Hi,
With the pending toolserver shutdown, I was thinking about retiring Flickr Upload Bot. However, this bot is apparently still used about 2000-4000 times per month. I was under the impression that the upload wizard would replace this bot, however, I couldn't find any references to this. Does anybody know what the status of uploading from Flickr using the upload wizard is?
Bryan
Hi Bryan,
With the pending toolserver shutdown, I was thinking about retiring Flickr
Upload Bot. However, this bot is apparently still used about 2000-4000 times per month. I was under the impression that the upload wizard would replace this bot, however, I couldn't find any references to this. Does anybody know what the status of uploading from Flickr using the upload wizard is?
I penned https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Upload_Wizard/Flickr some time ago. It’s scarce and probably not up to date but the essential information is here : UploadWizard for Flickr is reserved to sysops and image reviewers at the moment. This would explain why your (awesome) bot is used.
Hope that helps,
-- Jean-Fred, who loves this bot so much he made a userbox for it < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jean-Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric/Boxes/Flickr
Jean-Frederic is correct. The Flickr importing feature in UploadWizard is currently limited to admins and image reviewers. If the Flickr Upload Bot is going to be retired, someone should probably start an RFC on Commons about opening up the Flickr importing in UploadWizard to everyone. Personally, I would support such a proposal, but there are at least 2 potential arguments against it: 1. It makes it easy for anyone to import hundreds of images from Flickr (via Photoset importing), which could mean a big increase in Flickr-washing problems (i.e. unintentional copyvios). 2. The feature still has some bugs ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43450) and no one is actively maintaining it at the moment (although hopefully the new Multimedia team will be assuming that responsibility).
Ryan Kaldari
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.wiki@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Bryan,
With the pending toolserver shutdown, I was thinking about retiring Flickr
Upload Bot. However, this bot is apparently still used about 2000-4000 times per month. I was under the impression that the upload wizard would replace this bot, however, I couldn't find any references to this. Does anybody know what the status of uploading from Flickr using the upload wizard is?
I penned https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Upload_Wizard/Flickr some time ago. It’s scarce and probably not up to date but the essential information is here : UploadWizard for Flickr is reserved to sysops and image reviewers at the moment. This would explain why your (awesome) bot is used.
Hope that helps,
-- Jean-Fred, who loves this bot so much he made a userbox for it < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jean-Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric/Boxes/Flickr
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On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.orgwrote:
- It makes it easy for anyone to import hundreds of images from Flickr
(via Photoset importing), which could mean a big increase in Flickr-washing problems (i.e. unintentional copyvios). 2. The feature still has some bugs ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43450) and no one is actively maintaining it at the moment (although hopefully the new Multimedia team will be assuming that responsibility).
Neither of these things seem like legit blockers at all.
You can make the same exact arguments against letting anyone upload anything. Bad shit happens sometimes with malicious uploads, but we assume good faith. Also, there are bugs, but that has nothing to do with whether non-admins want to/should be able to upload from Flickr. When it works, this tool is amazingly helpful, and should be more widely available.
Is anybody willing to pursue having the Flickr upload wizard enabled for everybody? I really don't want to port over my tool when the Toolserver shuts down.
Bryan
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.orgwrote:
- It makes it easy for anyone to import hundreds of images from Flickr
(via Photoset importing), which could mean a big increase in Flickr-washing problems (i.e. unintentional copyvios). 2. The feature still has some bugs ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43450) and no one is actively maintaining it at the moment (although hopefully the new Multimedia team will be assuming that responsibility).
Neither of these things seem like legit blockers at all.
You can make the same exact arguments against letting anyone upload anything. Bad shit happens sometimes with malicious uploads, but we assume good faith. Also, there are bugs, but that has nothing to do with whether non-admins want to/should be able to upload from Flickr. When it works, this tool is amazingly helpful, and should be more widely available.
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Bryan Tong Minh, 18/09/2013 00:15:
Is anybody willing to pursue having the Flickr upload wizard enabled for everybody? I really don't want to port over my tool when the Toolserver shuts down.
Asking file reviewer right is easy and many users of your tool (and magnus') probably have it. The main blockers for obsoleting it, i.e. features in tools that UploadWizard lacks, are rather 1) duplicate detection, 2) crashes on identical titles and mass renames (cf. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Flickr2commons#Mass-edit_title), 3) 50 files limit https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42979, 4) set etc. import https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42964. Currently there is no piece of software which covers all the features needed in all cases (even if you include flickrripper.py and Vicuna Uploader).
Nemo
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.orgwrote:
- It makes it easy for anyone to import hundreds of images from Flickr
(via Photoset importing), which could mean a big increase in Flickr-washing problems (i.e. unintentional copyvios). 2. The feature still has some bugs ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43450) and no one is actively maintaining it at the moment (although hopefully the new Multimedia team will be assuming that responsibility).
Neither of these things seem like legit blockers at all.
You can make the same exact arguments against letting anyone upload anything. Bad shit happens sometimes with malicious uploads, but we assume good faith.
According to Lupo, lack of blacklist feature makes this a blocker - see his rationale at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42307
Also, there are bugs, but that has nothing to do with whether non-admins want to/should be able to upload from Flickr. When it works, this tool is amazingly helpful, and should be more widely available.
Not sure what you mean here. Of course non-admins want such a tool. But bugs + lack of maintainer do sound like legit reason for not widely deploying it, are they not?
Currently the bots and UW have some intersection of valid use cases, but I'd mostly call them tools for different things. http://tools.wmflabs.org/flickr2commons/ is working rather well now, although it misses a couple features: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Flickr2commons If flickr2commons already does all your tool does, maybe you could just redirect. (I'm on a very bad connection and can't check now.)
Nemo