Hi!
I want to shamelessly announce :-) that my photo is used on http://www.schmap.com/sanfrancisco/sights_richmond/#mapview=Map&tab=Plac.... But this image was taken from flickr, not Commons.
Indeed, I advertised Commons in "thank you" letter, but this is information for critical analysis...
We still have problems with Commons visibility :-(. Google still can't find images on Commons. GeoCommons is not included by default in Google Earth. And so on and so on... :-(
Just some thoughts... Eugene.
On 7/6/07, Eugene Zelenko eugene.zelenko@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
I want to shamelessly announce :-) that my photo is used on
http://www.schmap.com/sanfrancisco/sights_richmond/#mapview=Map&tab=Plac... . But this image was taken from flickr, not Commons.
Indeed, I advertised Commons in "thank you" letter, but this is information for critical analysis...
We still have problems with Commons visibility :-(. Google still can't find images on Commons. GeoCommons is not included by default in Google Earth. And so on and so on... :-(
I concur. Some months ago, I was requested permission to reuse one of my pictures of Nicolas Sarkozy (current French President). The lady who asked me found the picture on my flickr gallery and wanted to use it on the cover of a newsletter her company edited. I asked her to cite Wikimedia Commons as source, but we really need to increase our visibility.
On 7/6/07, Guillaume Paumier guillom.pom@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/6/07, Eugene Zelenko < eugene.zelenko@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi!
I want to shamelessly announce :-) that my photo is used on
http://www.schmap.com/sanfrancisco/sights_richmond/#mapview=Map&tab=Plac... . But this image was taken from flickr, not Commons.
Indeed, I advertised Commons in "thank you" letter, but this is information for critical analysis...
We still have problems with Commons visibility :-(. Google still can't find images on Commons. GeoCommons is not included by default in Google Earth. And so on and so on... :-(
I concur. Some months ago, I was requested permission to reuse one of my pictures of Nicolas Sarkozy (current French President). The lady who asked me found the picture on my flickr gallery and wanted to use it on the cover of a newsletter her company edited. I asked her to cite Wikimedia Commons as source, but we really need to increase our visibility.
-- Guillaume Paumier
Definitely agree: three of my images are being used different places (one in a documentary for the British History Channel, one on a website in the UK, and one was used on a news article) and they are all images that were dual posted to Flickr and Commons. All three times, the mail came from flickr and that's where the image was taken from; credit in the news article went to Ayelie with a link to my *flickr* account, though I asked that the documentary mention "Ayelie at the Wikimedia Commons" .
We need to make it easier for people to contact the owners of the images, as people seem to like to do that before using them - I was contacted for two instances, and both times they seemed to want to double check things like how to credit me or, in the case of the one used on the site, I licensed a thumbnail as PD for them so they could use it as an icon without worrying about attribution for such a teensy thing. Some people do figure out that there's an "E-mail this user" link when you visit the uploader/author's userpage, but most people are just going to look at the image page. It is easy, of course, for people to simply add their personal info to the information page; but a lot of people don't think to or can't be bothered.
Ideas: 1. Enable a user preference where user's e-mail addresses are added to the sidebar or to the image description page on images they upload 2. Have an option (checkbox on upload page) when "uploading own work" to have your e-mail address added to the page, either via sidebar link or next to the author name in the {{information}} template 3. Have users fill a "public info" section in preferences, which is then shown on all image pages as a separate section; much like the "upload history" section.
Problems with said ideas: 1. All images uploaded, including moved images from other projects and old/PD images, etc., would have the option; not always a problem, but users may be contacted about images they didn't create or that were moved 2. None I can see, this is probably the best option.. though not everyone uses the "upload own work" form 3. Same problem as idea 1
To fix these issues we could add an option to every individual image to "add contact information"; and there could be an option to add information from another project, if the author included such info in the description page.
I realise this is going to take a *lot* of scripting and hacking etc., but there may be mid-way steps to make things easier in the meantime. The upload form won't be too hard to change, and is better than nothing. I can fill a bug report if anyone thinks these are good ideas... I'm just throwing them out there for now :)
It's always interesting to google your own username and see where your photos are being used. (as well as what websites, blogs, forums, etc. say about your work on Wikipedia and Wikimedia projects). I'm pleased to see people think these photos are good enough to reuse elsewhere.
http://richmondva.wordpress.com/2007/06/06/new-development-for-downtown-broa... http://science.howstuffworks.com/tunnel1.htm http://dcist.com/2006/05/18/transit_on_thur.php
I can't find it any longer, but was very amused to find one of my pictures was once used in a news item on the Department of Homeland Security home page.
