After receiving a complaint in the office about our retaining an image on an article which was causing great distress to the living survivors of the depicted individuals, I noticed the relavent discussion at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Three_Dead _Navy_SEALs_in_Operation_Redwing.PNG. I'm rather shocked and surprised that our contributors can so callously treat the feelings of living individuals just so that we can upload "free" photographs of dead people; pictures which are certainly not necessary to our projects.
This is not the same thing as censorship...this involves close personal connections between living and dead people.
We regularly delete photographs of individuals based on personality rights; not because we're afraid of being sued but because it's the right thing to do. The insistence that we undelete these photos simply because they're free and that they're not against policy, without any consideration of the living survivors casts a rather dim shadow on our underlying efforts, that of sharing knowledge.
I sincerely hope some individuals with sympathetic concerns weigh in on the discussion.
(My comment at http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3ADeletion_requests% 2FFile%3AThree_Dead_Navy_SEALs_in_Operation_Redwing.PNG&diff=17521626&oldid= 17519286, for reference).
Cary Bass [[User:Bastique]]
2009/1/9 Cary Bass cary@wikimedia.org:
After receiving a complaint in the office about our retaining an image on an article which was causing great distress to the living survivors of the depicted individuals, I noticed the relavent discussion at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Three_Dead _Navy_SEALs_in_Operation_Redwing.PNG. I'm rather shocked and surprised that our contributors can so callously treat the feelings of living individuals just so that we can upload "free" photographs of dead people; pictures which are certainly not necessary to our projects.
This is not the same thing as censorship...this involves close personal connections between living and dead people.
We regularly delete photographs of individuals based on personality rights; not because we're afraid of being sued but because it's the right thing to do. The insistence that we undelete these photos simply because they're free and that they're not against policy, without any consideration of the living survivors casts a rather dim shadow on our underlying efforts, that of sharing knowledge.
I sincerely hope some individuals with sympathetic concerns weigh in on the discussion.
(My comment at http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3ADeletion_requests% 2FFile%3AThree_Dead_Navy_SEALs_in_Operation_Redwing.PNG&diff=17521626&oldid= 17519286, for reference).
Cary Bass [[User:Bastique]]
Not going to happen. We have a fair number of photos that would probably upset people including close family members. We have a lot of content that would upset people full stop. Throw in the general fear of what could follow if we compromise on this and that rather a lot of wikipedians don't exactly function socially in a conventional manner and you are unlikely to make much progress.
Now me I would argue it on copyright grounds since historical practice is to ignore the afghan anomaly since at some point they will sort out a copyright system and deleting a lot of stuff as a result is likely to be time consuming.
I second what geni: I fully sympathise with Cary's feelings, which are considerate and human, but opening the door to such deletions would have very troubling implications for historical documentation.
I would be happy if the questionable copyright status of the image could suffice to settle for a deletion. -- Rama
On 09/01/2009, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/9 Cary Bass cary@wikimedia.org:
After receiving a complaint in the office about our retaining an image on an article which was causing great distress to the living survivors of the depicted individuals, I noticed the relavent discussion at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Three_Dead _Navy_SEALs_in_Operation_Redwing.PNG. I'm rather shocked and surprised that our contributors can so callously treat the feelings of living individuals just so that we can upload "free" photographs of dead people; pictures which are certainly not necessary to our projects.
This is not the same thing as censorship...this involves close personal connections between living and dead people.
We regularly delete photographs of individuals based on personality rights; not because we're afraid of being sued but because it's the right thing to do. The insistence that we undelete these photos simply because they're free and that they're not against policy, without any consideration of the living survivors casts a rather dim shadow on our underlying efforts, that of sharing knowledge.
I sincerely hope some individuals with sympathetic concerns weigh in on the discussion.
(My comment at http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3ADeletion_requests% 2FFile%3AThree_Dead_Navy_SEALs_in_Operation_Redwing.PNG&diff=17521626&oldid= 17519286, for reference).
Cary Bass [[User:Bastique]]
Not going to happen. We have a fair number of photos that would probably upset people including close family members. We have a lot of content that would upset people full stop. Throw in the general fear of what could follow if we compromise on this and that rather a lot of wikipedians don't exactly function socially in a conventional manner and you are unlikely to make much progress.
Now me I would argue it on copyright grounds since historical practice is to ignore the afghan anomaly since at some point they will sort out a copyright system and deleting a lot of stuff as a result is likely to be time consuming.
-- geni
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On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:32 PM, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/9 Cary Bass cary@wikimedia.org:
After receiving a complaint in the office about our retaining an image on an article which was causing great distress to the living survivors of the depicted individuals, I noticed the relavent discussion at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Three_Dead_Navy_SEALs_in_Operation_Redwing.PNG. I'm rather shocked and surprised
that our contributors can so callously treat the feelings of living individuals just so that we can upload "free" photographs of dead people; pictures which are certainly not necessary to our projects.
This is not the same thing as censorship...this involves close personal connections between living and dead people.
We regularly delete photographs of individuals based on personality rights; not because we're afraid of being sued but because it's the right thing to do. The insistence that we undelete these photos simply because they're free and that they're not against policy, without any consideration of the living survivors casts a rather dim shadow on our underlying efforts, that of sharing knowledge.
I sincerely hope some individuals with sympathetic concerns weigh in on the discussion.
(My comment at http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3ADeletion_requests% 2FFile%3AThree_Dead_Navy_SEALs_in_Operation_Redwing.PNG&diff=17521626&oldid= 17519286, for reference).
Cary Bass [[User:Bastique]]
Not going to happen. We have a fair number of photos that would probably upset people including close family members. We have a lot of content that would upset people full stop. Throw in the general fear of what could follow if we compromise on this and that rather a lot of wikipedians don't exactly function socially in a conventional manner and you are unlikely to make much progress.
Now me I would argue it on copyright grounds since historical practice is to ignore the afghan anomaly since at some point they will sort out a copyright system and deleting a lot of stuff as a result is likely to be time consuming.
-- geni
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