Hi Everyone,
I'm sorry to say that the sites are not yet launched, although we are getting closer. We have encountered a few unexpected issues that have delayed us, and the overall transfer process is taking much longer than anticipated. We're importing the data as quickly as we can without impacting other WMF sites, and are nearing the end of the transfer process. After that, we'll be doing some final QA to make sure that everything is working, and then we'll point dns to the new servers.
In the meantime, the WMF legal team has also asked that we launch the sites with new wording on the Disclaimer pages, using language as close to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/Disclaimer as possible. It would be great if we could get some help with the translation, and make sure this isn't going to be an issue for any of the communities.
Thanks for your continued patience, and I have to be announcing the sites' availability soon!
Chris
I don't foresee any problems with the disclaimer verbiage. It's almost all verbatim from the WP general disclaimer, with only one addition:
*The information on WIkivoyage is contributed by users, whose underlying experiences are inherently subjective. While we believe in the power of crowd-sourcing, Wikimedia has not independently verified any content and makes no assertion that the travel information provided is factually accurate.*
I personally find that the acknowledgement of unavoidable subjectivity is codified in our disclaimer heartening ;)
-Peter
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:54 PM, Chris Steipp csteipp@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'm sorry to say that the sites are not yet launched, although we are getting closer. We have encountered a few unexpected issues that have delayed us, and the overall transfer process is taking much longer than anticipated. We're importing the data as quickly as we can without impacting other WMF sites, and are nearing the end of the transfer process. After that, we'll be doing some final QA to make sure that everything is working, and then we'll point dns to the new servers.
In the meantime, the WMF legal team has also asked that we launch the sites with new wording on the Disclaimer pages, using language as close to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/Disclaimer as possible. It would be great if we could get some help with the translation, and make sure this isn't going to be an issue for any of the communities.
Thanks for your continued patience, and I have to be announcing the sites' availability soon!
Chris
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Yes exactly. It separates this project clearly from Wikipedia.
J
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Peter B Fitzgerald pbf5@georgetown.eduwrote:
I don't foresee any problems with the disclaimer verbiage. It's almost all verbatim from the WP general disclaimer, with only one addition:
*The information on WIkivoyage is contributed by users, whose underlying experiences are inherently subjective. While we believe in the power of crowd-sourcing, Wikimedia has not independently verified any content and makes no assertion that the travel information provided is factually accurate.*
I personally find that the acknowledgement of unavoidable subjectivity is codified in our disclaimer heartening ;)
-Peter
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:54 PM, Chris Steipp csteipp@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'm sorry to say that the sites are not yet launched, although we are getting closer. We have encountered a few unexpected issues that have delayed us, and the overall transfer process is taking much longer than anticipated. We're importing the data as quickly as we can without impacting other WMF sites, and are nearing the end of the transfer process. After that, we'll be doing some final QA to make sure that everything is working, and then we'll point dns to the new servers.
In the meantime, the WMF legal team has also asked that we launch the sites with new wording on the Disclaimer pages, using language as close to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/Disclaimer as possible. It would be great if we could get some help with the translation, and make sure this isn't going to be an issue for any of the communities.
Thanks for your continued patience, and I have to be announcing the sites' availability soon!
Chris
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Chris Steipp, 09/11/2012 05:54:
In the meantime, the WMF legal team has also asked that we launch the sites with new wording on the Disclaimer pages,
Whose title, for clarity, is defined in [[MediaWiki:Disclaimerpage]].
using language as close to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/Disclaimer as possible. It would be great if we could get some help with the translation, and make sure this isn't going to be an issue for any of the communities.
