So we know why we're getting a lot of copyvio / unlicensed material from Eswiki users... It's not a trivial problem but at least we understand it.
We're getting a lot of 'misplaced articles' Portuguese in the gallery namespace on commons. Most of the ones I've seen seem to be various advertisements and a lot of garage bands from Brazil.
Anyone know if there is some systematic cause of these which we could amend?
Gregory,
Just because Portuguese Wikipedia also closed uploads recently, adopting the same policy than the Spanish Wikipedia.
Barcex
2006/11/13, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com:
So we know why we're getting a lot of copyvio / unlicensed material from Eswiki users... It's not a trivial problem but at least we understand it.
We're getting a lot of 'misplaced articles' Portuguese in the gallery namespace on commons. Most of the ones I've seen seem to be various advertisements and a lot of garage bands from Brazil.
Anyone know if there is some systematic cause of these which we could amend? _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
2006/11/14, Barcex lv.cabc@gmail.com:
Gregory,
Just because Portuguese Wikipedia also closed uploads recently, adoptingthe same policy than the Spanish Wikipedia.
Barcex
Nice that everybody was informed ...
AJF/WarX
ps. 6 days left and I start shooting to people
On 13/11/06, Artur Fijałkowski wiki.warx@gmail.com wrote:
2006/11/14, Barcex lv.cabc@gmail.com:
Just because Portuguese Wikipedia also closed uploads recently, adoptingthe same policy than the Spanish Wikipedia.
Nice that everybody was informed ...
Again: What do you think Commons was created for?
ps. 6 days left and I start shooting to people
Note to Foundation-L: Artur is proposing to block all es: and pt: contributors to Commons to save Commons admin work. That this goes against the actual purpose of Commons as a service project to other Wikimedia projects seems to have escaped him. Can someone rein him in?
- d.
On 11/13/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Note to Foundation-L: Artur is proposing to block all es: and pt: contributors to Commons to save Commons admin work. That this goes against the actual purpose of Commons as a service project to other Wikimedia projects seems to have escaped him. Can someone rein him in?
Notice to Foundation-L, David must have lost his meds again and is trolling.
No one is seriously proposing anything of the sort.
If david continues trolling on the commons list he is going to get asked to unsubscribe.
On 13/11/06, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/13/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Note to Foundation-L: Artur is proposing to block all es: and pt: contributors to Commons to save Commons admin work. That this goes against the actual purpose of Commons as a service project to other Wikimedia projects seems to have escaped him. Can someone rein him in?
Notice to Foundation-L, David must have lost his meds again and is trolling. No one is seriously proposing anything of the sort.
Artur has posted this for the second time, apparently in all seriousness.
If david continues trolling on the commons list he is going to get asked to unsubscribe.
I'm not trolling; I'm being appalled at the attitude of Commons admins to the projects that are supposed to be using Commons, particularly es: and pt: for which Commons is their only image store.
- d.
David Gerard wrote:
I'm not trolling; I'm being appalled at the attitude of Commons admins to the projects that are supposed to be using Commons, particularly es: and pt: for which Commons is their only image store.
David, you're generalizing. Say "some Commons admins" if you wish, but don't paint everyone with the same brush.
In addition, there's definitely a problem if projects decide to close local uploads and redirect everybody to commons and: 1) They don't warn Commons beforehand. 2) At least some of their admins don't apply for adminship on Commons.
We just cannot cope with languages we don't speak.
-- DM
On 14/11/06, David Monniaux David.Monniaux@free.fr wrote:
David, you're generalizing. Say "some Commons admins" if you wish, but don't paint everyone with the same brush.
And the dissenting voices were ...
In addition, there's definitely a problem if projects decide to close local uploads and redirect everybody to commons and:
- They don't warn Commons beforehand.
- At least some of their admins don't apply for adminship on Commons.
We just cannot cope with languages we don't speak.
The whole point is to be a service project. All wikis that don't allow non-free images were ultimately supposed to use Commons.
If you're saying Commons really can't handle that, then the thing that's seriously wrong is at the Commons end.
- d.
David, I fully agree with what you are saying. These are, for not having a proper English term, groeistuipen: 'us' not being able to cope - in the short term - with the screening of added content. We need more active administrators. We do have to advocate on the wikis that are sending their uploaders to Commons. Please do post messages in their Village Pumps so that they can be made aware of the problem. Post them in English, if you do not speak their language. Then you will get reactions from those users you want/need. Staying put on Commons will not solve the problem, IMO. We have to reach out.
A bit off topic, bit here's where I think it's going and how it should be handled. Personally, I do a lot of image maintenance on nl.wp, with the ultimate goal to make the nl.wp licensing compatible with that of Commons so that nl.wp can also redirect uploads to Commons and move it's the bigger part of its image repository to Commons - we have a long way to go, but we might get there in a year or so. We, the commons community, should in my opinion actively approach the top 25 wikis (at first those that currently do not allow fair use, I would say) to start making their users (more) aware of the benifits of Commons. Try and get in touch with the image maintainers there and guide them to get their wiki to a point where they could start redirecting their uploads to Commons, to not make it a scary and/or sudden event for either the other wiki or Commons. Once we are involved in their transition and help them with it, we also have a large chance that their image maintainers will hop over to Commons and do the same on Commons as on their native language wiki.
