I've just been introduced to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby which lists articles near your current location and from the thumbnail it is fairly obvious whether it has an image or not.
Has anyone tried using this in outreach to photographers?
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WereSpielChequers, 16/02/2016 10:26:
I've just been introduced to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby which lists articles near your current location and from the thumbnail it is fairly obvious whether it has an image or not.
Why not use https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/ ?
Nemo
Hoi, <grin> the wikishootme has a shitload of items that do not have an image.. Nearby does NOT give me anything without an image as it so happens. </grin>
Wikishootsme is great for photographers. Thanks, GerardM
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WereSpielChequers, 16/02/2016 10:26:
I've just been introduced to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby which lists articles near your current location and from the thumbnail it is fairly obvious whether it has an image or not.
Why not use https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/ ?
Nemo
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One advisory, one suggestion about wikishootme:
Advisory: since it goes by Wikidata, it has lots of gaps - e.g., I'm planning on taking a bike ride today, and the first 4-5 nearby items suggested by wikishootme had pictures in enwiki that just hadn't been added to wikidata yet. So prepare to spend some time pre-photography with useful.js useful.jshttps://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/wikidata_useful.js or another similar tool to make sure you're actually going towards something that is useful. That may make it less useful for wikiamateurs :/
Suggestion: Maybe integrate that functionality directly into wikishootme? ("this has no picture, but the article does, review and add it?")
(FYI, there is also a several minute lag between adding images in wikidata and having them removed from wikishootme.)
Luis
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 2:21 AM Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, <grin> the wikishootme has a shitload of items that do not have an image.. Nearby does NOT give me anything without an image as it so happens. </grin>
Wikishootsme is great for photographers. Thanks, GerardM
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WereSpielChequers, 16/02/2016 10:26:
I've just been introduced to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby which lists articles near your current location and from the thumbnail it is fairly obvious whether it has an image or not.
Why not use https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/ ?
Nemo
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Luis Villa, 16/02/2016 18:45:
Suggestion: Maybe integrate that functionality directly into wikishootme? ("this has no picture, but the article does, review and add it?")
The "standard" way would be to make wikishootme output a pagepile to be fed into wdfist: https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/
Nemo
Federico Leva (Nemo), 16/02/2016 18:59:
The "standard" way would be to make wikishootme output a pagepile to be fed into wdfist: https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/
Correction: there *is* already such a warning which links wdfist, with a query using around[]: "You can also check if Wikipedia already has suitable images for these items, here" e.g. https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/index.html?wdq=around%5b625,45.000000,...
FWIW, this doesn't work for me on mobile (at least on Firefox for Android) - beyond the clunky UI, results never load. So it'll need some work to become an integrated solution for would-be photographers.
Luis
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Federico Leva (Nemo), 16/02/2016 18:59:
The "standard" way would be to make wikishootme output a pagepile to be fed into wdfist: https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/
Correction: there *is* already such a warning which links wdfist, with a query using around[]: "You can also check if Wikipedia already has suitable images for these items, here" e.g.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/index.html?wdq=around%5b625,45.000000,...
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What doesn't load - wikishootme or wdfist? The latter is really not intended for mobile, with hover buttons and all.
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FWIW, this doesn't work for me on mobile (at least on Firefox for Android)
- beyond the clunky UI, results never load. So it'll need some work to
become an integrated solution for would-be photographers.
Luis
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Federico Leva (Nemo), 16/02/2016 18:59:
The "standard" way would be to make wikishootme output a pagepile to be fed into wdfist: https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/
Correction: there *is* already such a warning which links wdfist, with a query using around[]: "You can also check if Wikipedia already has suitable images for these items, here" e.g.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/index.html?wdq=around%5b625,45.000000,...
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wdfist loads, but no results ever show. Totally fine that it doesn't support mobile - obviously a different kind of tool. Just saying it's not the solution for wikishootme :)
Luis
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What doesn't load - wikishootme or wdfist? The latter is really not intended for mobile, with hover buttons and all.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:38 PM Luis Villa luis@lu.is wrote:
FWIW, this doesn't work for me on mobile (at least on Firefox for Android) - beyond the clunky UI, results never load. So it'll need some work to become an integrated solution for would-be photographers.
Luis
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Federico Leva (Nemo), 16/02/2016 18:59:
The "standard" way would be to make wikishootme output a pagepile to be fed into wdfist: https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/
Correction: there *is* already such a warning which links wdfist, with a query using around[]: "You can also check if Wikipedia already has suitable images for these items, here" e.g.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/index.html?wdq=around%5b625,45.000000,...
