FWIW, I think {{Licensed-PD-Art}} with CC-BY for the digital image is perfectly acceptable here.
And yes, in many countries, these are PD, period. Where I'm coming from is this: The Wellcome Trust didn't have to release these images under a free license at all. They had them under a CC-NC one, and many of their current ones still are. Yet, they invested time, money, effort, and probably quite some infighting with legal etc. to get them under a free license. They /try/ to open up as fast as they can. Slapping them in the face by screaming MOAR is, irrespective of the legal situation, unlikely to help.
If this goes well for them, they'll probably release more images under free licenses. Maybe even switch to CC-0 for some.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Christoph Braun < christoph.braun.de@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I'd go for #3. CC-BY is just one small step up from PD, so I
really don't see the practical harm.
Wiki Commons is used for a lot of things. Copyfraud promotion should not be one of them.
I explicitly advise against using #3 for this collection or any other. Using #3 would imply that we a) didn't care about the public domain and b) didn't understand the idea behind CC licences. If we acknowledge such copyright claims, we also acknowledge the possibility of legal action in case of copyright violations (e.g. by violating the terms of the licence). Apart from this ideological thought, the actual legal enforceability of these copyright claims depends on your local jurisdiction. Yet, I don't think the Wellcome Library released this collection with the intention of pursuing licence breaches.
As noted on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Wellcome_Imageswe could create something similar to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Walters_Art_Museum_license It's not like we didn't encounter this issue before.
Regards, Christoph
2014/1/21 Edward Summers ehs@pobox.com
oops, I forgot:
[1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2014-January/007014.html
On Jan 21, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Edward Summers ehs@pobox.com wrote:
On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Magnus Manske <
magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
So, we have the following options:
- Ignore them (pity)
- Upload them as public domain and re-iterate the National Portrait
Gallery issue, and teach them that these open content wiki people are not to be trusted
- Label them CC-BY so the Wellcome Trust can get a mandatory
attribution, which we would do anyway
Personally, I'd go for #3. CC-BY is just one small step up from PD, so
I really don't see the practical harm.
Agreed, #3 definitely seems like the best course of action to try first.
Magnus, I suspect you already saw that I emailed Wellcome’s image folks
[1]. If you have any other contacts at Wellcome that could help out please let me know and I will email them directly.
//Ed
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FWIW, I think {{Licensed-PD-Art}} with CC-BY for the digital image is perfectly acceptable here.
Per Magnus & Christoph, I went ahead and created < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-Art-Wellcome_Trust%3E
Feel free to comment on-wiki.