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Date: May 29, 2014 2:24 PM
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1
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Cc:
I wanted to share my first editing experience and ask for your help. Here
it is:
Today I have made the first edit on English Wikipedia. As I said in my
first meeting -- I believe in traveling the path of our editors, so I can
better understand them and so taht we can make their experience more
natural.
I have edited in private wikis before and I have edited the talk pages. I
used the Visual Editor, even though I am well-versed in the syntax. I had
the advantage of a very very experienced user by my side and it went pretty
smooth -- so this report is not entirely fair. Even though, I did stumble
in a few places, however, and this is a learning experience for me and for
our team.
Overall I wish I had this on video. It is a bit like an experience of a kid
making their first goal. Exhilarating.
So now I have a challenge back to you:
- Please pick a friend who has never edited before.
- Ask them to make an edit. Any edit in any language.
- Please have them write one paragraph about their experience.
- Have them send it to lila at wikimedia with the subject: #1
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প্রিয় সবাই,
সাম্প্রতিক সময়ে উইকিপিডিয়ায় মেডিক্যাল তথ্য ভুল বিষয়ক একটি সংবাদ প্রকাশ
হওয়ার পর ওই সূত্র ধরে বাংলায়ও অনেকে সংবাদ প্রকাশ করছে। এ বিষয়টা নিয়ে এর
আগেও একাধিক সংবাদ প্রকাশিত হয়েছে। সাম্প্রতি সময়ে সংবাদটি প্রকাশ হওয়ার পর
আমি উইকিমিডিয়ার মূল মেইলিং লিস্টে একটা মেইল করেছি। সে আলোচনাটি ফরোয়ার্ড
করলাম। আশা করছি এ বিষয়ে কারো কিছু জানার থাকলে এ আলোচনা থেকে জানতে পারবেন..
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Subject: About Wikipedia medical entries
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From: *Nurunnaby Chowdhury* <nh(a)nhasive.com>
Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:39 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Hi,
Today daily mail published a news about Wikipedia Medical related entries.
Title of this news: *Do NOT try to diagnose yourself on Wikipedia! 90% of
its medical entries are inaccurate, say experts*
*! *
Anyone clarify this issue please?
Check this link for news:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2639910/Do-NOT-try-diagnose-Wikip…
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From: *Stevie Benton* <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk>
Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:44 PM
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Hi Nurunnaby,
A similar story has appeared in the Telegraph -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10857468/Dont-diagnose-yoursel…
and the BBC -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27586356
The BBC piece is the best of the three and WMUK has reached out to all
three sources. The article stems from a report published a while ago by the
Journal of the American Osteopathic Association. The paper was discussed by
members of WikiProject Medicine and some issues found in its methodology.
I hope this is helpful,
Stevie
On 27 May 2014 14:39, Nurunnaby Chowdhury <nh(a)nhasive.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Today daily mail published a news about Wikipedia Medical related entries.
> Title of this news: *Do NOT try to diagnose yourself on Wikipedia! 90% of
> its medical entries are inaccurate, say experts*
> *! *
> Anyone clarify this issue please?
>
> Check this link for news:
>
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2639910/Do-NOT-try-diagnose-Wikip…
>
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From: *Marc A. Pelletier* <marc(a)uberbox.org>
Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:01 PM
To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
On 05/27/2014 09:44 AM, Stevie Benton wrote:
> American Osteopathic Association
I'm not an expert on the latest woo-woo, but isn't Osteopathy one of the
numerous "faith-based 'medecine'"?
-- Marc
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From: *Stevie Benton* <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk>
Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:11 PM
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I think one of our friends who is US based can more helpfully answer this,
but I believe osteopathy in the US is somehow different from elsewhere. I
couldn't tell you how, but I seem to remember this being the case.
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From: *Martijn Hoekstra* <martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:18 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Marc A. Pelletier <marc(a)uberbox.org> wrote:
> On 05/27/2014 09:44 AM, Stevie Benton wrote:
> > American Osteopathic Association
>
> I'm not an expert on the latest woo-woo, but isn't Osteopathy one of the
> numerous "faith-based 'medecine'"?