Though, I also have had some inquiries from people not sure how to provide attribution. To my user name? real name? or what. Maybe it would help to provide those answers on my user page.
-Aude
On 7/6/07, Ayelie ayelie.at.large@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/6/07, Guillaume Paumier < guillom.pom@gmail.com > wrote:
On 7/6/07, Eugene Zelenko < eugene.zelenko@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi!
I want to shamelessly announce :-) that my photo is used on
http://www.schmap.com/sanfrancisco/sights_richmond/#mapview=Map&tab=Plac... . But this image was taken from flickr, not Commons.
Indeed, I advertised Commons in "thank you" letter, but this is information for critical analysis...
We still have problems with Commons visibility :-(. Google still can't find images on Commons. GeoCommons is not included by default in Google Earth. And so on and so on... :-(
I concur. Some months ago, I was requested permission to reuse one of my pictures of Nicolas Sarkozy (current French President). The lady who asked me found the picture on my flickr gallery and wanted to use it on the cover of a newsletter her company edited. I asked her to cite Wikimedia Commons as source, but we really need to increase our visibility.
-- Guillaume Paumier
Definitely agree: three of my images are being used different places (one in a documentary for the British History Channel, one on a website in the UK, and one was used on a news article) and they are all images that were dual posted to Flickr and Commons. All three times, the mail came from flickr and that's where the image was taken from; credit in the news article went to Ayelie with a link to my *flickr* account, though I asked that the documentary mention "Ayelie at the Wikimedia Commons" .
We need to make it easier for people to contact the owners of the images, as people seem to like to do that before using them - I was contacted for two instances, and both times they seemed to want to double check things like how to credit me or, in the case of the one used on the site, I licensed a thumbnail as PD for them so they could use it as an icon without worrying about attribution for such a teensy thing. Some people do figure out that there's an "E-mail this user" link when you visit the uploader/author's userpage, but most people are just going to look at the image page. It is easy, of course, for people to simply add their personal info to the information page; but a lot of people don't think to or can't be bothered.
Ideas:
- Enable a user preference where user's e-mail addresses are added to the
sidebar or to the image description page on images they upload 2. Have an option (checkbox on upload page) when "uploading own work" to have your e-mail address added to the page, either via sidebar link or next to the author name in the {{information}} template 3. Have users fill a "public info" section in preferences, which is then shown on all image pages as a separate section; much like the "upload history" section.
Problems with said ideas:
- All images uploaded, including moved images from other projects and
old/PD images, etc., would have the option; not always a problem, but users may be contacted about images they didn't create or that were moved 2. None I can see, this is probably the best option.. though not everyone uses the "upload own work" form 3. Same problem as idea 1
To fix these issues we could add an option to every individual image to "add contact information"; and there could be an option to add information from another project, if the author included such info in the description page.
I realise this is going to take a *lot* of scripting and hacking etc., but there may be mid-way steps to make things easier in the meantime. The upload form won't be too hard to change, and is better than nothing. I can fill a bug report if anyone thinks these are good ideas... I'm just throwing them out there for now :)
-- Ayelie ~Editor at Large
Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
Hello,
On 7/7/07, Ayelie ayelie.at.large@gmail.com wrote:
We need to make it easier for people to contact the owners of the images, as people seem to like to do that before using them - I was contacted for two instances, and both times they seemed to want to double check things like how to credit me or, in the case of the one used on the site, I licensed a thumbnail as PD for them so they could use it as an icon without worrying about attribution for such a teensy thing. Some people do figure out that there's an "E-mail this user" link when you visit the uploader/author's userpage, but most people are just going to look at the image page. It is easy, of course, for people to simply add their personal info to the information page; but a lot of people don't think to or can't be bothered.
Ideas:
- Enable a user preference where user's e-mail addresses are added to the
sidebar or to the image description page on images they upload 2. Have an option (checkbox on upload page) when "uploading own work" to have your e-mail address added to the page, either via sidebar link or next to the author name in the {{information}} template 3. Have users fill a "public info" section in preferences, which is then shown on all image pages as a separate section; much like the "upload history" section.
