Dear readers
Yesterday, on September 15th 2011, the German Wikipedia closed the poll (Meinungsbild) "Einführung persönlicher Bildfilter". [1] It asked the question if the personal image filter can be introduced or if it should not be introduced.
A strong majority of 86% percent voted to not allow the personal image filter [2] , despite the fact that the board already decided to introduce the feature.
The questions are: * Will the board or the WMF proceed with the introduction of the personal image filter against the will of it's second largest community? * If the WMF/board does not care about the first question. Will it affect the way the personal image filter will be implemented? For example: Not for all projects. A different implementation as suggested inside the "image filter referendum". * Will there be an attempt to follow this example and to question other communities the same question?
Greetings from Tobias Oelgarte
[1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C... [2] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C...
That is an unexpected outcome. Do we have any idea of the proeminent arguments for rejecting the filter ? -- Rama
On 16 September 2011 10:08, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.comwrote:
Dear readers
Yesterday, on September 15th 2011, the German Wikipedia closed the poll (Meinungsbild) "Einführung persönlicher Bildfilter". [1] It asked the question if the personal image filter can be introduced or if it should not be introduced.
A strong majority of 86% percent voted to not allow the personal image filter [2] , despite the fact that the board already decided to introduce the feature.
The questions are:
- Will the board or the WMF proceed with the introduction of the
personal image filter against the will of it's second largest community?
- If the WMF/board does not care about the first question. Will it
affect the way the personal image filter will be implemented? For example: Not for all projects. A different implementation as suggested inside the "image filter referendum".
- Will there be an attempt to follow this example and to question other
communities the same question?
Greetings from Tobias Oelgarte
[1]
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C... [2]
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C...
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Op 16-9-2011 10:18, Rama Neko schreef:
That is an unexpected outcome. Do we have any idea of the proeminent arguments for rejecting the filter ? -- Rama
I don't think it's unexpected. It's actually the kind of outcome I would expect when you would run this poll at the Dutch Wikipedia.
Maarten
*Just an observation, individual responses to questions are my opinion only *
On 16 September 2011 16:08, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.comwrote:
Dear readers
The questions are:
- Will the board or the WMF proceed with the introduction of the
personal image filter against the will of it's second largest community?
*While it maybe the position of a single recognisable group of editors that the filter isnt wanted. Its undeniable that the opinion of all editors irregardless of their background that there is a consensus that a filter system is wanted *
- If the WMF/board does not care about the first question. Will it
affect the way the personal image filter will be implemented? For example: Not for all projects. A different implementation as suggested inside the "image filter referendum".
*WMF does care about the opinion of all editors not just a select portion of the community, no one community should be placing, promoting, or holding our community at ransom nor should any editor take the position that their opinion is valued any differently to that of any other editor. Also it was the consensus that the use of a filter system must be the personal choice of each editor that means there is no need to force people to use it nor is there any need to deny people access to it. *
- Will there be an attempt to follow this example and to question other
communities the same question?
*Wikimedia community is the community there is no ethinic, religious, political, social or cabal of any kind its a single community thats been built on consensus, understanding, respect and freedom. IMHO such questioning will create unacceptable divisions, create ethic cabals, and promote intollerance as such the WMF shouldnt be a party to that. Individual Chapters may choose to look at their community but from my experience chapters and their membership dont represent significant proportions even within the local community. *
Greetings from Tobias Oelgarte
[1]
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C... [2]
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C...
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*Irregardless of our personal opinions we should be working together promoting the consensus that the community as a whole decided. There is nothing wrong with challenging the processes nor is there any problem in querying the implementation process*.
Gnangarra
Am 16.09.2011 11:03, schrieb Gnangarra:
/ / /While it maybe the position of a single recognisable group of editors that the filter isnt wanted. Its undeniable that the opinion of all editors irregardless of their background that there is a consensus that a filter system is wanted /
Wow. What the heck?
Where has such a consensus been found? Certainly not in the "referendum" because it did not ask if a filter is wanted because if quite clearly stated that a filter will be developed no matter what and that the "referendum" is only required for additional input.
Regards, Oliver
On 16 September 2011 10:03, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
While it maybe the position of a single recognisable group of editors that the filter isnt wanted. Its undeniable that the opinion of all editors irregardless of their background that there is a consensus that a filter system is wanted
Citation needed. This statement appears to be entirely factually correct.
(Particularly given that we are discussing strong evidence against your strange assertion.)
Irregardless of our personal opinions we should be working together promoting the consensus that the community as a whole decided.
Again, you appear to be attempting mere assertion in the face of evidence.
- d.
On 16 September 2011 10:21, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 September 2011 10:03, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
While it maybe the position of a single recognisable group of editors that the filter isnt wanted. Its undeniable that the opinion of all editors irregardless of their background that there is a consensus that a filter system is wanted
Citation needed. This statement appears to be entirely factually correct.
Entirely factually *incorrect*.
- d.
What motives this rejection? Has the nature of the filter been understood? Do people fear a creep towards censorship? Something else? -- Rama
Am 16.09.2011 11:42, schrieb Rama Neko:
What motives this rejection? Has the nature of the filter been understood? Do people fear a creep towards censorship? Something else? -- Rama
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The main arguments (as i remember) are: * Non-neutral judgment about content (violates NPOV) * Discrimination of content (labeling alone would do this) * Additional big room for conflict (labeling procedure based on POV-only) * Decisions are already made locally by consent inside the articles * Template design for censorship (easy to implement misuse trough third parties [proxy, ISP, ...], especially in underdeveloped regions), resulting in no-choice option. * Social pressure will enforce the activation of the filter * Open question: Who decides what will be seen? (reader or the labeler) * Open question: On what basis will the decisions be made. * ...
A full list of the arguments can be seen at the beginning of the poll (pro and contra arguments) [1] Someone we good knowledge in German and English might want to translate them. It is a long list.
[1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C...