>
> -- Marc
>
>
That issue was discussed before too. From what I remember from it is that
what is called Osteopathy in the UK isn't the same thing that's called
Osteopathy in the US, where the UK one is basically voodoo, and the US one
a legitimate specialty in medicine (but correct me if I'm wrong)
-- Martijn
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From: *Marc A. Pelletier* <marc(a)uberbox.org>
Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:22 PM
To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
On 05/27/2014 10:18 AM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote:
> From what I remember from it is that
> what is called Osteopathy in the UK isn't the same thing that's called
> Osteopathy in the US
Ah, that explains it. :-)
Regardless, "Don't diagnose yourself with Wikipedia" seems to be
infinitely good advice, regardless of any hyperbole about article accuracy!
-- Marc
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From: *Nathan* <nawrich(a)gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:23 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Martijn Hoekstra <
martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Marc A. Pelletier <marc(a)uberbox.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On 05/27/2014 09:44 AM, Stevie Benton wrote:
> > > American Osteopathic Association
> >
> > I'm not an expert on the latest woo-woo, but isn't Osteopathy one of the
> > numerous "faith-based 'medecine'"?
> >
> > -- Marc
> >
> >
> That issue was discussed before too. From what I remember from it is that
> what is called Osteopathy in the UK isn't the same thing that's called
> Osteopathy in the US, where the UK one is basically voodoo, and the US one
> a legitimate specialty in medicine (but correct me if I'm wrong)
>
> -- Martijn
>
> >
> > __________________
>
You are correct. In the UK osteopathy is a woo woo homeopathic discipline,
in the U.S. (where the study was conducted) the training and degree
granting processes for osteopathy are equivalent to medical doctors and the
two are treated identically.
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From: *Thomas Morton* <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com>
Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:26 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Osteopathy is one of those “difficult” ones, where it does have some real
evidence to back it up - but in the UK certain practitioners make
exceptional and (hokum) claims.
The NHS recommends it for Lower Back Pain (
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Osteopathy/Pages/Introduction.aspx, and
personally I’ve found it the only effective treatment for my back pain) and
also say may be effective for other forms of muskculoskeletal problems.
But you get plenty of osteopaths claiming that they can fix anything from
IBS to heart problems (total BS).
Talking about it to my osteopath, those latter claims became popular in the
90s during the “hokum-medicine” (his words :P) boom, but fortunately today
it seems to be falling further out of favour, with a twist to more
realistic attitudes.
The US has a much more robust approach to such claims, and hopefully the UK
will go that way too :D
Anyway, just an interesting aside :) As a note, the WP article on
osteopathy does a good job of overviewing the topic!
Tom
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From: *Todd Allen* <toddmallen(a)gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:33 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Actually, "Don't diagnose yourself" is just generally good advice. Even if
the medical information you have is accurate, there might be other possible
causes or factors that need to be considered.
Internet information, Wikipedia or otherwise, might be a good place to get
things to ask your doctor about, but "ask your doctor" should always be the
end of the process.
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From: *geni* <geniice(a)gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:27 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
On 27 May 2014 15:22, Marc A. Pelletier <marc(a)uberbox.org> wrote:
>
> Ah, that explains it. :-)
>
> Regardless, "Don't diagnose yourself with Wikipedia" seems to be
> infinitely good advice, regardless of any hyperbole about article
accuracy!
>
>
The problem is the number of doctors who use wikipedia.
--
geni
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From: *Martijn Hoekstra* <martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:31 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:27 PM, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 27 May 2014 15:22, Marc A. Pelletier <marc(a)uberbox.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > Ah, that explains it. :-)
> >
> > Regardless, "Don't diagnose yourself with Wikipedia" seems to be
> > infinitely good advice, regardless of any hyperbole about article
> accuracy!
> >
> >
>
> The problem is the number of doctors who use wikipedia.
>
s/use wikipedia/rely on the completeness and accurancy of Wikipedia to
practice their profession/
There is nothing *wrong* with using Wikipedia as a doctor, but there may be
something wrong with the way they use it.
-- Martijn
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From: *Lane Rasberry* <lane(a)bluerasberry.com>
Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 at 9:01 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Hello,
I am a participant in WikiProject Medicine on English Wikipedia and know
about this case. I also have talked to the researcher who published this
paper since its publication.
