http://duncandavidson.com/archives/564
I responded:
"My apologies on behalf of Wikipedia and Wikimedia! I've emailed to wikien-l and commons-l about this post, asking for suggestions on how we can do better on this sort of thing. There's an editorial habit on English Wikipedia of not putting attributions on photos in the articles themselves, leaving that to the image page ... I think that's a matter for discussion as well."
I think we have to do better on this, at least in some way. The image page needs a BIG OBVIOUS CC notice. Many do, but some don't.
- d.
On 8/24/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
http://duncandavidson.com/archives/564
I responded:
"My apologies on behalf of Wikipedia and Wikimedia! I've emailed to
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David, I don't see how he was getting an image page without the image information. I just tested in 5 browsers here and we correctly display it.
There is no deleted image histor for the filename on enwp. All the revisions on commons look fine.
I'm totally confused.
My best guess is that he browsed the site during while we were partially down (it's not always obvious to anons, since the squids will work on their own)... and the commons text couldn't be fetched? I'm just guessing at this point.
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
My best guess is that he browsed the site during while we were partially down (it's not always obvious to anons, since the squids will work on their own)... and the commons text couldn't be fetched? I'm just guessing at this point.
I guess youre right :) Its the same time i see this particular failure mode, too. Seems to be using Mediawiki:shareduploadwiki and Mediawiki:shareduploadwiki-linktext
My answer:
We're sorry about it. The practise of not putting image sources is similar to the practise of not signing articles (instead, you need to click history).
There have been some ideas about automatic-author-filling in the past, but there's neither the system to do it nor a specific method on how to automatically choose the right author (but we're slowly improving).
We also suffer image-copying, and try to do our best with it. From your screenshots, it seems that he copied the *thumbnailed version* present on the article. Had he go for the full-size one, he would have needed to past via the intermediate page. Sadly, our thumbnails don't keep a pointer to the description page (Exif data had to be removed too, due to thumbnails embedded on them). If you have a good way to do it, or improve our handling, please let us know.
You're also welcome to follow the discussion at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/
It seems to me this is an issue for Wikipedia (et al) rather than Commons per se.
My 2c, I strongly support the existing system. Having inline attribution would be too intrusive. (How would it look for those national flags that have been edited by 20 people...)
However maybe a mouseover system for everyone by default, that has the {{information}}, would be a good idea.
cheers, Brianna
On 8/24/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
It seems to me this is an issue for Wikipedia (et al) rather than Commons per se.
My 2c, I strongly support the existing system. Having inline attribution would be too intrusive. (How would it look for those national flags that have been edited by 20 people...)
However maybe a mouseover system for everyone by default, that has the {{information}}, would be a good idea.
WP already has software that will do the mouseover popup. It's one feature of navigation popups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:POPUPS
They could strip out just the image functionalities fairly easily.
On 8/24/07, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
WP already has software that will do the mouseover popup. It's one feature of navigation popups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:POPUPS
They could strip out just the image functionalities fairly easily.
Currently popups on en.wp can't (or just don't) display images that are hosted on Commons. It instead reads "imagepage preview failed :( is the query.php extension installed?"
That should be changed for regular popups as well as for a new version that has image information. Most of the images in articles are on Commons (other than band articles etc. where they are primarily non-free album covers or other non-free images) and it's a bother when the popups don't work :(
On 8/24/07, Ayelie ayelie.at.large@gmail.com wrote:
Currently popups on en.wp can't (or just don't) display images that are hosted on Commons. It instead reads "imagepage preview failed :( is the query.php extension installed?"
I think popups is currently using ajax for all page loads, which won't work cross site. It could be worked around easily enough.
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
On 8/24/07, Ayelie wrote:
Currently popups on en.wp can't (or just don't) display images that are hosted on Commons. It instead reads "imagepage preview failed :( is the query.php extension installed?"
I think popups is currently using ajax for all page loads, which won't work cross site. It could be worked around easily enough.
However, query.php has proxying capabilities exactly to work around that.