Commons-l June 2009

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Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Code updated
by David Gerard 18 Jun '09

18 Jun '09

A note on how to bug the devs about bugs :-) - d. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Brion Vibber <brion(a)wikimedia.org> Date: 2009/6/17 Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Code updated To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> On 6/15/09 7:30 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > Wikimedia's copy of MediaWiki has been updated to r51904 (r51864 for > extensions). There were lots of fun bugs, the most exciting of which > are now fixed. Awesome, thanks Tim! > Developers, please check the bug tracker for bugs reported against > code that you maintain, or bugs that you can otherwise fix. Users, > please report any bugs you notice there, after doing a search for > duplicates, even if you also report them in other places such as IRC > or [[WP:VPT]]. > > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ > > Please do not discourage users from reporting "known issues", point > them to the bug report so that they can give us a priority hint in a > comment. It's hard to prioritise bug fixes when we don't know how many > people are affected or how severe the issue is. *nod* We're all trying to make sure we use the bug tracker more effectively and keep up with both new and old issues. Don't be afraid to bug people, but always bug them _with_ the bug tracker so we can keep a "paper trail" of what's at issue and how it affects you! -- brion _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?
by David Gerard 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> Date: 2009/6/16 Subject: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not? To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> OK, the question has popped up so many times, that I think it would only be fair to give it a separate topic on this list :) Now I'd like to have a discussion about this, and not just assumptions. Let's not be childish and say "yes it is, no it's not" (which some of the discussion comes down to) but lets play around a bit with arguments. This discussion is btw not new at all, I remember to have discussed over it several times, and I've had both opinions probably in time. Mostly this discussion comes up when a project (in the past at least several times this was the Dutch Wikipedia, as some might remember) felt that the commons community was damaging the content they uploaded there without them having a say over it. The even more important question is, however, when comes the moment when the two are in conflict? I doubt any project actually cares whether commons has out of scope images (well, a few might, but that is actually commons people then imho, not wikipedians/wikisourcians etc), not what the categorization is like. As long as it works, they can upload their stuff, it is safe, and they can use it. The problems often came when a few "bad people" (paraphrasing it as it was received by the Dutch Wikipedians at the time, no insult intended) were damaging their content (at the time, it was for example about Coat of Arms-png's being deleted) and they felt not heard or helped by others. I think that is currently a repeating pattern in some way. A smaller group, with all best intentions, decides to "harm" a collection of content, and people feel attacked by that, and react in a not-so-positive way. That is where the service project and the independent project clash. Were it merely service, the commons would abide the wish of the wikipedians (wikisourcians etc), were it independent, the Wikipedians would have bad luck and live with it. So now please share with me, in those conflict situations, which should it be, and, most importantly, why? I'll believe service project is great in ideal situations, as would be independent, as long as everything goes fine. But in these border cases? eia _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Some reflections about the governance of Commons
by Dedalus 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

Andy asked: Could somebody please point us to some blog posts or wiki pages or other forums (a Wave would be nice, if it comes with usernames ;-) to get an overview and participate more fully in the conversation? I think that might help make the discussion more productive. Andy please see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Some_reflections_on_the_governanc… Dedalus

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Re: [Commons-l] Commons-l Digest, Vol 49, Issue 24
by JIM Click 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

I have ask you before to cancel my name from your mailing list. Jim Click ----- Original Message ----- From: <commons-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> To: <commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:38 AM Subject: Commons-l Digest, Vol 49, Issue 24 > Send Commons-l mailing list submissions to > commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > commons-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > commons-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Commons-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Some reflections about the governance of Commons (Alex Brollo) > 2. Re: Some reflections about the governance of Commons (Eusebius) > 3. Re: Some reflections about the governance of Commons > (Gerard Meijssen) > 4. Re: Some reflections about the governance of Commons > (Daniel Kinzler) > 5. Re: Some reflections about the governance of Commons > (Daniel Kinzler) > 6. Re: Some reflections about the governance of Commons > (Gerard Meijssen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:31:37 +0200 > From: Alex Brollo <alex.brollo(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Some reflections about the governance of > Commons > To: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List <commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <b8ab48310906160031i591e78alc94a09b8c1ee6ca6(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 2009/6/16 Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd(a)yahoo.com> > >> If commons is not a service project, what is it? *Unlike other projects >> which have a measurable output, Commons' sole function appears to be as a >> repository of free images.* It is therefore very much a service project >> as >> it serves other projects through storage of images. >> > > I don't agree with this statement. > 1. any wiki project has in part a role of service for other wiki project. > I.e.: we use la.source as a "repository" of original latin sources for our > Italian translations of latin classics. > 2. any shared file (images, movies and so on) is an independent output, > that > can be used both into wiki projects and by any other web user. In > particular, movies often carry a "complete message" by themselves. But if > you think about, pictures too carry such a complete message, and sometimes > a > very important one, needing lots of NPOV. > > Alex >

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DVD ripping, splitting, uploading
by Samuel Klein 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

[[w:Nina Paley]] is releasing most of her historical art and video work under CC-SA. This includes a body of shorts which are currently on an out-of-production DVD. Is there a good place to post a link to source for ripping and uploading? Are there examples of commons projects that have done this before? SJ

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Global deleted image review (was Some reflections about the governance of Commons)
by David Gerard 15 Jun '09

15 Jun '09

2009/6/15 Huib Laurens <Abigor(a)forgotten-beauty.com>: > Here is the page on meta: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_deleted_image_review > That one links to the vote that passed with 80% support. > And for the bug: > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14801 Looks like there's code to implement it, but it isn't very good ... Is there an interested dev who could implement better code for this bug? We appear to have the consensus, we just need good enough magical incantations to implement it! - d.

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remove my name from your mailing list.Jim Click
by JIM Click 15 Jun '09

15 Jun '09

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Picasa has Creative Commons search!
by David Gerard 14 Jun '09

14 Jun '09

http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-06-11-n19.html - d.

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Fighting anti-Theora FUD
by David Gerard 14 Jun '09

14 Jun '09

There's a lot of complete rubbish being said about Theora versus H.264. Greg Maxwell has come up with actual comparable videos: http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html - d.

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Some reflections about the governance of Commons
by Ting Chen 12 Jun '09

12 Jun '09

Hello, I had started a discussion on the Village Pump of Commons. I think Commons is a very important project, and a very complicated project. With more and more projects initiated by our chapters to encourage other organizations or individuals to give their content free and upload them to Commons it also becomes a fassade project of the Foundation and its chapters. This and other reasons make me think that we should as broadly as possible to discuss a few issues on Commons. The discussion is here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Some_reflections_abo… -- Ting Ting's Blog: http://wingphilopp.blogspot.com/

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