Lots of people have lots of objections to Wikipedia. In my opinion, the
study itself is correct for what it reports, but no newspaper or other
media understands what the study is saying and they are reporting all kinds
of silly things. Here is the discussion of this paper in WikiProject
Medicine -
<
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine/Archive_4…
>
That is in the archives, so if someone has more to say, post to the main
forum.
While I think this study is being perceived negatively, I appreciate any
research team who does any kind of research on Wikipedia's health content.
Here is a list of what has been done:
<
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Research_publi…
>
@geni - "The problem is the number of doctors who use wikipedia."
I disagree. I feel that the problem is that for all of history there has
never been health information accessible to doctors and patients. Wikipedia
at least says that people should have health information, whereas every
government and health organization in the world (NIH, NHS, WHO and the
rest) are still saying "Not yet, it is not important, nobody wants this"
and not providing any alternative. There are no alternatives or competitors
to Wikipedia for what it does, so of course doctors use it. The problem is
that no one else thinks doctors need ready access to good information right
now, and Wikipedia is just doing the best it can to meet the existing
demand that is otherwise ignored.
@Todd Allen - "ask your doctor" should always be the end of the process."
The number of people how have as much access to their doctors as they wish
is definitely not more than 20% of the English speaking world and the
reality is probably closer to 2-3% of people. Doctors simply do not have
more than minutes to answer questions and many people would like to study
for hours over their lifetimes. Referring people to doctors ignores the
problem that people do not get as much access to healthcare as they would
like, and doctors are not ready to provide health information on demand. At
the same time, patients are being encouraged to make more health decisions
with their doctors, but not given educational resources to help them make
those decisions.
I wish there were enough doctors, and people should try hard to ask them
lots of questions, but something more is needed too.
yours,
--
Lane Rasberry
user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia
206.801.0814
lane(a)bluerasberry.com
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From: *Jeevan Jose* <jkadavoor(a)gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 at 9:07 PM
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Wikipedia discourages self diagnosis and treatment:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Medical_disclaimer
And I think professionals are capable enough to verify the credibility of
the referred sources instead of blindly reading the articles.
Regards,
Jee
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Lane Rasberry <lane(a)bluerasberry.com>wrote:
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From: *Nathan* <nawrich(a)gmail.com>
Date: Tue, May 27, 2014 at 9:17 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
FYI - Here is the previous thread on this list about this study / topic:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/460005?do=post_view_t…
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From: *Jayanta Nath* <jayantanth(a)gmail.com>
Date: Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:20 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Hi Hasive,
I think we need to read again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Medical_disclaimer
Jayanta
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From: *Amy Vossbrinck* <avossbrinck(a)wikimedia.org>
Date: Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:51 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_medicine_in_the_United_States
Osteopaths also have chiropractic training.
Take care, Amy
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From: *Nathan* <nawrich(a)gmail.com>
Date: Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:08 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
That's a weird content architecture, right there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_medicinehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_medicine_in_the_United_Stateshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_medicine_in_Canadahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_physicianhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_manipulative_medicinehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathy
No redirects listed.
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Amy Vossbrinck
<avossbrinck(a)wikimedia.org>wrote:
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From: *Nurunnaby Chowdhury* <nh(a)nhasive.com>
Date: Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:42 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Thanks everyone. Last day when this news published i receive lots of phone
call from our journalist friend. You know all journalist just check the
news media. Not check details issue. So i start this thread.
If this news published various language it may negative sign for Wikipedia.
Because all are not read *Wikipedia: Medical_disclaimer* properly.
Anyway thanks again. I'll inform our journalist friend about this.
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From: *Cristian Consonni* <kikkocristian(a)gmail.com>
Date: Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:03 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
2014-05-28 7:42 GMT+02:00 Nurunnaby Chowdhury <nh(a)nhasive.com>:
> Thanks everyone. Last day when this news published i receive lots of phone
> call from our journalist friend. You know all journalist just check the
> news media. Not check details issue.
This news found is way also on Italian media:
http://www.corriere.it/salute/14_maggio_27/occhio-wikipedia-nove-voci-medic…
The good thing is that the articles mentions that the author of the
original study invited physicians to participate in Wikipedia to raise
the quality of its articles.
