After the recent discussion about image submissions through OTRS, I'm putting my code where my mouth is:
CISS - the Commons Image Submission System
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/cgi-bin/ciss.pl
How it works: mail your images to magnus@ts.wikimedia.org and the mails (and images, if you included any) will appear on the site above.
That, said, it doesn't work - yet! It's a partially working demo with more flaws than I can count, so any help is welcome. Some flaws in this version: * Uses my email adr on the toolserver * No upload to commons * No answering to mails * No mailing thread management * No real thumbnails * No mail deletion/closing/archiving * No spam filter * No flood prevention Hell, it doesn't even sort mails by date yet!
Despite all this, it should demonstrate the ideas I have for that system.
Ideas? Comments? Coding support?
Magnus
On Feb 15, 2008 6:31 PM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
After the recent discussion about image submissions through OTRS, I'm putting my code where my mouth is:
CISS - the Commons Image Submission System
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/cgi-bin/ciss.plhttp://tools.wikimedia.de/%7Emagnus/cgi-bin/ciss.pl
How it works: mail your images to magnus@ts.wikimedia.org and the mails (and images, if you included any) will appear on the site above.
That, said, it doesn't work - yet! It's a partially working demo with more flaws than I can count, so any help is welcome. Some flaws in this version:
- Uses my email adr on the toolserver
- No upload to commons
- No answering to mails
- No mailing thread management
- No real thumbnails
- No mail deletion/closing/archiving
- No spam filter
- No flood prevention
Hell, it doesn't even sort mails by date yet!
Despite all this, it should demonstrate the ideas I have for that system.
Ideas? Comments? Coding support?
Magnus
Love the idea so far! I'd be happy to help out with image submissions on OTRS, but I don't have access (yet?) and am not familiar with the system. If there is a tool like this it would be great and a good way for all Commons admins/trusted users to help out with submissions.
I'm afraid I can't help out with coding, unless you want some nice CSS to make it look spiffy ;) But ideas I can do...
Ideas beyond what you've listed so far:
** Rating/comment capabilities:* If a user doubts claims that the sender owns the copyright to the photo or took the photo themselves (and discussion with the sender doesn't clear anything up), they can mark it for review by other users before coming to a decision. Sort of like a deletion request where you get input from various individuals before deciding, but smaller. :)
** Categorization by photo type for review by "experts" on the subject* Rather complex and not really necessary, but I think if it's possible and not too complicated to code it would be a great feature **when we end up getting more than 20 or so submissions per day**. Before that, somewhat useless, but hey; good to plan in advance! We're probably going to get images of all sorts of things, and of course not every admin/user is familiar with every subject out there. I wouldn't dream of handling submissions of mathematical graphs etc. that have complex categorization needs and need to be checked for accuracy before uploading. Those I'd want to shuffle off to the people who are very good at mathematics. If we get photos of ballet positions or sheets of dance notation, well the mathematic whizzes out there aren't going to know what the heck to do with them; they'll want to shuffle them off to me (15 years of ballet training is good for SOMETHING, you know ;) ). Plant and animal categories are also notoriously difficult to navigate, and if the sender has no clue what species the photo they took is of it would be nice to be able to let someone who can identify them take care of it. A drop-down menu that you can use to categorize images with two clicks would be great, and then we can have admins who are knowledgeable in said categories focus on those categories, instead of people trying higgledpiggledy to upload stuff they know nothing about.
Summary: - Each admin/user "signs up" for or suggests subjects they're familiar with - categories are added as we have people to look after them, so we don't have categories being ignored/neglected - Each image would have a drop-down menu with categories that have been added, so anyone can mark the image for review by someone knowledgeable in that field.
Sort of like the wikipedias' "This article is in need of assistance by an editor who is familiar with the subject" tag. You don't HAVE to categorize the photo before uploading if you think you can handle it, but if you're not sure, shuffle it off to the appropriate category.