Nemo
Hi all,
let me update you quickly on the migration progress:
- during last night and this morning (US Pacific time) we have successfully finished all database dump imports for the initial 7 languages. en, de, sv, ru, it, nl, fr ("en" was obviously the largest weighing in at ~47GB .sql data that had to be imported into 8 servers)
- we have enabled the wikis in Apache and Wikimedia configs for a QA check that is currently still non-public, but we could confirm that logins and edits work and see the actual wikis
- currently that QA phase is on-going and a few glitches like an issue with "RelatedSites" are being worked on
You will hear from us again soon,
Thank you for your continued patience,
Daniel
Daniel,
Thank you for the update. More importantly thank you and everyone involved for all the hard work and effort to get Wikivoyage up and running. All the work is very much appreciated.
Thanks, Xltel (T. Holland)
-----Original Message----- From: wikivoyage-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikivoyage-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Zahn Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 2:47 PM To: Wikivoyage Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikivoyage-l] Update and Disclaimer
Hi all,
let me update you quickly on the migration progress:
- during last night and this morning (US Pacific time) we have successfully finished all database dump imports for the initial 7 languages. en, de, sv, ru, it, nl, fr ("en" was obviously the largest weighing in at ~47GB .sql data that had to be imported into 8 servers)
- we have enabled the wikis in Apache and Wikimedia configs for a QA check that is currently still non-public, but we could confirm that logins and edits work and see the actual wikis
- currently that QA phase is on-going and a few glitches like an issue with "RelatedSites" are being worked on
You will hear from us again soon,
Thank you for your continued patience,
Daniel
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Dear Daniel,
my Wikivoyage/de account is completely corrupted. My account name was "Unger", but all my edits are now shown under a user "Hoo man".
I made a User Account Transfer Agreement. It worked in it, en, but not in de. I need it urgently because I was one of the admins.
I thank you for your endavour in advance.
Yours Roland
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Roland Unger roland.unger@soziologie.uni-halle.de wrote:
my Wikivoyage/de account is completely corrupted. My account name was "Unger", but all my edits are now shown under a user "Hoo man".
We're looking into this right now. Please be aware that we may have to nuke and reimport the de.wv database if these issues are widespread, so edits on de.wv may get lost.
Please let us know if you see this issue with other accounts, on de.wv or elsewhere.
Erik
What will be the general communication procedure? Should we ask questions and report bugs in the mailing list? Or will one of tech people check the Travellers' Pub / Lounge pages on Wikivoyage? Or perhaps create a page on Meta?
The renewed wikis look great. Thank you Erik, Daniel, Chris and all other people who made it happen!
-Alexander
On 10/11/2012 20:22, Erik Moeller wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Roland Unger roland.unger@soziologie.uni-halle.de wrote:
my Wikivoyage/de account is completely corrupted. My account name was "Unger", but all my edits are now shown under a user "Hoo man".
We're looking into this right now. Please be aware that we may have to nuke and reimport the de.wv database if these issues are widespread, so edits on de.wv may get lost.
Please let us know if you see this issue with other accounts, on de.wv or elsewhere.
Erik
The most useful procedure for reporting bugs is:
1) Create an account on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ 2) Follow the "Enter a bug report" link 3) Pick "Wikimedia" as a product, and "General" as the component unless a more specific component is applicable 4) Enter a description and file the bug 5) Add bug 41184 in the "Blocks" section (this will only appear once the bug is created). This will add it to the tracking bug and notify various folks who are working on the migration.
Reporting in the lounges/pubs is less useful because it's harder to monitor, but if you see folks posting issues there, please help guide them towards Bugzilla.
I recommend importing this template: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Tracked
which is handy to link on-wiki discussions to relevant bugs.
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
- Pick "Wikimedia" as a product, and "General" as the component
unless a more specific component is applicable
If it is specific bug with one of the extensions just used on Wikivoyage, we have created compontents for that within "MediaWiki extensions".
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20ex... (created in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41111)
For other things you can use "General" as Erik pointed out.
@Roland: your account has been fixed, it affected just you and should work as expected now
One bad news is that wikivoyage-old.org still uses wts.wikivoyage.org as its image repository. Therefore, no images are displayed there.
Roland, can you fix this?
-Alexander
Actually this can be sped up by simply creating an account then going to:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?&blocked=41184&componen...
