Commons-l January 2009

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default quality for ogg content?
by Michael Dale 06 Feb '09

06 Feb '09

Once we ship the firefogg extension support for the uploading videos; commons should request that users select the highest quality source video footage available ie the HD video their camera captured or DV original edited footage from their local computer and then commons will supply the transcode settings. I think it would be good if we wrote up some documentation to explain this to uploaders... any volunteers to help on that front? Presently for the firefogg upload support I have arbitrarily chosen 400 pixels wide with keep-aspect ratio and 500kbs bitrate. Firefogg could let us request multiple encodes or profiles from the user. Should we plan on supporting multiple "profiles" ie multiple quality settings? Ie one version at around 320 wide 300kbs for low bandwidth / resolution environments, cell phones etc (300kbs should be "acceptable quality" once the new Thusnelda theora encoder lands). We could additionally read the source file resolution that users provide and choose a "maximum quality preservation version" we could probably even ship the Dirac codec with firefogg (Dirac is a high quality at high resolution wavelate codec for more on dirac see your favorite info source ;) If we want to support multiple quality settings for a single "stream" this will require a bit more infrastructure. Specifically I propose we add another namespace for temporal media called Stream: and have it directly map to ROE xml something like: http://tinyurl.com/72x57r more info on ROE http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/ROE File:my_movie_low_quality.ogg and File:my_movie_high_quality.ogg would soft redirect to Stream:my_movie and all the meta info would be stored there. The Stream namespace also allows us to group other media tracks that share a temporal meaning such as multiple language audio dubbing and multilingual transcripts/ subtitles. The javascript player can then dynamically select audio language and or subtitles based on the user language. Stream namespace could also store "mirrors" or point to "torrents" improving syndication and bandwith cost distribution for high traffic HD content ie (Miro could read the ROE file and grab the torrent rather than hit our servers) and or a Firefox torrent extension could be detected by our javascript player and choose the torrent over hitting our servers for the HD content. Not to say all these things will happen at once ... just pointing out the need for a new namespace to group idential temporal meaning files. --michael

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Re: [Commons-l] [Wikitech-l] Client side transcoding with firefogg (early testing)...
by Brianna Laugher 01 Feb '09

01 Feb '09

2009/1/29 Walter Siegmund <siegmund(a)astro.washington.edu>: > Hi, > > I tried the instructions in part 1 but was not able to see the > "Ubuntu icon/a film reel with a plus symbol". That is with OS X > 10.4.11/Safari 3.2.1. I did empty my browser cache. I tried Camino > 1.5 with the same result. Hi Walter, I see you copied a few things from my monobook.js, so you should have other things installed. Do you see the "category tree" icon at the right end of the icons above the edit box? Here is a screenshot: <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tgr/catinsert.js> If you can see that, but not that film reel one, then it is a problem with the Metavid script. If you can't see either, then I suspect your cache is still not emptied. Or, hmm, maybe there is something Firefox specific about these scripts... but just for the add-media wizard, I think it is only Javascript stuff... Brianna -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/

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Re: [Commons-l] [Foundation-l] Are model releases required for 'Free' content? (was: Sexual Content on Wikimedia)
by David Gerard 31 Jan '09

31 Jan '09

2009/1/31 Peter Jacobi <pjacobi.de(a)googlemail.com>: > David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I didn't add "(or are supposed to be)". Now I'm wondering if I was >> thinking of the personality rights tag. > Can you please give an example link to the tag you are talking about? This is the personality rights tag: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Personality_rights This is the category of restrictions templates: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Restriction_tags Possibly I was thinking of the note about model rights in the reuse page: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:REUSE So if there isn't a tag warning in general about model rights (assuming reusers aren't reading all of Commons, they're just looking at an image page, seeing the licence and going "ooh I can use that" as Virgin did with the CC-by-sa pic they reused) - is a tag warning that, duh, you have to take care with pictures of people worthwhile? (cc to commons-l) - d.

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Re: [Commons-l] [Wikitech-l] License information (was: PDF/Collection feature live on de.wikibooks)
by Brianna Laugher 31 Jan '09

31 Jan '09

2009/1/30 Johannes Beigel <johannes.beigel(a)pediapress.com>: > On 29.01.2009, at 13:48, Brianna Laugher wrote: > > On Wikimedia Commons a little bit of work has been done to this end: > > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Commons_API> > > We've been aware of this page and Magnus' implementation, and we think > it looks really good! > > The information is (AFAIK) scraped from the rendered XHTML of > articles. This could be done in a less error-prone way (and more > efficiently) if the data would be stored and accessed via database in > some way. Of course this would require some discussion, formal > decisions and code changes. But as I stated in an earlier post: I > think MediaWiki is so widely used by people who want to share and > collaborate on free content, that it's not too farfetched to build > some "license infrastracture" into the software itself. I agree that it makes a lot of sense. But because it would be a big change, I fear that unless the lead developers show great enthusiasm for the idea, it will take a very long time to be accepted and completed. Whereas building an "add-on" tool can be faster to get to point of functionality. It may be a good idea to try and build the Commons API to mimic the MediaWiki API, imagining that in the future such information will be available via that. So then hopefully for now people could use the Commons API, and in the future switch to the MediaWiki API by just changing the API URL, and all their queries could stay the same. How does that sound? Other ideas about how to approach it are welcome... cheers Brianna -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/