Problems with said ideas:
- All images uploaded, including moved images from other projects and
old/PD images, etc., would have the option; not always a problem, but users may be contacted about images they didn't create or that were moved 2. None I can see, this is probably the best option.. though not everyone uses the "upload own work" form 3. Same problem as idea 1
To fix these issues we could add an option to every individual image to "add contact information"; and there could be an option to add information from another project, if the author included such info in the description page.
For visitors, it is not even easy to understand they need to click on usernames to get more information about the author / uploader. The best thing to do is to add the credit requirements and email address directly on description pages. I usually use a template (saved in a subpage of mine) to give this information.
On 07/07/07, Eugene Zelenko eugene.zelenko@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
I want to shamelessly announce :-) that my photo is used on http://www.schmap.com/sanfrancisco/sights_richmond/#mapview=Map&tab=Plac.... But this image was taken from flickr, not Commons.
Indeed, I advertised Commons in "thank you" letter, but this is information for critical analysis...
We still have problems with Commons visibility :-(. Google still can't find images on Commons.
Actually this problem has been solved. But you have to search upload.wikimedia.org instead of commons.wikimedia.org (which still returns very few image results). Searching upload.wikimedia.org will also return images that have been uploaded to other Wikimedia projects.
GeoCommons is not included by default in
Google Earth.
Actually there was some talk recently on wikitech-l with a chap from Google I believe, about using our standard template {{coord}} if we make it a standard. So there might be progress on that front.
But aside from these two small victories I agree, we are still woefully unknown.
That should be our slogan - 'Wikimedia Commons - the web's best-kept secret'.
BTW - nice photo! cool to see it being used :)
cheers Brianna
Btw, I noticed recently that two of my PD-self pictures representing the statue known as the Leaning Satyr were reused in _Praxiteles_ by Jackie Pigeaud, a book published at the same time as the big exhibition held at the Louvre about this sculptor.
What puzzles me is that credits (name of photograph and agency) are given at the end of the book for all pictures save two series, one of which concerns the Leaning Satyr. The credit line just mentions "droits réservés", i.e "some rights reserved", without any name. I'm pretty sure those are my pictures, though. I don't care not being mentioned, but I'm rather surprised by the "some rights reserved" line. Should I write to inquire about it?
On 7/7/07, Jastrow jastrow@pip-pip.org wrote:
Btw, I noticed recently that two of my PD-self pictures representing the statue known as the Leaning Satyr were reused in _Praxiteles_ by Jackie Pigeaud, a book published at the same time as the big exhibition held at the Louvre about this sculptor.
What puzzles me is that credits (name of photograph and agency) are given at the end of the book for all pictures save two series, one of which concerns the Leaning Satyr. The credit line just mentions "droits réservés", i.e "some rights reserved", without any name. I'm pretty sure those are my pictures, though. I don't care not being mentioned, but I'm rather surprised by the "some rights reserved" line. Should I write to inquire about it?
Oh yes!
The Louvre has been way too nasty about pictures lately to let anything that has brought them any kind of fame/money/whatever at the expense of Wikimedia unnoticed.
Please, do write a letter to enquire what happened to this. This could be a very very important lobby point to raise when we need access to things that are "public domain" and yet under many closed doors.
:-)
Delphine
Le 7/7/07 8:36 PM, Delphine Ménard a écrit :
The Louvre has been way too nasty about pictures lately
How so?
to let anything that has brought them any kind of fame/money/whatever at the expense of Wikimedia unnoticed.
The statue is exhibited in the Musei Capitolini and the author and his book have nothing to do with the Louvre.
Marie-Lan
On 7/8/07, Jastrow jastrow@pip-pip.org wrote:
Le 7/7/07 8:36 PM, Delphine Ménard a écrit :
The Louvre has been way too nasty about pictures lately
How so?
They banned cameras.
Le 7/8/07 2:15 PM, geni a écrit :
On 7/8/07, Jastrow jastrow@pip-pip.org wrote:
Le 7/7/07 8:36 PM, Delphine Ménard a écrit :
The Louvre has been way too nasty about pictures lately
How so?
They banned cameras.
From a couple of galleries. While I regret it, this is a somewhat limited nastiness compared to, say, Florentine museums.
Marie-Lan