http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/7828
According to the CC blog, the intention of CC-Ø is that it "signals that there are no copyrights or other related rights attached to the content." ie, use it for government-PD (and maybe PD-old?) works. I am guessing http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/ is going to be recommended where we use "PD-self".
However the problem still remains of how to pronounce this. ;) "CC urh". "CC slashed-oh." "CC empty set." "CC Close-mid front rounded vowel". Problematic indeed.
Also note http://public.resource.org/ which apparently prompted this. They have collected a bunch of US government stuff, and at Flickr have uploaded over 6,000 images from the Smithsonian that they believe are PD. http://public.resource.org/memo.2007.05.19.html (incl. links to tarball) Any comments on that? Anything new for us?
cheers, Brianna
On 17/11/2007, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
However the problem still remains of how to pronounce this. ;) "CC urh". "CC slashed-oh." "CC empty set." "CC Close-mid front rounded vowel". Problematic indeed.
"CC-nothing."
(I am reminded of Uncyclopedia's "Licensed under absolutely nothing, have a f*cking field day" license.)
Also note http://public.resource.org/ which apparently prompted this. They have collected a bunch of US government stuff, and at Flickr have uploaded over 6,000 images from the Smithsonian that they believe are PD. http://public.resource.org/memo.2007.05.19.html (incl. links to tarball) Any comments on that? Anything new for us?
NEW STUFF! W00T!
- d.
On 17/11/2007, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/11/2007, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
However the problem still remains of how to pronounce this. ;) "CC urh". "CC slashed-oh." "CC empty set." "CC Close-mid front rounded vowel". Problematic indeed.
"CC-nothing."
(I am reminded of Uncyclopedia's "Licensed under absolutely nothing, have a f*cking field day" license.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL
More to the point however I wasn't aware that PD-US-GOV and PD due to age needed re-branding
On 18/11/2007, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/11/2007, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/11/2007, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
However the problem still remains of how to pronounce this. ;) "CC urh". "CC slashed-oh." "CC empty set." "CC Close-mid front rounded vowel". Problematic indeed.
"CC-nothing."
(I am reminded of Uncyclopedia's "Licensed under absolutely nothing, have a f*cking field day" license.)
Heh.
More to the point however I wasn't aware that PD-US-GOV and PD due to age needed re-branding
If it means that specific metadata is developed so that license-sensitive search engines can recognise them, that seems like a good thing to me.
cheers, Brianna
On 17/11/2007, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
On 18/11/2007, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/11/2007, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/11/2007, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
However the problem still remains of how to pronounce this. ;) "CC urh". "CC slashed-oh." "CC empty set." "CC Close-mid front rounded vowel". Problematic indeed.
"CC-nothing."
(I am reminded of Uncyclopedia's "Licensed under absolutely nothing, have a f*cking field day" license.)
Heh.
More to the point however I wasn't aware that PD-US-GOV and PD due to age needed re-branding
If it means that specific metadata is developed so that license-sensitive search engines can recognise them, that seems like a good thing to me.
I've always wondered what the benefit of attaching Creative Commons branding to PD media is, but this reason seems pretty good. Isn't there an XML schema that can allow search engines to recognise copyright licensing without having to brand everything?
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 19:46 +0000, Oldak Quill wrote:
On 17/11/2007, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
On 18/11/2007, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/11/2007, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/11/2007, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
However the problem still remains of how to pronounce this. ;) "CC urh". "CC slashed-oh." "CC empty set." "CC Close-mid front rounded vowel". Problematic indeed.
"CC-nothing."
"CC Zero" is how it has been discussed inside CC.
(I am reminded of Uncyclopedia's "Licensed under absolutely nothing, have a f*cking field day" license.)
Heh.
It looks like the uncyclopedia/open content version is at http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Template:NoLicense
Heh indeed. (But in all seriousness, I'd love to see a serious legal analysis of this and less humorous anti-copyright statements, probably dozens of which have been independently invented over the years, most recently seen at http://www.intellectualprivilege.com/blog/2007/11/uncopyright-notice.html)
More to the point however I wasn't aware that PD-US-GOV and PD due to age needed re-branding
If it means that specific metadata is developed so that license-sensitive search engines can recognise them, that seems like a good thing to me.
