UploadWizard is currently not used by experienced uploaders for a number of reasons, among which is that they can't use some custom wikitext licenses. We'd like to address that.
I made a mockup of a possible implementation. Comments welcome, especially on balancing usability versus convenience here. We already have people abusing the {{FAL}} option, and we don't want to make it worse.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UploadWizard/CustomWikiTextLicenseFe...
Am 17.09.2011 05:54, schrieb Neil Kandalgaonkar:
UploadWizard is currently not used by experienced uploaders for a number of reasons, among which is that they can't use some custom wikitext licenses. We'd like to address that.
I made a mockup of a possible implementation. Comments welcome, especially on balancing usability versus convenience here. We already have people abusing the {{FAL}} option, and we don't want to make it worse.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UploadWizard/CustomWikiTextLicenseFe...
Custom Licenses are bad in general. What kind of license would you expect to be included? We should keep the number of different licenses as low as possible, since otherwise we loose many possibilities. Combining a GFDL-image with CC-BY-image is impossible, as long not one of the images shares one license with the other. The more licenses we allow, the more difficult will be the reusing. (A book with 50 license texts in the appendix?)
Some users use custom templates for the usual licenses. One might ask if this is necessary. Bots aren't really happy about it, re-users also have it difficult trough different formating, etc.
If you include whits as a feature, then make sure to leave a notice that it is not meant to write your own custom licenses.
Greetings Tobias
*What kind of license would you expect to be included?
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On 17 September 2011 09:43, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.comwrote:
Am 17.09.2011 05:54, schrieb Neil Kandalgaonkar:
UploadWizard is currently not used by experienced uploaders for a number of reasons, among which is that they can't use some custom wikitext licenses. We'd like to address that.
I made a mockup of a possible implementation. Comments welcome, especially on balancing usability versus convenience here. We already have people abusing the {{FAL}} option, and we don't want to make it
worse.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UploadWizard/CustomWikiTextLicenseFe...
Custom Licenses are bad in general. What kind of license would you expect to be included? We should keep the number of different licenses as low as possible, since otherwise we loose many possibilities. Combining a GFDL-image with CC-BY-image is impossible, as long not one of the images shares one license with the other. The more licenses we allow, the more difficult will be the reusing. (A book with 50 license texts in the appendix?)
Some users use custom templates for the usual licenses. One might ask if this is necessary. Bots aren't really happy about it, re-users also have it difficult trough different formating, etc.
If you include whits as a feature, then make sure to leave a notice that it is not meant to write your own custom licenses.
Greetings Tobias
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On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Tobias Oelgarte < tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com> wrote:
The more licenses we allow, the more difficult will be the reusing. (A book with 50 license texts in the appendix?)
I recommend you take a look at the last line of the {{self}} template. Which is *You may select the license of your choice.* Best, [[User:Bencmq]] / Benjamin Chen
Oh well, I might interpreted wrongly. Anyway, what about, at least, hundreds of PD templates? Best, [[User:Bencmq]] / Benjamin Chen
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Benjamin Chen cnchenminqi@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Tobias Oelgarte < tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com> wrote:
The more licenses we allow, the more difficult will be the reusing. (A book with 50 license texts in the appendix?)
I recommend you take a look at the last line of the {{self}} template. Which is *You may select the license of your choice.* Best, [[User:Bencmq]] / Benjamin Chen
Hoi, The texts indicating licenses are localised at translatewiki.net. Consequently there is no need for templates and localised texts will appear daily thanks to the LocalisationUpdate process. Thanks, GerardM
On 18 September 2011 01:41, Benjamin Chen cnchenminqi@gmail.com wrote:
Oh well, I might interpreted wrongly. Anyway, what about, at least, hundreds of PD templates?
Best, [[User:Bencmq]] / Benjamin Chen
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Benjamin Chen cnchenminqi@gmail.comwrote:
On textSat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Tobias Oelgarte < tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com> wrote:
The more licenses we allow, the more difficult will be the reusing. (A book with 50 license texts in the appendix?)
I recommend you take a look at the last line of the {{self}} template. Which is *You may select the license of your choice.* Best, [[User:Bencmq]] / Benjamin Chen
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On 9/18/11 1:59 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, The texts indicating licenses are localised at translatewiki.net http://translatewiki.net. Consequently there is no need for templates and localised texts will appear daily thanks to the LocalisationUpdate process.
I'm not sure what you are referring to here, at least in the context I'm talking about. I'm talking about some sort of interface that would enable users to pick any license that has been accepted on Commons (and as a proxy for acceptance, Category:License_tags).
The only translated licenses texts I know about are:
- The messages in WikimediaLicenses, but those are embedded in sentences and not usable elsewhere. There are only a handful of licenses.
- The texts that UploadWizard uses, which are part of its configuration, designed to appear in menus, and thus translated via TranslateWiki... but they are incomplete, they don't have every license that Wikimedia Commons uses.
More stuff has been happening on the VP.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Proposed_feature_for_...
Anyway, TLDR on the rantier comments (including my own); I'm starting to think that entering wikitext is probably a bad idea; what we need is an autocompleting drop-down of all the licenses used on Commons.
1) Is it fair to say that a license that's within Category:License_tags is okay with Commons? Or if it isn't, will some procedure eventually remove or relicense all items uploaded under that license?
2) Do we need anything other than autocompleting those template titles?
On 9/18/11 1:59 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, The texts indicating licenses are localised at translatewiki.net http://translatewiki.net. Consequently there is no need for templates and localised texts will appear daily thanks to the LocalisationUpdate process. Thanks, GerardM
On 18 September 2011 01:41, Benjamin Chen <cnchenminqi@gmail.com mailto:cnchenminqi@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh well, I might interpreted wrongly. Anyway, what about, at least, hundreds of PD templates? Best, [[User:Bencmq]] / Benjamin Chen On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Benjamin Chen <cnchenminqi@gmail.com <mailto:cnchenminqi@gmail.com>> wrote: On textSat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Tobias Oelgarte <tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com <mailto:tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com>> wrote: The more licenses we allow, the more difficult will be the reusing. (A book with 50 license texts in the appendix?) I recommend you take a look at the last line of the {{self}} template. Which is /You may select the license of your choice./ Best, [[User:Bencmq]] / Benjamin Chen _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
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