ComProj November 2007

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Next meeting
by Sean Whitton 04 Dec '07

04 Dec '07

All, This week's meeting effectively didn't happen as there were so few of us there. I don't think it is fair to expect people to come, which for some requires some effort due to timing and the like, when we are not having a proper meeting. Therefore I would like it if we could decide before Wednesday whether or not we need a meeting. Please reply if you have any agenda items to be discussed. If I do not get any replies, I will cancel the meeting to avoid people's dissapointment :-) Thanks, Sean

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I need help :)
by Sandy Ordonez 29 Nov '07

29 Nov '07

There was a page I created (research & Polls) that was on the comproj website. It has been removed from the homepage (which is fine), but they the information that I had there was also removed. It had a list of studies i had been collecting for communication materials. Can someone help me find this lost information. The page now seems to be non existing: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communication_Projects_Group/Re… sandy -- Sandy Ordonez Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. Phone: 727.231.0101 Fax: 727.258.0207S E-Mail: sordonez(a)wikimedia.org

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Milos is your Yaar! :)
by Milos 26 Nov '07

26 Nov '07

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Mixing Directories
by simonpedia 23 Nov '07

23 Nov '07

Sean, This is why I'm entirely disorientated, Off the front page http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page I click on Comms Projects Group http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ComProj Where I click on Projects. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communication_Projects_Group/Projects And get nothing. I'm sure you want newbies to go here. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Communication_Projects_Group_-_Proje cts And the same can be said for the other links. No? _____ Hello all, Following the decisions on Wednesday I have changed the ComProj pages around to meet our new, deformalised structure. I am tired and thus probably haven't made things as clear as they should be so if someone could take a look and neaten things up that would be great. Let's see if this works :) Sean No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1140 - Release Date: 19/11/2007 7:05 PM

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Re: [ComProj] ComProj Digest, Vol 9, Issue 10
by simonpedia 23 Nov '07

23 Nov '07

Dear Sean, My thanks for your guidance and patience, and my apologees for taking so long. So far as email allowing 'really clear comms'. If it were 121 yeah OK. But we are trying to help idiots like me get ORIENTATED and after doing so, be a little useful. After going through the many singular (open) elists, I've gotta say no, it's as clear as mud. I look at Cormac (as one example) helping to orientate people on the uni list http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/2007-November/000247.html And then ask some real pertinent questions http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/2007-November/000248.html And then I look though (just) this list where I see Sandy Ordenez ask for some help with a blogging project, send a "yes, I'd love to help", and receive an email to a group, including yourself that talks about another 'internal group'. (" Another Wikipedian - Simon has agreed to help out with the edit wikipedia/blogging project. Schiste, when you can give me an update, so I can email to internal/comcom etc.) And then nothing. No doubt there are a thousand emails going on, which might make it clear what's happening. And the IRC meeting take place, without the records being (easily) found, and if they are, are so arcane, a newbie would have a hard time making some sense of them. Through all of this, I see the Foundation looking to employ more staff in San Fran to do with outreach & partnership development. Meanwhile christophe doesn't understand how my mail might even pertain to this list. OK, 'grumpy old man' is a good description. But I see you (and so many tothers) working your butt off, and while a wiki has proved quite fantastic in developing an encyclopedia/dictionary that has changed every institution's idea of what the web could be for, it's global communities are hindered by using comms tools built for an age gone by. Come on mate. You don't need to be told this by an old man. I've read too much of what you've (and others) have written to imagine what you could do by using comms tools that were modern. All I'm saying is that if you (and the bright minds around here) can scope them, we can surely find a partner who will sponsor them. My regards to all, simonfj ComProj has long been a redirect to Communication Projects Group, so that hasn't changed. The projects page is what I changed the most; go take a look. As for forums etc., I understand where you are coming from, but I also don't see what is wrong with e-mail - surely pretty much everyone on the web knows how to use e-mail, and it allows really clear communication? Thank you for your contribution, Sean No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1140 - Release Date: 19/11/2007 7:05 PM

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ComProj pages on meta have been updated
by simonpedia 16 Nov '07