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It is, unless you insist on matching existing images to Wikidata items on your phone instead of your desktop/laptop :)
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wdfist loads, but no results ever show. Totally fine that it doesn't support mobile - obviously a different kind of tool. Just saying it's not the solution for wikishootme :)
Luis
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What doesn't load - wikishootme or wdfist? The latter is really not intended for mobile, with hover buttons and all.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:38 PM Luis Villa luis@lu.is wrote:
FWIW, this doesn't work for me on mobile (at least on Firefox for Android) - beyond the clunky UI, results never load. So it'll need some work to become an integrated solution for would-be photographers.
Luis
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:09 AM Federico Leva (Nemo) < nemowiki@gmail.com> wrote:
Federico Leva (Nemo), 16/02/2016 18:59:
The "standard" way would be to make wikishootme output a pagepile to
be
fed into wdfist: https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/
Correction: there *is* already such a warning which links wdfist, with a query using around[]: "You can also check if Wikipedia already has suitable images for these items, here" e.g.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/index.html?wdq=around%5b625,45.000000,...
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It would be nice to have a fairly complete solution on my phone, since that's what I have with me when I'm traveling or out and about. If I relied only on wikishootme when I went for my long bike ride Tuesday, I would have spent a lot of time going to places that actually already had photos despite what wikishootme said, which makes it a not-very-useful tool.
Luis
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
It is, unless you insist on matching existing images to Wikidata items on your phone instead of your desktop/laptop :)
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 3:53 PM Luis Villa luis@lu.is wrote:
wdfist loads, but no results ever show. Totally fine that it doesn't support mobile - obviously a different kind of tool. Just saying it's not the solution for wikishootme :)
Luis
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:51 AM Magnus Manske < magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
What doesn't load - wikishootme or wdfist? The latter is really not intended for mobile, with hover buttons and all.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:38 PM Luis Villa luis@lu.is wrote:
FWIW, this doesn't work for me on mobile (at least on Firefox for Android) - beyond the clunky UI, results never load. So it'll need some work to become an integrated solution for would-be photographers.
Luis
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Federico Leva (Nemo), 16/02/2016 18:59:
The "standard" way would be to make wikishootme output a pagepile to
be
fed into wdfist: https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/
Correction: there *is* already such a warning which links wdfist, with a query using around[]: "You can also check if Wikipedia already has suitable images for these items, here" e.g.
https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/index.html?wdq=around%5b625,45.000000,...
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Just load the area on your desktop/laptop first, then click through to WDFIST and add the ones already on Wikipedia. Wikidata has more items with images than any single Wikipedia (save en).
The root problem, ob course, lies with Wikipedia being free text. There is no way to say "wait, Wikipedia has an image already!", unless you want to include every navbox logo etc. and generate a huge false negative list.
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:44 PM Luis Villa luis@lu.is wrote:
It would be nice to have a fairly complete solution on my phone, since that's what I have with me when I'm traveling or out and about. If I relied only on wikishootme when I went for my long bike ride Tuesday, I would have spent a lot of time going to places that actually already had photos despite what wikishootme said, which makes it a not-very-useful tool.
Luis
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
It is, unless you insist on matching existing images to Wikidata items on your phone instead of your desktop/laptop :)
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 3:53 PM Luis Villa luis@lu.is wrote:
wdfist loads, but no results ever show. Totally fine that it doesn't support mobile - obviously a different kind of tool. Just saying it's not the solution for wikishootme :)
Luis
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:51 AM Magnus Manske < magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
What doesn't load - wikishootme or wdfist? The latter is really not intended for mobile, with hover buttons and all.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:38 PM Luis Villa luis@lu.is wrote:
FWIW, this doesn't work for me on mobile (at least on Firefox for Android) - beyond the clunky UI, results never load. So it'll need some work to become an integrated solution for would-be photographers.
Luis
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:09 AM Federico Leva (Nemo) < nemowiki@gmail.com> wrote:
Federico Leva (Nemo), 16/02/2016 18:59: > The "standard" way would be to make wikishootme output a pagepile to be > fed into wdfist: https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/
Correction: there *is* already such a warning which links wdfist, with a query using around[]: "You can also check if Wikipedia already has suitable images for these items, here" e.g.
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I just discovered wikishootme via this thread, thank you. Looking forward to using it.
Jonathan: I've never done that sort of outreach, just photo contests. But sending such a list to a photo archive or local photographer, & asking for representative photos, is a nice idea. You might ask Geograph.org if they did similar outreach.