I've always wondered what the benefit of attaching Creative Commons branding to PD media is, but this reason seems pretty good. Isn't there an XML schema that can allow search engines to recognise copyright licensing without having to brand everything?
AFAIK the important thing for search engines is to link to http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/ possibly qualified by rel="license".
There's also metadata at that URL that would let a license aware tool autodiscover the characteristics of that "license". Non-CC licenses or public domain or "anti-copyright" thingies that have a canonical URL could publish such metadata.
Visual branding/naming doesn't matter at all *technically*.
The technical part of CC-Ø will define some additional optional metadata concerning how or who a work is dedicated or certified to be in the public domain or otherwise unencumbered, but there's nothing concrete yet.
On Nov 17, 2007 1:20 PM, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
However the problem still remains of how to pronounce this. ;) "CC urh". "CC slashed-oh." "CC empty set." "CC Close-mid front rounded vowel". Problematic indeed.
I think the Ø is pronounced as a dutch 'eu' in [[w:nl:Neus]]. Somebody has got to upload the prounounciation to Commons.
Bryan
On Nov 17, 2007 7:20 AM, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
However the problem still remains of how to pronounce this. ;) "CC urh". "CC slashed-oh." "CC empty set." "CC Close-mid front rounded vowel". Problematic indeed.
"CC-none", short as "CC-by" and even shorter than "CC-by-sa" :)
Also note http://public.resource.org/ which apparently prompted this.
They have collected a bunch of US government stuff, and at Flickr have uploaded over 6,000 images from the Smithsonian that they believe are PD. http://public.resource.org/memo.2007.05.19.html (incl. links to tarball) Any comments on that? Anything new for us?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/publicresourceorg/sets/72157600215594473/ <-- this set seems to be primarily staff photos of uniforms, I doubt we have those on Commons yet. The descriptions are very detailed... maybe we could have someone with a bot upload them all? 84 photos in all, it would be much faster if FlickrLickr or some other bot uploaded them instead of one of us having to fill in all the templates, etc..
-Ayelie (Editor at Large)
Ayelie wrote:
On Nov 17, 2007 7:20 AM, Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher@gmail.com mailto:brianna.laugher@gmail.com> wrote:
However the problem still remains of how to pronounce this. ;) "CC urh". "CC slashed-oh." "CC empty set." "CC Close-mid front rounded vowel". Problematic indeed."CC-none", short as "CC-by" and even shorter than "CC-by-sa" :)
All Scandinavians know that a Ø is pronounced like the 'i' in 'Sir'.
Also note http://public.resource.org/ which apparently prompted this. They have collected a bunch of US government stuff, and at Flickr have uploaded over 6,000 images from the Smithsonian that they believe are PD. http://public.resource.org/memo.2007.05.19.html (incl. links to tarball) Any comments on that? Anything new for us?http://www.flickr.com/photos/publicresourceorg/sets/72157600215594473/ <-- this set seems to be primarily staff photos of uniforms, I doubt we have those on Commons yet. The descriptions are very detailed... maybe we could have someone with a bot upload them all? 84 photos in all, it would be much faster if FlickrLickr or some other bot uploaded them instead of one of us having to fill in all the templates, etc..
-Ayelie (Editor at Large)
Kjetil (User:Kjetil_r)
On Nov 17, 2007 4:03 PM, Kjetil Ree kjetil_r@yahoo.com wrote:
Ayelie wrote:
On Nov 17, 2007 7:20 AM, Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher@gmail.com mailto:brianna.laugher@gmail.com> wrote:
However the problem still remains of how to pronounce this. ;) "CC urh". "CC slashed-oh." "CC empty set." "CC Close-mid front rounded vowel". Problematic indeed."CC-none", short as "CC-by" and even shorter than "CC-by-sa" :)
All Scandinavians know that a Ø is pronounced like the 'i' in 'Sir'.
"CC-ih" ?
