Hi Belayet,
I greatly appreciate that you have started a discussion about the MoA. For your information, the memorandum is not final until we get the final approval. The “Done” means we are done with submitting the draft MoA. But we can change in case of any concerning issues raised by ChapCom or the community.
Of course, anyone can ask for a change to the MoA. So, please feel free to propose any changes here. But please be specific about the justification and benefits of the requested change.
And it's very much appreciated that the persons you mentioned in your mail care about community, not position/titles. We have twenty sections in the proposed MoA to check and review, which all can review for the community.
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On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:24 AM, Belayet Hossain bellayet@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to thank Nasir, he mentioned we altogether tried before to form the chapter. I don't agree to use the term "failed" with the initiative that we all have taken before. We wanted to inform and aware about the need and importance of a Chapter, and we tried with our various efforts. Now we can see our results, lots of people are coming forward to take the flag ahead.
At the meta page the status of the memorandum is set as "Done". Is that is for the draft is done or the memorandum is final? And some signatories said that the memorandum has been sent to the ChapCom for review. If the draft is done but not finalize then there is scope of discussion and change. But if it is final and submitted to the ChapCom, is it possible to discuss about it and change it? If people want to comment on the clauses, how they should approach? Should they discuss it at the mailing list or ask to the signatories or discuss it at the talk page of the memorandum page?
Previously I encourage peoples to be a part of the Chapter. Some of them are still active who really feeling left out. They don't have interest for any post at the executive board of the Chapter. Since they worked hard for the chapter and has feelings and soft corner for this. Couple of them shown interest to be a signatory and asked how would they do it. Is there any way to include active people worked for the chapter at the signatories list? Should they apply to the existing signatories or should they edit the wiki pages and include their names by their own. Or if they express their interest to the mailing list, is it possible to include them to the list?
Our future can be bright. Let's make it together.
Belayet
On 27 May 2011 02:55, nasir khan nasir8891@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
When i was reading the previous posts i found that some of you are interpreting this step in different ways. As Bellayet bhai, Tanvir and some others mentioned that we have tried before to form the chapter. I was involved there, and those times we first announced that we were going to form a chapter. Then initially a large number of people showed their interest. We made the plans and discuss on it but unfortunately the initiative was failed.
This one is one of the reasons to work primarily in a closed group. And here we (the signatories of MoA) just made a draft Memorandum of Association of our organization and then announcing that, the process has started and every one should join now. The only difference is here the announcement has came when the draft bylaws is ready and previously the announcement and discussion was the only step.
Now there are a lots of tasks to do. like the draft of MoA could be reviewed, plans have to made that what events could be done after the approval and so on. If someone thought that some of us just made a team and declaring that we have all the powers, then it will be wrong. We just tried to start the process only and as mentioned int he MoA the formal executive committee will be elected in a transparent process.
regards
Nasir Khan Saikat user:nasir8891
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Tanvir Rahman wikitanvir@gmail.com wrote:
Dear everyone,
I want to clear few things myself. As Shabab bhai said earlier, we have been trying to form our local chapter for almost two years. If I remember that correctly, last time, we have discussed that in October 2009. We met in our fifth Dhaka meet-up [1]. We discussed about forming the chapter there, we participated in many IRC meetings on #wikimedia-bd channel. I, myself was in that process. We talked about preparing the MoA, and some necessary stuffs to create the chapter. We did not discuss about chapter set-up committee in our mailing list that time either. We created the team with the persons who participated in that meet-up. We just assumed good faith that those people who attended in that meet-up, and sacrificed their money and time, were the really interested ones. But unfortunately that effort did not work.
But this time, we have given this process a real kick-start at least, and what we really did here? We just formed a little team of interested persons to work in this process. If any of you think this team is the so called “authority”, then no, it's clearly not like that. As everybody said here, real authority will be elected by the community members. And as of now, we have done only two things:
a) We have prepared the “draft” Memorandum of Association of our organization. b) We contacted to chapters committee, and told them we are interested to form the chapter this time. This is just one step ahead; we stepped up to planned chapter from a chapter in discussion phase [2].
None of them is no big deal. Actually, this is some boring paper works. And very few people are interested in this kind of stuffs.
And if you are thinking about autocracy, then I have to say, every chapter or organization has an approved bylaws (for any legal purpose), and every member of that organization (including office bearers and board members) have to maintain that. This is not optional. It's obvious.
As Tonmoy bhai and Austin has said above, I think you all better discuss here about the only real ting we have really done so far, the bylaws. If you have any disagreement or comment or just a wishful feedback on that, please share this here with us.
Regards,
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