This spun off from a different discussion elsewhere, but I was wondering about the possibility of printing Christmas cards based on images from Commons. Maybe a partnership with a printing company could be made for next year's fundraiser? (I'd buy them!)
Angela
Sounds like a great idea Angela.Regards, Zachary Harden> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:13:52 +1100> From: beesley@gmail.com> To: commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Commons-l] Commons greetings cards> > This spun off from a different discussion elsewhere, but I was> wondering about the possibility of printing Christmas cards based on> images from Commons. Maybe a partnership with a printing company could> be made for next year's fundraiser? (I'd buy them!)> > Angela> > _______________________________________________> Commons-l mailing list> Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org> http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007
I'd buy them too! :)
-Giggy
On Dec 22, 2007 12:23 PM, Zachary Harden zscout370@hotmail.com wrote:
Sounds like a great idea Angela.
Regards,
Zachary Harden
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:13:52 +1100 From: beesley@gmail.com To: commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Commons-l] Commons greetings cards
This spun off from a different discussion elsewhere, but I was wondering about the possibility of printing Christmas cards based on images from Commons. Maybe a partnership with a printing company could be made for next year's fundraiser? (I'd buy them!)
Angela
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On 22/12/2007, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
This spun off from a different discussion elsewhere, but I was wondering about the possibility of printing Christmas cards based on images from Commons. Maybe a partnership with a printing company could be made for next year's fundraiser? (I'd buy them!)
Angela
I don't think Commons should officially release greetings cards for a religious festival. Greetings cards could generate funds but would not further our aims. Why don't we direct fundraising efforts at something that will also further the aims of the Wikimedia Fondation and/or Commons? Ideally, this would be something educational or informative. For Wikipedia, for example, this might be producing and selling WikiBooks to generate funds.
I also don't think Wikimedia/Commons should endorse one particular religion (or religious festival) in this way. Transcending cultural barriers is core to what we are trying to achieve and giving a nod to a particular religious/cultural practice doesn't seem compatible.
I think the cards are a great idea. As to transcending cultural barriers, I don't recall seeing that in our charter. Let's not read into this more than is there. We have great images. Images make great cards. Holiday cards spread good cheer. We need money. People buy cards. Everyone wins. I'd buy them for sure!
John
On Dec 21, 2007 8:47 PM, Oldak Quill oldakquill@gmail.com wrote:
On 22/12/2007, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
This spun off from a different discussion elsewhere, but I was wondering about the possibility of printing Christmas cards based on images from Commons. Maybe a partnership with a printing company could be made for next year's fundraiser? (I'd buy them!)
Angela
I don't think Commons should officially release greetings cards for a religious festival. Greetings cards could generate funds but would not further our aims. Why don't we direct fundraising efforts at something that will also further the aims of the Wikimedia Fondation and/or Commons? Ideally, this would be something educational or informative. For Wikipedia, for example, this might be producing and selling WikiBooks to generate funds.
I also don't think Wikimedia/Commons should endorse one particular religion (or religious festival) in this way. Transcending cultural barriers is core to what we are trying to achieve and giving a nod to a particular religious/cultural practice doesn't seem compatible.