I'll stop now to keep this a bit-size mail.
Cheers! Siebrand
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: commons-l-bounces@wikimedia.org [mailto:commons-l-bounces@wikimedia.org] Namens David Gerard Verzonden: dinsdag 14 november 2006 1:22 Aan: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List; Wikimedia Commons Discussion List Onderwerp: Re: [Commons-l] [Foundation-l] Bands from Brazil - Why?
The whole point is to be a service project. All wikis that don't allow non-free images were ultimately supposed to use Commons.
If you're saying Commons really can't handle that, then the thing that's seriously wrong is at the Commons end.
On 14/11/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 14/11/06, David Monniaux David.Monniaux@free.fr wrote:
David, you're generalizing. Say "some Commons admins" if you wish, but don't paint everyone with the same brush.
And the dissenting voices were ...
Geez. WarX knows as well as anyone that were he to start indiscriminately blocking any type of user, we would come down on him like a ton of bricks. That is so obvious that it leads me to believe he must be humorously exaggerating in order to demonstrate the seriousness of the problem.
Can't believe that needed spelling out.
The whole point is to be a service project. All wikis that don't allow non-free images were ultimately supposed to use Commons.
If you're saying Commons really can't handle that, then the thing that's seriously wrong is at the Commons end.
Well, duh. But where do Commons users and admins come from? 99.99% of them come from the Wikimedia community. Failure of Commons is then a failure of Wikimedia as a whole. Yes, we want everyone to ultimately be using Commons only, but we also need their help to get to that point. If a local wiki turns off local uploads, the problems that they have with new uploaders will just be transferred to Commons, but to the local wiki it seems "all solved". We just need their help in transferring some of their workers along with their uploaders.
Brianna user:pfctdayelise
06-11-14, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com napisał(a):
Again: What do you think Commons was created for?
Not for: * collecting junk from whole world * collecting images found on other websites * teaching people what are copyrights (especially when they DON'T understand English language)
AJF/WarX
Ouch. You have to start appreciating the benifits of multi language projects a bit more here, AJF/WarX. It is a fact that there are people that do not have too much of a clue of the English language and they can be, and are, valuable members of the Commons community.
At the same time we have to help those non English speakers/readers. Those that are able to speak the languages that are used and are at the same time able to participate in English, have to take care of translating basic documentation and templates, so that the messages we're throwing at them can be understood[1]. Please do assume that speaking English is a requirement to be able to participate on Commons. If you do, you are violating the basic goal of Commons: "Welcome to the Wikimedia Commons a database of 969,179 media files to which anyone can contribute" [2]
Cheers, Siebrand
[1] Check the main page, it's available in dozens of languages. Quite an archievement if you ask me: "Alemannisch | Aragonés | العربية | Asturianu | Català | Česky | Cymraeg | Deutsch | Ελληνικά | English | Español | Français | Gaeilge | Galego | Bahasa Indonesia | Italiano | 日本語 | 한국어 | עברית | Latine | Lëtzebuergesch | Lietuvių | Magyar | Bahasa Melayu | Plattdüütsch | Nederlands | Norsk (nynorsk) | Norsk (bokmål) | Polski | Português | Русский | Slovenčina | Slovenščina | Sunda | Suomi | Svenska | ภาษาไทย | Tagalog | Türkçe | 简体中文 | 繁體中文 | 廣東話 | Беларуская | Brezhoneg | Български | Dansk | Eald Englisc | Eesti | Esperanto | Euskara | فارسی | Føroyskt | ગુજરાતી | हिन्दी | Hrvatski | Interlingua | Íslenska | Қазақша | ಕನ್ನಡ | Kapampangan | Молдовеняскэ | Nedersaksisch (NL) | Română | Seeltersk | Shqip | Српскоhrvatski | Српски | தமிழ் | Українська | Tiếng Việt. [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: commons-l-bounces@wikimedia.org [mailto:commons-l-bounces@wikimedia.org] Namens Artur Fijalkowski Verzonden: dinsdag 14 november 2006 0:54 Aan: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List Onderwerp: Re: [Commons-l] Bands from Brazil - Why?
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Not for: <snip> * teaching people what are copyrights (especially when they DON'T understand English language)
AJF/WarX
2006/11/14, Siebrand Mazeland s.mazeland@xs4all.nl:
Ouch. You have to start appreciating the benifits of multi language projects a bit more here, AJF/WarX. It is a fact that there are people that do not have too much of a clue of the English language and they can be, and are, valuable members of the Commons community.
I know, I'm helping lots of people from pl.wiki who have same problem, but ... finding something on commons is very very difficult - I'm admin for 9 months and I'm able to find maybe 5% of important technical info.
My first proposal was to teach people to use Commons on their home wiki. Translating everything to 200 languages won't change much if 10 people on commons know about it and know how to use it.
We are simply ignored by es.wiki and pt.wiki know and we have to change it...
AJF/WarX