I'd appreciate some sort of a mechanism (maybe java backup) that will allow me to better check the images. It takes too much time to process every individual entry with the detail I'd like to put it. And after the 1000th delete it starts to get annoying to manually check history of the image, contributions of the tagger/uploader and etc. We need a bot to at the very least warn the uploaders if they weren't warned. I wouldn't however want a bot that starts deleting things. No matter how hard a bot is written, it is possible to trick a bot into doing destructive stuff. Having said that we absolutely need a delinking bot. If the delinker gets blocked in local wikis they cease to become our problem. If wikis are going to use our content they definitely need to be cooperative. If we have a commons delinker working, the ticker probably wouldn't have to report deleted images though it would report the tagging. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One nice thing to do is perhaps to break the deletion processes such as {{no license}}, {{no source}}. {{pd-art}}, {{pd-old}} images tagged with {{no source}} should be a separate process. I really want better deletion tools as I am required to do a thousand deletions per day to keep up with backlog (as it is now). It is theoretically impossible for us to deal with the commons backlog at the rate of increasing backlog versus the rate of successfully admin candidates. Commons backlog is actualy already out of control. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ As it stands it is clear that commons is a failing system. We should really have more tools here on commons at our disposal. It should take me two clicks to review and delete an image. Needless to say the nonsense leaking to us from es.wiki is creating additional problems. On 11/15/06, samuli(a)samulilintula.net <samuli(a)samulilintula.net> wrote:

On 11/22/06, Cool Cat &lt;wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: <snip> I'll be pretty busy with other things (commonly refered to as "real life";-) for another week or so, but after that I'll have time to build new toys^W tools. Maybe you (that is, anyone concerned) should whip up a page with what you need. Preferably something I can do on the toolserver, as it really cuts development/bug fixing times. Magnus

On 23/11/06, Cool Cat &lt;wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I think this is not the best attitude. (Especially since we can't stop any Wikimedia wiki using our content, so it's a kinda hollow threat.) If Commons is going to serve its primary useful purpose, it definitely needs the acceptance and cooperation of Wikimedia wikis. Alienating projects with a "if you don't like it, tough" attitude seems counterproductive. Nice of you to notice, it's been like that as long as I've been paying attention, too. ;) Anyway getting Magnus on side is always a good start to any sideproject for the Commons, so I look forward to seeing what you guys can come up with. regards, Brianna user:pfctdayelise

On 23/11/06, geni &lt;geniice(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I would call that a local interface problem rather than a conscious avoidance of Commons. I always upload free images directly to Commons, but when you click "Upload file", [[Special:Upload]] says you should "consider" uploading it to Commons. Uploading to en: is just lots easier unless you know your way around Wikimedia. And when you click on the link to upload to Commons, it tells you you need a login there too. "What, *another* login? I'll just upload to en:, it's much easier." SUL! SUL! By the way, Commons admins may care to compare: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload I wonder if anyone is up to translating the harsh text of the second example into enough languages ... certainly into Spanish. - d.

Yo, I think we need to be a bit more persuasive about the cooperation thing. We aren't even sending angry mail when a local wiki causes a setback. Local wikis should understand that by unlinking, we are doing them a favor. We are not even required to unlink any images instead we are simply recommended in doing so. All local wikis must cut back on bureaucracy on any and all issues involving commons. We aren't able to get anything done because of the retarded amount of bureaucracy. A good example would be the delinking bots to this problem. Identifying a problem is the first step in seeking a solution. - Cool Cat On 11/23/06, Brianna Laugher &lt;brianna.laugher(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

Good sir, I agree with you. - Cool Cat On 11/23/06, Bryan Tong Minh &lt;bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

"Magnus Manske" wrote Maybe it could show the deletion request itself above the input fields? What about a next button that switches to the next deletetion request from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests? Awesome tool, as always! Flo

On 11/24/06, Florian Straub &lt;flominator(a)gmx.net&gt; wrote: Well, I made a compromise - give a date range (default: last 10 days) and it generates a list of images-to-be-deleted. With deletion discussion preview, keep/delete/ignore choices and reason text for each action. Will generate a (huge) list of links/edit buttons. Happy hunting ;-) Magnus

I'd appreciate some sort of a mechanism (maybe java backup) that will allow me to better check the images. It takes too much time to process every individual entry with the detail I'd like to put it. And after the 1000th delete it starts to get annoying to manually check history of the image, contributions of the tagger/uploader and etc. We need a bot to at the very least warn the uploaders if they weren't warned. I wouldn't however want a bot that starts deleting things. No matter how hard a bot is written, it is possible to trick a bot into doing destructive stuff. On 11/15/06, samuli(a)samulilintula.net &lt;samuli(a)samulilintula.net&gt; wrote:

"bawolff" &lt;bawolff+wn(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote on Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:22 AM: One could tell the bot to write a decent summary like "been in nld since ...." Regards, Flo