I am forwarding this with kind permission from Dror.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dror Kamir dqamir@bezeqint.net Date: 2009/1/13 Subject: Re: Pikiwiki on commons-l To: ChrisiPK ChrisiPK@gmail.com
Hi,
I've just subscribed to commons-l, but it'll take some time until the subscription is approved. In the meantime, I'm sending you my response to some of the comments I saw on the thread:
1. The "Pikiwiki" project has been planned for very long time. I consulted Carry and Brianna before starting the whole thing, and I posted a detailed explanation about it on the Meta. This project has a management and legal counseling. There is no need for any member of the Commons community to verify the legality of the license statement, as we provide full guarantee that anyone who contributes images to the project waives his copyrights in the manner required by the Israeli law. "We" means Wikimedia Israel, The Israeli Internet Association and The Center for Educational Technology.
2. The rules of the project are in line with the rules and scope of the Commons. A person who opens an account on "Pikiwiki" can in principle open an account on the Commons and contribute his images to the Commons directly. However, we believe more Israelis will contribute images on a localized Hebrew-speaking site.
3. The images uploaded will be screened for abuses before and after they are uploaded to the Commons. Of course, once they are uploaded the Commons admins will check them too. All we ask is that the admins inform us before deleting or renaming an image uploaded through this project.
3. We want to show people how they can use the Commons via a localized interface as a tool to learn about their own local history and geography. For this purpose we want to upload the images to the Commons, but at the same time keep our own "catalog", which will have categories and descriptions relevant to Israeli users. Searching the images using this "catalog" will be available through the localized site. The problem is, that we need to locate the image on the commons, once we find its ID on our "catalog". We though to attach an ID to the file's name, but any other idea is welcomed.
4. Naturally, people will describe the images in Hebrew. We can offer them to supply an English description as well (most Israelis speak some English), but we cannot present our project as an Israeli one and force people to use English. Translating the description can be done gradually.
Dror
ציטוט ChrisiPK:
Hi Dror,
I wrote a reply to your post on the commons-l mailing list. As I am not sure whether you subscribed the list now, I am giving you the link where you can read what I wrote: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2009-January/004486.html
I'd be glad if you could adress my concerns and post your reply to the commons-l mailing list. Subscribing, at least for a limited period of time, wouldn't hurt, I guess, in case more questions come up.
Thanks and best regards,
ChrisiPK
Dror Kamir wrote:
- The images uploaded will be screened for abuses before and after
they are uploaded to the Commons.
That's what I was requesting. :)
All we ask is that the admins inform us before deleting or renaming an image uploaded through this project.
What about giving you a CommonsTicker?
- We want to show people how they can use the Commons via a localized
interface as a tool to learn about their own local history and geography. For this purpose we want to upload the images to the Commons, but at the same time keep our own "catalog", which will have categories and descriptions relevant to Israeli users. Searching the images using this "catalog" will be available through the localized site. The problem is, that we need to locate the image on the commons, once we find its ID on our "catalog". We though to attach an ID to the file's name, but any other idea is welcomed.
YOu should define what file names you want to use on pikiwiki. Will people refer to files using a number? Using a hebrew name? An English name? Which name of those will be provided at commons? (eg. you could use hebrew name at pikiwiki, and have the reviewer to put an English name to the image, used on commons). For Wikimedia Commons, the identifier is the filename. If you also use the filename as id, they can be the same (also handy for you to show other commons images). OTOH, if you use a different one (eg. a nuumber) there will be a need to match them in both directions. Pikiwiki will ahve a link to commons, and commons to pikiwiki so including the id into the file name is not so important (of course you can still do it if you wish). It may provide a little help when searchign for the source from a reuser site, but finding where to put the id is probably equally hard as to get to the proper search box to put the filename. If you want to intrinsecally attribute the file to you, add the ppikiwiki link and image url to the metadata (unless you want to provi).
- Naturally, people will describe the images in Hebrew. We can offer
them to supply an English description as well (most Israelis speak some English), but we cannot present our project as an Israeli one and force people to use English. Translating the description can be done gradually.
Of course, that can't be a hard requeriment. Although adding the ability to easily place descriptions on other languages would be nice.