-- Oldak Quill (oldakquill@gmail.com)
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We could always leave the cards blank so people can use the cards for whatever purpose they wish. Not only this will transcend the cultural barrier, but also gives us more times of the year to actually make cards and sell cards.Regards, Zachary Harden
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:46:29 -0800From: johntexster@gmail.comTo: commons-l@lists.wikimedia.orgSubject: Re: [Commons-l] Commons greetings cardsI think the cards are a great idea. As to transcending cultural barriers, I don't recall seeing that in our charter. Let's not read into this more than is there. We have great images. Images make great cards. Holiday cards spread good cheer. We need money. People buy cards. Everyone wins. I'd buy them for sure! John On Dec 21, 2007 8:47 PM, Oldak Quill oldakquill@gmail.com wrote:
On 22/12/2007, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:> This spun off from a different discussion elsewhere, but I was> wondering about the possibility of printing Christmas cards based on > images from Commons. Maybe a partnership with a printing company could> be made for next year's fundraiser? (I'd buy them!)>> AngelaI don't think Commons should officially release greetings cards for a religious festival. Greetings cards could generate funds but would notfurther our aims. Why don't we direct fundraising efforts at somethingthat will also further the aims of the Wikimedia Fondation and/or Commons? Ideally, this would be something educational or informative.For Wikipedia, for example, this might be producing and sellingWikiBooks to generate funds.I also don't think Wikimedia/Commons should endorse one particular religion (or religious festival) in this way. Transcending culturalbarriers is core to what we are trying to achieve and giving a nod toa particular religious/cultural practice doesn't seem compatible.--Oldak Quill (oldakquill@gmail.com)
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Yeah, but that opens up the new issue of which images we can actually use....I mean, we can't exactly put a Christmas tree on a greeting card and give it to...*decides not to take this any further, surely you can work out what I'm saying*
-Giggy
On Dec 22, 2007 4:57 PM, Zachary Harden zscout370@hotmail.com wrote:
We could always leave the cards blank so people can use the cards for whatever purpose they wish. Not only this will transcend the cultural barrier, but also gives us more times of the year to actually make cards and sell cards.
Regards,
Zachary Harden
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:46:29 -0800 From: johntexster@gmail.com
To: commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Commons greetings cards
I think the cards are a great idea. As to transcending cultural barriers, I don't recall seeing that in our charter. Let's not read into this more than is there. We have great images. Images make great cards. Holiday cards spread good cheer. We need money. People buy cards. Everyone wins. I'd buy them for sure!
John
On Dec 21, 2007 8:47 PM, Oldak Quill oldakquill@gmail.com wrote:
On 22/12/2007, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
This spun off from a different discussion elsewhere, but I was wondering about the possibility of printing Christmas cards based on images from Commons. Maybe a partnership with a printing company could be made for next year's fundraiser? (I'd buy them!)
Angela
I don't think Commons should officially release greetings cards for a religious festival. Greetings cards could generate funds but would not further our aims. Why don't we direct fundraising efforts at something that will also further the aims of the Wikimedia Fondation and/or Commons? Ideally, this would be something educational or informative. For Wikipedia, for example, this might be producing and selling WikiBooks to generate funds.
I also don't think Wikimedia/Commons should endorse one particular religion (or religious festival) in this way. Transcending cultural barriers is core to what we are trying to achieve and giving a nod to a particular religious/cultural practice doesn't seem compatible.
-- Oldak Quill (oldakquill@gmail.com)
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Hmm...I'm sure we could make something similar/relevant for other religions too...
-Giggy
On Dec 22, 2007 2:47 PM, Oldak Quill oldakquill@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think Commons should officially release greetings cards for a religious festival. Greetings cards could generate funds but would not further our aims. Why don't we direct fundraising efforts at something that will also further the aims of the Wikimedia Fondation and/or Commons? Ideally, this would be something educational or informative. For Wikipedia, for example, this might be producing and selling WikiBooks to generate funds.
I also don't think Wikimedia/Commons should endorse one particular religion (or religious festival) in this way. Transcending cultural barriers is core to what we are trying to achieve and giving a nod to a particular religious/cultural practice doesn't seem compatible.
-- Oldak Quill (oldakquill@gmail.com)
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On 22/12/2007, Oldak Quill oldakquill@gmail.com wrote:
On 22/12/2007, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
This spun off from a different discussion elsewhere, but I was wondering about the possibility of printing Christmas cards based on images from Commons. Maybe a partnership with a printing company could be made for next year's fundraiser? (I'd buy them!)
Angela
I don't think Commons should officially release greetings cards for a religious festival. Greetings cards could generate funds but would not further our aims. Why don't we direct fundraising efforts at something that will also further the aims of the Wikimedia Fondation and/or Commons? Ideally, this would be something educational or informative. For Wikipedia, for example, this might be producing and selling WikiBooks to generate funds.
I also don't think Wikimedia/Commons should endorse one particular religion (or religious festival) in this way. Transcending cultural barriers is core to what we are trying to achieve and giving a nod to a particular religious/cultural practice doesn't seem compatible.
People can write their own captions, eh.