That's about all I can think of right now.. sorry for the long post but I figure other people might have ideas and suggestions to add too, so here you go! :) -- -Ayelie (Editor at Large)
On 2/16/08, Ayelie ayelie.at.large@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 15, 2008 6:31 PM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
After the recent discussion about image submissions through OTRS, I'm putting my code where my mouth is:
CISS - the Commons Image Submission System
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/cgi-bin/ciss.plhttp://tools.wikimedia.de/%7Emagnus/cgi-bin/ciss.pl
How it works: mail your images to magnus@ts.wikimedia.org and the mails (and images, if you included any) will appear on the site above.
That, said, it doesn't work - yet! It's a partially working demo with more flaws than I can count, so any help is welcome. Some flaws in this version:
- Uses my email adr on the toolserver
- No upload to commons
- No answering to mails
- No mailing thread management
- No real thumbnails
- No mail deletion/closing/archiving
- No spam filter
- No flood prevention
Hell, it doesn't even sort mails by date yet!
Despite all this, it should demonstrate the ideas I have for that system.
Ideas? Comments? Coding support?
Magnus
Love the idea so far! I'd be happy to help out with image submissions on OTRS, but I don't have access (yet?) and am not familiar with the system. If there is a tool like this it would be great and a good way for all Commons admins/trusted users to help out with submissions.
I'm afraid I can't help out with coding, unless you want some nice CSS to make it look spiffy ;) But ideas I can do...
Ideas beyond what you've listed so far:
** Rating/comment capabilities:* If a user doubts claims that the sender owns the copyright to the photo or took the photo themselves (and discussion with the sender doesn't clear anything up), they can mark it for review by other users before coming to a decision. Sort of like a deletion request where you get input from various individuals before deciding, but smaller. :)
** Categorization by photo type for review by "experts" on the subject* Rather complex and not really necessary, but I think if it's possible and not too complicated to code it would be a great feature **when we end up getting more than 20 or so submissions per day**. Before that, somewhat useless, but hey; good to plan in advance! We're probably going to get images of all sorts of things, and of course not every admin/user is familiar with every subject out there. I wouldn't dream of handling submissions of mathematical graphs etc. that have complex categorization needs and need to be checked for accuracy before uploading. Those I'd want to shuffle off to the people who are very good at mathematics. If we get photos of ballet positions or sheets of dance notation, well the mathematic whizzes out there aren't going to know what the heck to do with them; they'll want to shuffle them off to me (15 years of ballet training is good for SOMETHING, you know ;) ). Plant and animal categories are also notoriously difficult to navigate, and if the sender has no clue what species the photo they took is of it would be nice to be able to let someone who can identify them take care of it. A drop-down menu that you can use to categorize images with two clicks would be great, and then we can have admins who are knowledgeable in said categories focus on those categories, instead of people trying higgledpiggledy to upload stuff they know nothing about.
Summary:
- Each admin/user "signs up" for or suggests subjects they're familiar with
- categories are added as we have people to look after them, so we don't
have categories being ignored/neglected
- Each image would have a drop-down menu with categories that have been
added, so anyone can mark the image for review by someone knowledgeable in that field.
Sort of like the wikipedias' "This article is in need of assistance by an editor who is familiar with the subject" tag. You don't HAVE to categorize the photo before uploading if you think you can handle it, but if you're not sure, shuffle it off to the appropriate category.
That's about all I can think of right now.. sorry for the long post but I figure other people might have ideas and suggestions to add too, so here you go! :)
Thanks for the feedback, Ayelie!
Rating sounds like a good idea, especially if the system takes off. For the beginning, I think it might suffice if mails get sorted by age (oldest first), and hope /someone/ takes mercy ;-)
Expert review of content will no doubt be neccessary in some cases. The question is if we should get experts to CISS, or mark (categorize) the upload so that experts will find and fix it there. Do we have a {{review}}-thing on Commons? (too many templates...)
And, I might take you up on that CSS offer :-)
Cheers, Magnus
P.S.: Does anyone know a way to easily allow Commons admins access to CISS (and restrict everyone else)? IMHO everyone should be able to have a look, but when it comes to uploading, we might want to limit this, otherwise it's completely anonymous mail-and-upload spam...
