On 08/07/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023@comcast.net wrote:
During an IRC discussion earlier today, Rama suggested we use Flickr to help increase our exposure - per the recent conversation in the "My photo was reused" thread. We discussed the fact that we could upload our Featured Pictures using a Wikimedia Commons account; hopefully people would see these images and ask to use them, thereby increasing the visibility and knowledge of the Commons. Cbrown1023 created the account to ensure nobody else could steal the name, and now we're bringing this idea here to see what the community has to say :) May also be brought up on the village pump if it seems wise.
The e-mail address has been temporarily set to info-en@wikimedia.org so requests, etc. can be handled there in private; we also thought of requesting an info-commons@wikimedia.org address (if one doesn't currently exist?) for such purposes. The fact that requests may be in many different languages as Commons is multilingual (Flickr too) would also be a good reason for not having things sent to info-en but to info-commons directly.
Thoughts? Comments? Ideas?
Interesting idea. I'm sure a bot could be written to do the daily upload.
I'm not sure it would help a ton in terms of exposure, but it couldn't hurt, hey.
Flickr is geared towards people uploading their own work. It might be worth checking if there is something in the TOS against uploading others' work (regardless or whether or not license terms allow it).
cheers Brianna
On 7/7/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
Flickr is geared towards people uploading their own work. It might be worth checking if there is something in the TOS against uploading others' work (regardless or whether or not license terms allow it).
It is against a term in the Community Guidelines (http://www.flickr.com/guidelines.gne) that are referenced in the TOS. The relevant section is:
| * Don't upload anything that isn't yours. | This includes other people's photographs and/or stuff that you've collected from around the | Internet. Accounts that consist primarily of such collections may be terminated at any time.
This is spottily enforced, but a single account publishing large quantities of our content would be a definite violation.
-Matt
That is why we have Jimmy and his contacts at Flickr. :) Seriously, I am sure Jimbo can ask them and they might allow us to do this.
Relation to an en-wiki situation: "Group" Accounts aren't normally allowed, but they can be used if they are approved by the community. We want the same thing here.
Casey Brown Cbrown1023
-----Original Message----- From: commons-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:commons-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Brown Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 2:19 AM To: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Use Flickr? (was: My Photo Was Reused (God or BadNews?))
On 7/7/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
Flickr is geared towards people uploading their own work. It might be worth checking if there is something in the TOS against uploading others' work (regardless or whether or not license terms allow it).
It is against a term in the Community Guidelines (http://www.flickr.com/guidelines.gne) that are referenced in the TOS. The relevant section is:
| * Don't upload anything that isn't yours. | This includes other people's photographs and/or stuff that you've collected from around the | Internet. Accounts that consist primarily of such collections may be terminated at any time.
This is spottily enforced, but a single account publishing large quantities of our content would be a definite violation.
-Matt
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On 7/8/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting idea. I'm sure a bot could be written to do the daily upload.
No. Unfortunately Flickr depends on user input to verify the identity of a user: A Flickr bot gets an authentication url of the server, sends the user to that page, and gets a login token received. Of course one could capture the raw html to get the authentication code, but it may be a good idea to have a login system that also works unsupervised.
Secondly, about the licensing problem. I suggest that the best thing to do is leaving the license "All rights reserved" and putting in the image description "This image is licensed under the terms of the <LICENSE>".
Bryan
On 7/8/07, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com wrote:
Secondly, about the licensing problem. I suggest that the best thing to do is leaving the license "All rights reserved" and putting in the image description "This image is licensed under the terms of the <LICENSE>".
Bryan
See http://www.flickr.com/photos/ayelie/501145309/ . The only problem with your idea, Bryan, is that when people do a Creative Commons search specifically for the purpose of finding free images to use, none of ours will show up; which is kind of against the whole point of using Flickr so people doing CC searches there can find our images as well. Flickr CC search is often the only thing people use to find images for articles/papers/websites/etc. now, for good reasons (think of how handy it is for us looking for images to upload to Commons).