internal group'. (" Another Wikipedian - Simon has agreed to help out with the edit wikipedia/blogging project. Schiste, when you can give me an update, so I can email to internal/comcom etc.)
That was just a message to Schiste about a few private groups. In an organization as large as ours, you must know that there are some items/groups that won't be open to all.
And then nothing.
About your edit wikipedia/blogging project? If so, you should contact Sandy about that, she probably just forgot.
No doubt there are a thousand emails going on, which might make it clear what's happening. And the IRC meeting take place, without the records being (easily) found, and if they are, are so arcane, a newbie would have a hard time making some sense of them.
...the records are found in the navbar at the top of our ComProj pages, click "Meetings". I do admit that there hasn't been logs from the last few meetings posted (and don't have an explanation for that), but all the other logs are posted in the normal format for IRC chat logs.
Through all of this, I see the Foundation looking to employ more staff in San Fran to do with outreach & partnership development. Meanwhile christophe doesn't understand how my mail might even pertain to this list.
Your e-mail might have been hard to figure out.
OK, 'grumpy old man' is a good description. But I see you (and so many tothers) working your butt off, and while a wiki has proved quite fantastic in developing an encyclopedia/dictionary that has changed every institution's idea of what the web could be for, it's global communities are hindered by using comms tools built for an age gone by.
Come on mate. You don't need to be told this by an old man. I've read too much of what you've (and others) have written to imagine what you could do by using comms tools that were modern. All I'm saying is that if you (and the bright minds around here) can scope them, we can surely find a partner who will sponsor them.
What "comms tools" are old-age? Mailing lists? They've seemed to work fine for all of us and most people seem to agree that they're better than other tools like forums. However, if your "modern comms tools" might be something like teleconferences, I'm sure that Sandy would be happy to hear about that. :-) Though, I'm not sure how others would take it. Instead of just saying that our communication tools are antiquted, can you tell us some alternatives so we can adequately discuss this?
My regards to all, simonfj
and my regards to you.
ComProj has long been a redirect to Communication Projects Group, so that hasn't changed. The projects page is what I changed the most; go take a look.
As for forums etc., I understand where you are coming from, but I also don't see what is wrong with e-mail - surely pretty much everyone on the web knows how to use e-mail, and it allows really clear communication?
Thank you for your contribution,
Sean
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