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by corina 31 Jan '09

31 Jan '09

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Re: [Commons-l] [Textbook-l] License information (was: PDF/Collection feature live on de.wikibooks)
by Brianna Laugher 30 Jan '09

30 Jan '09

2008/10/14 Johannes Beigel <johannes.beigel(a)pediapress.com>: >>> Secondly, current version of the tool does a plagiarism - beacause >>> it does not mention >>> image authors and does not provide any mean (like by making images >>> clickable) to check >>> these authors. >> >> Ouch, thanks for pointing that out. Tricky to do this automatically >> since it's all wiki-text with templates, but we'll investigate a >> solution here. > > We'd highly appreciate input from the community regarding this topic! > > The printed books from PediaPress contain a list of figures where the > license of each image is listed, together with the URL to the image > description page. As some kind of "hotfix" this solution could be > implemented in the PDF export of the Collection extension, too. But > this doesn't really solve the problem. > > We think it's more of a technical/software thing, so I cross-posted > (and set Reply-To) to Wikitech-l. > > In our opinion, license management/handling must be a core feature of > MediaWiki, because the software is explicitely developed for the > collaborative distribution of free content. Licenses of the containing > articles and images should not be represented via some agreed-upon > convention but via structured (and machine-readable) information, > available for each relevant object in the wiki. > > Some information that would be desired: > > - Full (official) name of the license(s). > - Whether the full text of the license has to be included or a > reference sufficient. > - Reference to the full text of the license(s) (in some rigidly > defined format like wikitext). > - Whether attribution is required. If so: The list of required > attributions. > > So, basically all the information that's required to check if it's > possible to take some part of the MediaWiki and use it somewhere else > and all the information that has to be included in that other place. > This information could be made accessible via MediaWiki API, but > ideally it's contained in the wikitext and/or XHTML, too. Because different wikis implement licenses in different ways (ie there are no naming conventions for license templates), I am not sure this license information would belong in MediaWiki core. But I think that definitely Wikimedia Commons, and perhaps other Wikimedia wikis that accept freely licensed uploads, should work on providing a "community API" layer. My thinking behind this is that the communities build a lot of structure into their content via templates or categories or whatever. It makes sense to provide an API to stop every third party user having to reinvent the wheel. On Wikimedia Commons a little bit of work has been done to this end: <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Commons_API> In particular this contains some of the license info you mentioned. e.g. below is the info for the GFDL. GFDL full_name GNU Free Documentation License attach_full_license_text 1 attribute_author 1 keep_under_same_license 1 keep_under_similar_license 0 license_logo_url http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Heckert_GNU_white.… license_info_url http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html license_text_url http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.txt The "Commons API" also has an author field. <http://toolserver.org/~magnus/commonsapi.php?image=Sa-warthog.jpg&meta> I think at the moment this is being taken from the {{information}} template. You can see in this example it includes a wiki link; it should have already been resolved to a full URL, so there is definitely still work to be done. I would be interested to know if further development of the Commons API would be "heading in the right direction" for PediaPress. cheers, Brianna -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/

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conform
by gagirl 30 Jan '09

30 Jan '09

thank you

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How to get visit log of a wiki page
by Albert Grain 29 Jan '09

29 Jan '09

Dear members, I am a newbie of wiki and I want to do research on a wiki page. I want to know how to get the visit log of the page, i.e., hourly/ daily hit counts, and if possible, visitor IP address, user agent, etc. If you happen know the way, please finger it for me. Thanks in advance for your kind help! With best regards, Grain

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File deletion / copyvio.s and stuff
by private musings 29 Jan '09

29 Jan '09

Hi all, This is a bit of a 'cross post' from here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Copyrig… (and http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=22495 ) where I was raising the question of how Wikimedia deals with deletions, which of course aren't really full 'deletions' in that they're available to admin.s - my previous post follows; .....it's illegal to break copyright, right? - and if an article, or image on a wikimedia foundation project breaks copyright then it gets deleted. I just wonder how the copyright owner feels about the article / image still being available to over a thousand (and growing) number of unidentified people - that's illegal, right? I've had this in the 'don't really care' bucket for ages - but as part of my forays into sexual content on wiki, came across this image<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Brip.jpg>(now deleted) which I believe was very (very) close to being an illegal image, because it sexualised a child. Anyone reading this who's an admin at commons can view the image - isn't that a bit wrong? The fact is that wikimedia's administrators have unfettered (and apparently un-monitorable) access to a huge, and ever growing body of copyright infringing work. Doesn't seem sustainable to me. thoughts most welcome, cheers, Peter, PM.

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Client side transcoding with firefogg (early testing)...
by Michael Dale 29 Jan '09

29 Jan '09

While the upload API is under development / stabilization ... I hacked in basic firefogg upload support to the add_media_wizard ... Since firefogg works over post you can use it with the existing upload interface (without good error handling).... If you first download the browser extension from firefogg.org you can do client side transcoding by adding in: importScriptURI('http://mvbox2.cse.ucsc.edu/wiki/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/add_media_wiza…'); to your User:Name/monobook.js page on commons... once added visit the upload page and hopefully it gives you the option to transcode ;) This is just a proof of concept demo.. we should soon have real integration ;) peace, --michael

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