On 22/03/2009, at 11:57 PM, Magnus Manske wrote:
2009/3/22 Liam Wyatt liamwyatt@gmail.com:
Our insistence that "we don't have to, it's PD" only makes us look silly and them less likely to want to work with us. Meeting their requirements would be a good thing to do. So, I ask that when we copy images from galleries/museums/ libraries, or even when we take photos of the originals ourselves, we include the comprehensive attribution that the gallery/museum itself includes. I would suggest that this should be the Commons policy when dealing with art.
I doubt that anyone on Commons would want to prevent inclusion of available metadata in the description.
The only reasons why this is not done I can see are:
- lazyness
This is something that we cannot control nor regulate against, unfortunately :-)
- a museum might not hold the copyright to a picture, but it could
argue to hold copyright to the description, especially if it's substantive. People might hesitate to copy that unless it is clearly allowed.
Yes, the prose description is the Gallery's copyright, we can't copy that. But I'm referring to the metadata information (which Galleries insist is required for full/accurate attribution). For example: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sunbaker_maxdupain_nga76.54.jpg English: Sunbaker is an iconic photograph by Australian photographer Max Dupain. Source http://artsearch.nga.gov.au/Detail.cfm?IRN=102513
Max DUPAIN Australia 1911 - 1992 Sunbaker 1937 gelatin silver photograph image 38.6 x 43.4 cm sheet 52.8 x 55.0 cm National Gallery of Australia, Canberra. Accn No: NGA 76.54
- Fair-use vs. {{self}}.
Later in the meeting I was directed to look at two images: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Warlugulong.jpg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ File:Margaret_olley_still_life_1975.JPG Both of these paintings are in the Australian National Gallery collection, both are self-made photographs taken by a visitor to the gallery, both are uploaded to en:Wikipedia and the subject matter of both are in copyright. However, one is listed as a fair-use claim whilst the other is listed as Public Domain by virtue of the photographer releasing the photo under that license. The question is, which copyright licence is correct?
An image apparently made in 1975 is not public domain, unless the author declares it to be. Can't tell about the other one.
The original painting is certainly NOT public domain - but what about the copyright status of a photograph that you or I might take of that painting? That is the question.
Cheers, Magnus
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