Magnus:
Wikidata has more items with images than any single Wikipedia (save en)
As it shoot be.
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Just load the area on your desktop/laptop first, then click through to WDFIST and add the ones already on Wikipedia. Wikidata has more items with images than any single Wikipedia (save en).
The root problem, ob course, lies with Wikipedia being free text. There is no way to say "wait, Wikipedia has an image already!", unless you want to include every navbox logo etc. and generate a huge false negative list.
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:44 PM Luis Villa luis@lu.is wrote:
It would be nice to have a fairly complete solution on my phone, since that's what I have with me when I'm traveling or out and about. If I relied only on wikishootme when I went for my long bike ride Tuesday, I would have spent a lot of time going to places that actually already had photos despite what wikishootme said, which makes it a not-very-useful tool.
Luis
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM Magnus Manske < magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
It is, unless you insist on matching existing images to Wikidata items on your phone instead of your desktop/laptop :)
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 3:53 PM Luis Villa luis@lu.is wrote:
wdfist loads, but no results ever show. Totally fine that it doesn't support mobile - obviously a different kind of tool. Just saying it's not the solution for wikishootme :)
Luis
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:51 AM Magnus Manske < magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
What doesn't load - wikishootme or wdfist? The latter is really not intended for mobile, with hover buttons and all.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:38 PM Luis Villa luis@lu.is wrote:
FWIW, this doesn't work for me on mobile (at least on Firefox for Android) - beyond the clunky UI, results never load. So it'll need some work to become an integrated solution for would-be photographers.
Luis
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> Federico Leva (Nemo), 16/02/2016 18:59: > > The "standard" way would be to make wikishootme output a pagepile > to be > > fed into wdfist: https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/ > > Correction: there *is* already such a warning which links wdfist, > with a > query using around[]: "You can also check if Wikipedia already has > suitable images for these items, here" e.g. > > https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/index.html?wdq=around%5b625,45.000000,... > > _______________________________________________ > Commons-l mailing list > Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l > _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
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On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 7:49 AM Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
Just load the area on your desktop/laptop first, then click through to WDFIST and add the ones already on Wikipedia. Wikidata has more items with images than any single Wikipedia (save en).
I'm doing that! But it is awkward/less effective when I'm out and traveling. (I should already be on my bicycle today and instead I am still at my laptop - a bad outcome ;)
The root problem, ob course, lies with Wikipedia being free text. There is no way to say "wait, Wikipedia has an image already!", unless you want to include every navbox logo etc. and generate a huge false negative list.
I know it is hard :) But Wikidata game and wikidata_useful.js are both pretty good at it, at least in my experience (may be different in areas with less dense photography?)
I'm not asking for Wikishootme to automatically identify items that don't have images; that obviously is very difficult. But it might be helpful to have a small icon in each row that takes you to something like the Wikidata game "no image" for that Q item.
So something like:
1. Look at wikishootme. 2. See an item on the list that is very famous; think "it must already have a picture"
3, currently: on desktop, as you say, I can use wdfist or wikidata_useful.js - if I know those tools exist!
3, currently: on mobile, or on desktop if I don't know those tools exist: hard to solve the problem.
3, *ideally*: click on a button that takes me to http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/#mode=no_image for that Q item. I quickly fix the problem, and go back to finding sites to photograph.
Hope that feedback helps! to be clear, I think this is an awesome tool, I'm offering suggestions to make it even more useful/fun for people trying to find things to do/ways to contribute. Luis
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:44 PM Luis Villa luis@lu.is wrote:
It would be nice to have a fairly complete solution on my phone, since that's what I have with me when I'm traveling or out and about. If I relied only on wikishootme when I went for my long bike ride Tuesday, I would have spent a lot of time going to places that actually already had photos despite what wikishootme said, which makes it a not-very-useful tool.
Luis
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 8:32 AM Magnus Manske < magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
It is, unless you insist on matching existing images to Wikidata items on your phone instead of your desktop/laptop :)
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 3:53 PM Luis Villa luis@lu.is wrote:
wdfist loads, but no results ever show. Totally fine that it doesn't support mobile - obviously a different kind of tool. Just saying it's not the solution for wikishootme :)
Luis
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:51 AM Magnus Manske < magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
What doesn't load - wikishootme or wdfist? The latter is really not intended for mobile, with hover buttons and all.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:38 PM Luis Villa luis@lu.is wrote:
FWIW, this doesn't work for me on mobile (at least on Firefox for Android) - beyond the clunky UI, results never load. So it'll need some work to become an integrated solution for would-be photographers.
Luis
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