16 Nov '07

* Previous message: HYPERLINK "http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/comproj/2007-November/000450.html"[Com Proj] A new system for ComProj? (please read and comment) * Next message: HYPERLINK "http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/comproj/2007-November/000452.html"[Com Proj] Meeting in an hour and a half * Messages sorted by: HYPERLINK "http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/comproj/2007-November/date.html#451"[ date ] HYPERLINK "http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/comproj/2007-November/thread.html#451" [ thread ] HYPERLINK "http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/comproj/2007-November/subject.html#451 "[ subject ] HYPERLINK "http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/comproj/2007-November/author.html#451" [ author ] _____ Hello all, Following the decisions on Wednesday I have changed the ComProj pages around to meet our new, deformalised structure. I am tired and thus probably haven't made things as clear as they should be so if someone could take a look and neaten things up that would be great. Let's see if this works :) Sean Hey Sean, Just had a look. I’m totally exhausted too. Talk about mixing directories. But I can see where you’re going. Goodoh. Reading between the lines, we have been here. HYPERLINK "http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ComProj"http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ComPr oj And now we’re here. HYPERLINK "http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communication_Projects_Group"http://meta.wik imedia.org/wiki/Communication_Projects_Group So I guess this is what yuall discussed at the last IRC meeting although there is no record yet. Look I can only suggest to you that we’ve got to start thinking outside the square(s). There comes a time where a wiki can’t be all things to all people, and the comms tools wikipedians are offered (IRC, elists) are just past their use bys.. It comes down to this. HYPERLINK "http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communication_Projects_Group/Projects/Discus sion_Outlets"http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communication_Projects_Group/Pro jects/Discussion_Outlets I’m asking you to think from the “discussion inlets” perspective, where every inlet will be based around some group or committee. Ultimately, just like a wiki, if you give people the right tools, and make their use simple enough, and show them through using it, they’ll find their own level. Where a wiki has proved just so incredibly successful for producing a library, we need something just as simple to use which supports their communication, and by this I mean both the asynchronous stuff – where I’ve pointed to sitepoint.com’s forums and blogs as an example – but also their real time comms, which range from an msg type tool all the way through to accessgrid-type rooms.or meeting space a la HYPERLINK "http://labspace.open.ac.uk/"http://labspace.open.ac.uk/ If it needs a manual, forget it. So as a starting point can I again suggest that we consider designing a forum. The integration with instant messaging tools can be something which is considered while it grows legs. And could we (me) see about getting a sponsor (and development partner) for “it”, because the higher bandwidth stuff will blow any budget even if it’s halfway as successful as Wikipedia. All the best, simonfj No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1132 - Release Date: 15/11/2007 9:34 AM

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(no subject)
by balwant 15 Nov '07

15 Nov '07

hello everyone , i am very happy that you considered my mail. but i am simply surprised the material you people have sent me . its none of my concern . idont know wat to do with this material . let me remind you i am a student, B.Tech in electrical stream . i would be very happy if you send me some relevant material , which may be of my concern

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Meeting in an hour and a half
by Sean Whitton 14 Nov '07

14 Nov '07

Hey all, Please reply to me with agenda items since it is so short before the meeting. Thanks, Sean

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ComProj pages on meta have been updated
by Sean Whitton 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

Hello all, Following the decisions on Wednesday I have changed the ComProj pages around to meet our new, deformalised structure. I am tired and thus probably haven't made things as clear as they should be so if someone could take a look and neaten things up that would be great. Let's see if this works :) Sean

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A new system for ComProj? (please read and comment)
by simonpedia 08 Nov '07

08 Nov '07

Dear Sean, I was reading “So how do we solve this? I think that we need to make some fundamental decisions, as a group, about how we want ComProj to work. Do we need to formalise, bring in membership requirements (i.e. doing work, not that people should be qualified to join initially), or do we need to stop worrying about set projects and simply have a pool of people to access via the mailing list. Unsurprisingly, since I am chair and we are in this situation, I am stumped. Ideas welcome”. I think the Foundation has to take a very different approach to its comms, and specifically the tools it uses to communicate between its groups, and with members. Mail lists have been fine to date but these days, due to social networking sites (I.e online environments), peoples’ expectations have been raised. Two things have been noted around here lately. The first is spam generated by (your) mail lists = a very common complaint. The second is the silo effect caused by having a bunch of lists. The third problem, from my perspective, is the great confusion (and waste) in having my inbox filled with huge nos. of messages which never seem to relate to one another. It’s simply overwhelming. I’ve had a brief conversation with the guys on the UK list (mainly re; Wikimania) and made a few suggestions. (using an old sandy dorotheo mail account to keep the spam on another machine). I’ve also done a brief survey of my mates to see if they’ve noticed the “discussion” tab on Wikimedia articles. They hadn’t. Look I’d love to help; not only in improving the approach to comms tools, but also in getting a large sponsor(s) to be involved with the improvement. I’ll point you at this environment, as an e.g of what I’m suggesting straight up. A picture tells a 1000 words. HYPERLINK "http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/"http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/ It’s about 250 on Alexa’s top 500. One thing I need to know though. Wikipediafoundation doesn’t ask for advertising/sponsorships, which is a good thing (I feel). But if we are to see its members’ comms have the same global effect as it’s libraries, then the Foundation really does need to consider partnering with some global IT companies. Either that, or partnering with some (other) NREN’s (like SURFnet) or/and their National libraries. If it goes the first way, then (logically) it makes sense to get one (or a number of) global IT company to be host to the Wiki content (and comms). i.e it would own no boxes and have no bandwidth concerns. If it goes the second way, then it acts a “clearing house/library” for a bunch of potential (global) research programmes (in different languages). Members would go for research grants in global groups. (If there’s another approach, I’d love to hear it). It makes no difference which way the foundation might want to go. I’m sure it’s aims, and its model, are true. The question now is, at least for this bunny, how it might do for the “real time” world what it has done for the “asynchronous” one. By this I mean, how can it put some shape on these kinds of IP comms tools. At the thin end = HYPERLINK "http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/resource/view.php?id=149401"http://openlear n.open.ac.uk/mod/resource/view.php?id=149401 At the fat end = HYPERLINK "http://www.accessgrid.org/"http://www.accessgrid.org/ And give their content a memory. All the best, Simonfj PS I note “The Communications Project Group is dedicated to unifying individuals”. Hmmm. And there I was thinking it just aimed to help global groups to communicate. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.24/1115 - Release Date: 7/11/2007 9:21 AM

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