[Not directed towards kjetil in particular] I'm not sure everyone would pick up on that, might be easier if we just refer to it as "CC-none" or "CC-released" or something of the sort, rather than "CC-Ø". Licensing is hard enough for newbies (even for oldbies!) and there's so much confusion over which CC licenses are accepted, it's easier for us to say "we accept CC-by, CC-by-sa, and CC-none" than it is to use "CC-Ø". Not everyone using keyboards without the Ø character wants to memorise and then type "Alt+0216" to produce it, or wants to have to copypaste every time they want to mention it ;)
-- Ayelie (Editor at Large)
On Nov 17, 2007 10:19 PM, Ayelie ayelie.at.large@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 17, 2007 4:03 PM, Kjetil Ree kjetil_r@yahoo.com wrote:
Ayelie wrote:
On Nov 17, 2007 7:20 AM, Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher@gmail.com
<mailto: brianna.laugher@gmail.com>> wrote:
However the problem still remains of how to pronounce this. ;) "CC urh". "CC slashed-oh." "CC empty set." "CC Close-mid front rounded vowel". Problematic indeed."CC-none", short as "CC-by" and even shorter than "CC-by-sa" :)
All Scandinavians know that a Ø is pronounced like the 'i' in 'Sir'.
"CC-ih" ?
[Not directed towards kjetil in particular] I'm not sure everyone would pick up on that, might be easier if we just refer to it as "CC-none" or "CC-released" or something of the s ort, rather than "CC-Ø". Licensing is hard enough for newbies (even for oldbies!) and there's so much confusion over which CC licenses are accepted, it's easier for us to say "we accept CC-by, CC-by-sa, and CC-none" than it is to use "CC-Ø".
I think CC-none is a not so good idea. CC-none implies CC without anything, which implies that all CC licenses are allowed. I think CC-null, CC-zero or CC-O is less confusing.
Not everyone using keyboards without the Ø character wants to memorise and then type "Alt+0216" to produce it, or wants to have to copypaste every time they want to mention it ;)
AltGr (right alt) + L = Ø if you use US-international.
"Bryan Tong Minh" bryan.tongminh@gmail.com wrote on Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:27 PM:
On Nov 17, 2007 10:19 PM, Ayelie ayelie.at.large@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 17, 2007 4:03 PM, Kjetil Ree kjetil_r@yahoo.com wrote:
Ayelie wrote:
On Nov 17, 2007 7:20 AM, Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher@gmail.com
<mailto: brianna.laugher@gmail.com>> wrote:
However the problem still remains of how to pronounce this. ;)"CC urh". "CC slashed-oh." "CC empty set." "CC Close-mid front rounded vowel". Problematic indeed.
"CC-none", short as "CC-by" and even shorter than "CC-by-sa" :)
All Scandinavians know that a Ø is pronounced like the 'i' in 'Sir'.
"CC-ih" ?
[Not directed towards kjetil in particular] I'm not sure everyone would pick up on that, might be easier if we just refer to it as "CC-none" or "CC-released" or something of the s ort, rather than "CC-Ø". Licensing is hard enough for newbies (even for oldbies!) and there's so much confusion over which CC licenses are accepted, it's easier for us to say "we accept CC-by, CC-by-sa, and CC-none" than it is to use "CC-Ø".
I think CC-none is a not so good idea. CC-none implies CC without anything, which implies that all CC licenses are allowed. I think CC-null, CC-zero or CC-O is less confusing.
Null or zero sounds great. Especially since a sign similar to Ø can be used to distinguish O from 0 over here.
Regards,
Flo
On 17/11/2007, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
However the problem still remains of how to pronounce this. ;) "CC urh". "CC slashed-oh." "CC empty set." "CC Close-mid front rounded vowel". Problematic indeed.
CC-theta!
On 18/11/2007, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/11/2007, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
However the problem still remains of how to pronounce this. ;) "CC urh". "CC slashed-oh." "CC empty set." "CC Close-mid front rounded vowel". Problematic indeed.
CC-theta!
"Eww, your picture is covered in CC-thetans."
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_thetan ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu )
- d.