All you then have to do is enter a summary and description to be able to file the bug by hitting 'Submit Bug'.
Thehelpfulone https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone
On 10 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
The most useful procedure for reporting bugs is:
- Create an account on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/
- Follow the "Enter a bug report" link
- Pick "Wikimedia" as a product, and "General" as the component
unless a more specific component is applicable 4) Enter a description and file the bug 5) Add bug 41184 in the "Blocks" section (this will only appear once the bug is created). This will add it to the tracking bug and notify various folks who are working on the migration.
Reporting in the lounges/pubs is less useful because it's harder to monitor, but if you see folks posting issues there, please help guide them towards Bugzilla.
I recommend importing this template: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Tracked
which is handy to link on-wiki discussions to relevant bugs.
Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation
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We were not able to identify other accounts with this issue. Roland, we renamed the account and you should be able to log in and edit as User:Unger now. Let us know if it works for you.
Erik
Hi Everyone,
This is a quick update to let you know that we found a few issues in testing that we think need to be fixed before we can point the site to the new servers. It's always difficult to know whether to launch with known issues or wait until everything is fixed, and we're trying to find a good balance.
Thanks for your continue patience, and we'll keep you updated on the progress!
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Chris Steipp csteipp@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'm sorry to say that the sites are not yet launched, although we are getting closer. We have encountered a few unexpected issues that have delayed us, and the overall transfer process is taking much longer than anticipated. We're importing the data as quickly as we can without impacting other WMF sites, and are nearing the end of the transfer process. After that, we'll be doing some final QA to make sure that everything is working, and then we'll point dns to the new servers.
In the meantime, the WMF legal team has also asked that we launch the sites with new wording on the Disclaimer pages, using language as close to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/Disclaimer as possible. It would be great if we could get some help with the translation, and make sure this isn't going to be an issue for any of the communities.
Thanks for your continued patience, and I have to be announcing the sites' availability soon!
Chris
Hi everyone,
it's my honor to announce we have gone LIVE.!
DNS has been switched to point to WMF Loadbalancers earlier this morning (PST). That was the big switch.
Since then several smaller and larger (like Roland's account, Interwiki links / maps, ..) issues on the wikis have been sorted out by a little bit larger group of people and new bugs have been reported on Bugzilla and acte upon.
One issue that kept us from announcing the switch earlier was that at first the generation of the "portal page "(www.) was broken, and had to be adjusted to the way those pages are generated on wmf projects.
You can now login and edit. :)
You can also report bugs of course.:)
Enjoy the new wikis!
For the technically inclined, you can see in detail what we are doing in places like:
http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/SAL https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/project:operations/apache-config,n,z
..and of course on IRC.
Expect another official announcement mail (most likely from Erik) later,
P.S. (Before the DNS switch we lowered the TTL to 6 minutes in case we had to go back, just now i raised that back to the regular 1h and therefore declaring the switch period over for now )
P.S 2. Thank you all, especially Reedy and Chris for a ton of "really rapid prototyping" on Apache and WMF configs right after switching:)
Best regards,
Daniel
And here are the known issues (and those resolved meanwhile) for completeness:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41184
little bonus for users:
As being a Wikimedia project now, you guys can apply for IRC "cloaks" so your user would be hidden as user/wikivoyage on IRC. Reasons why that's nice to have, the rules and the form to apply are here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Cloaks and http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dG1FTWV1RnNBVHFOSn...
The current rules for WMF projects are:
User must have a verified e-mail address User must have at least 250 edits on Wikimedia projects User must have a Wikimedia project account registered for at least three months
But .. I don't think anyone has discussed yet though if former Wikivoyage edits are now Wikimedia project edits. ;)
We just prepared this for you already so that wikivoyage is an option in that form for the launch as a little bonus for you users and your patience with us.
ttyl,
Remember the old servers are NOT down in any way incl. all images still to be transferred. Whenever you want to compare something to how it was before or even the worst cases of problems you can always just insert "-old" into your current URL. Have fun!
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