Are you guys thinking of creating cards with limited flexibility - choose from X pre-selected images and Y pre-selected messages - or something where you can generate the card you want "on the fly"?
I think something in between would be really cool - let people choose from any QI or FP, but also have default "here's one we prepared earlier" options. (Sensible defaults are half the battle won when you give people options I think :))
But the you have the whole thing of infrastructure, and who is responsible and omgz-are-we-publishing-something, and who gets the money at the end of the day. Like would it really be just a big exercise in making profit for CafePress.
The partnership seems to be the sticking point. We seem to lack suitable contacts.
cheers Brianna
On Dec 22, 2007 5:47 AM, Oldak Quill oldakquill@gmail.com wrote:
I also don't think Wikimedia/Commons should endorse one particular religion (or religious festival) in this way. Transcending cultural barriers is core to what we are trying to achieve and giving a nod to a particular religious/cultural practice doesn't seem compatible.
-- Oldak Quill (oldakquill@gmail.com)
We have enough high quality pictures on Commons to create greeting cards for every major religious festival, all independence days of all countries and all days of the year. Sounds like a great idea to me.
Bryan
I agree with Bryan's statement. :-)
On Dec 22, 2007 4:20 AM, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 22, 2007 5:47 AM, Oldak Quill oldakquill@gmail.com wrote:
I also don't think Wikimedia/Commons should endorse one particular religion (or religious festival) in this way. Transcending cultural barriers is core to what we are trying to achieve and giving a nod to a particular religious/cultural practice doesn't seem compatible.
-- Oldak Quill (oldakquill@gmail.com)
We have enough high quality pictures on Commons to create greeting cards for every major religious festival, all independence days of all countries and all days of the year. Sounds like a great idea to me.
Bryan
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Yes, I agree with Bryan and Casey. You need only poke around [[Category:Religious festivals]] to see what wonderful images we have. I have been thinking of searching for images in Flickr on religious festivals from all around the world to enrich this category further, inspired by my success with [[Lucia]] (the young man whose photos I uploaded was thrilled to see them on Wikipedia). --Maria User:Arria Belli
On 12/22/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with Bryan's statement. :-)
On Dec 22, 2007 4:20 AM, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 22, 2007 5:47 AM, Oldak Quill oldakquill@gmail.com wrote:
I also don't think Wikimedia/Commons should endorse one particular religion (or religious festival) in this way. Transcending cultural barriers is core to what we are trying to achieve and giving a nod to a particular religious/cultural practice doesn't seem compatible.
-- Oldak Quill (oldakquill@gmail.com)
We have enough high quality pictures on Commons to create greeting cards for every major religious festival, all independence days of all countries and all days of the year. Sounds like a great idea to me.
Bryan
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So, should we try and pursue a partnership with some printing company?
Or should we push PediaPress to work on some image-related things? http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikis_Go_Printable
cheers Brianna
On 22/12/2007, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
This spun off from a different discussion elsewhere, but I was wondering about the possibility of printing Christmas cards based on images from Commons. Maybe a partnership with a printing company could be made for next year's fundraiser? (I'd buy them!)
Angela
Depends. Do you think there is a market of christmas cards with 3 pages of licensing text attached?
On 22/12/2007, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 22/12/2007, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
This spun off from a different discussion elsewhere, but I was wondering about the possibility of printing Christmas cards based on images from Commons. Maybe a partnership with a printing company could be made for next year's fundraiser? (I'd buy them!)
Depends. Do you think there is a market of christmas cards with 3 pages of licensing text attached?
By then, we'll have the Magic New GFDL ;-)
Seriously, I'm not sure that's an issue. We just have to be selective.
Let's sample quickly the first dozen FPs displayed, missing out the "astronomy" and "historical" ones so as not to skew it:
CC-BY-SA x2, CC-BY/GFDL x2, GFDL x3, CC-BY-SA/GFDL x4, PD.
That's three - one quarter - which are *only* available under GFDL; the rest are all available for use under some form of "light" license suitable for a card.
(There are statistics kicking around somewhere for our media as a whole - I would be surprised if less than half was licensed under something less cumbersome than the GFDL)