Magnus Manske wrote:
CISS - the Commons Image Submission System
Sounds a little like CSI. ;-)
Ideas? Comments? Coding support?
Maybe it would be possible to have CISS work as an add-on for OTRS. The great benefit of OTRS is that we can pretty well guaranty privacy. So it would not make sense to have two systems like that. Maybe it would be good to split an image submission, the image itself is transfered to CISS ,the text to OTRS (connected by a number for example.) So all private information will be on OTRS. In the next step OTRS works on permission and stuff like that, add the information needed for submission (ticket number, image description, etc) to the image in the CISS system. All this information can be presented to the public since it would be published anyway, so there shouldn't be any privacy problems. In the next step people focusing more on CISS work can do the reviewing, categorizing, etc. stuff and finally the transfer to commons. And after transfer the data on CISS can be deleted.
Regards, Sven
Magnus Manske wrote:
After the recent discussion about image submissions through OTRS, I'm putting my code where my mouth is:
CISS - the Commons Image Submission System
Despite all this, it should demonstrate the ideas I have for that system.
Ideas? Comments?
The thumbnails aren't real thumbnails, they're the original images with a lower size by the browser. So if someone sends a big image (we always ask for big resolution), that page will be impossible to load. They should be thumbnailed at server and the original only shown when clicked on it.
Coding support?
I was planing on doing something similar when i get added to the OTRS (waiting for account), although more as a help to OTRS. I don't think it should duplicate the OTRS functions. I was thinking more in something like a greasemonkey script but not being able to save files, can be a bit hard to make. Or maybe the iamges at OTRS could be accesed by the url upload system.
The main problem with your site is that images are 'alone'. People won't be able to upload them without knowing its associated text ("yes, i am the (c) holder, it's Cc-by" or "That's the Mediterranean sea as viewed from X"), which is supposed to be confidential. Moreover, it can be a thread rather than a mail.
Nonetheless, i apppreciate your efforts on this.
On Feb 16, 2008 3:31 PM, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
Magnus Manske wrote:
After the recent discussion about image submissions through OTRS, I'm putting my code where my mouth is:
CISS - the Commons Image Submission System
Despite all this, it should demonstrate the ideas I have for that system.
Ideas? Comments?
The thumbnails aren't real thumbnails, they're the original images with a lower size by the browser. So if someone sends a big image (we always ask for big resolution), that page will be impossible to load. They should be thumbnailed at server and the original only shown when clicked on it.
Yes. That's why I wrote "No real thumbnails" as a bullet point in the list of things not working ;-)
Coding support?
I was planing on doing something similar when i get added to the OTRS (waiting for account), although more as a help to OTRS. I don't think it should duplicate the OTRS functions. I was thinking more in something like a greasemonkey script but not being able to save files, can be a bit hard to make. Or maybe the iamges at OTRS could be accesed by the url upload system.
The main problem with your site is that images are 'alone'. People won't be able to upload them without knowing its associated text ("yes, i am the (c) holder, it's Cc-by" or "That's the Mediterranean sea as viewed from X"), which is supposed to be confidential. Moreover, it can be a thread rather than a mail.
If you click on "show details", you can see the mail text (which in both cases was "Lorem ipsum..."). Of course, that would only be viewable by "authorized personel" in a full version.
As for threading, Outgoing mail could be stored as well (marked as such), and grouped by topic/email(/date), which should in essence comprise a threaded mail group.
Magnus
On 16/02/2008, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
Despite all this, it should demonstrate the ideas I have for that system.
Ideas? Comments? Coding support?
To be honest, although I love your work Magnus :) there are benefits to keeping this within OTRS. Namely no hassle about login/verification, and retaining the history of correspondences all within OTRS.
cheers, Brianna
On Feb 18, 2008 12:21 AM, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
On 16/02/2008, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
Despite all this, it should demonstrate the ideas I have for that system.
Ideas? Comments? Coding support?
To be honest, although I love your work Magnus :) there are benefits to keeping this within OTRS. Namely no hassle about login/verification, and retaining the history of correspondences all within OTRS.
OK, then. Back to my other few dozen projects ;-)
Magnus