Cristian
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From: *Jane Darnell* <jane023(a)gmail.com>
Date: Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:18 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
What I think is funny about this whole article and this email thread
is that the quality of Wikipedia is not brought into relation with
anything else. For example, I know that one of the main causes of
death in the Netherlands today has to do with improper dosages of
medicine, caused both by failure to follow instructions in the medical
information accompanying pharmaceuticals and by mistakes in that
medical information.
Wikipedia may be full of mistakes, but so is the "official" medical
information offered to doctors and patients.
2014-05-28 20:03 GMT+02:00, Cristian Consonni <kikkocristian(a)gmail.com>:
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From: *Martijn Hoekstra* <martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com>
Date: Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:24 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> What I think is funny about this whole article and this email thread
> is that the quality of Wikipedia is not brought into relation with
> anything else. For example, I know that one of the main causes of
> death in the Netherlands today has to do with improper dosages of
> medicine, caused both by failure to follow instructions in the medical
> information accompanying pharmaceuticals and by mistakes in that
> medical information.
>
> Wikipedia may be full of mistakes, but so is the "official" medical
> information offered to doctors and patients.
>
Let's not focus on what others are doing wrong, but improve on what we may
be doing wrong - that's the only thing we have most influence on in
changing.
--Martijn
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From: *Yves Z* <zyzzyvy(a)outlook.com>
Date: Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:31 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Let's not focus on what others are doing wrong, but improve on what we may
> be doing wrong - that's the only thing we have most influence on in
> changing.
Are there spot checks by professionals in medicine, or ways to flag
often-read pages for peer review? That seems like a way that experts could
help without getting into edit wars.
The wikiproject medicine chat is fine but incomplete.
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প্রকল্পের উদ্যোক্তা রাগিব ভাই (ড. রাগিব হাসান) বর্তমানে দেশে আছেন। দেশে
এসেই রাগিব ভাই নানা ধরনের কর্মকান্ডে ব্যস্ত সময় পার করছেন। সবমিলিয়ে আমরা
রাগিব ভাইয়ের সঙ্গে একটা আড্ডার সময় পেয়েছি। আড্ডাটি আগামীকাল বিকেল ৪টায়
বাংলাদেশ অ্যাসোসিয়েশন অব সফটওয়্যার অ্যান্ড ইনফরমেশন সার্ভিসেস (বেসিস)
মিলনায়তনে (বিডিবিএল ভবন, ৬ষ্ঠ তলা, ১২ কারওয়ান বাজার) অনুষ্ঠিত হবে।
আপনারা অনেকেই জানেন রাগিব ভাইয়ের বাংলা ব্রেইল প্রকল্প কিছুদিন আগে বেস্ট ববস
পুরস্কার জিতেছে। এছাড়া তিনি দীর্ঘদিন ধরেই নিজের কাজের পাশাপাশি বাংলা
উইকিপিডিয়া, শিক্ষক ডট কম ইত্যাদি নিয়ে কাজ করছেন। আমরা রাগিব ভাইয়ের সঙ্গে
এসব নিয়েই আড্ডা দেব। থাকবে বাংলা ব্রেইল, বাংলা উইকিপিডিয়া, শিক্ষক ডট কম
ইত্যাদি নিয়ে আলোচনা। অনুষ্ঠানে উপস্থিত থাকবেন উইকিমিডিয়া বাংলাদেশের সভাপতি
ও বিডিওএসএনের সাধারণ সম্পাদক মুনির হাসান, বেসিস সভাপতি শামীম আহসানসহ বেসিস
এবং অন্যান্য কয়েকটি প্রতিষ্ঠানের শীর্ষ ব্যক্তিরা।
পুরো আয়োজনের যৌথ আয়োজক বাংলাদেশ ওপেন সোর্স নেটওয়ার্ক (বিডিওএসএন),
উইকিমিডিয়া বাংলাদেশ, বেসিস ও বাংলা ব্রেইল কমিউনিটি।
এ আয়োজন সবার জন্য উন্মুক্ত। সবার আমন্ত্রন।
*রাগিব ভাইয়ের সঙ্গে আড্ডা*
*স্থান: বেসিস মিলনায়তন (বিডিবিএল ভবন, ৬ষ্ঠ তলা, ১২ কারওয়ান বাজার)*
*গুগল ম্যাপ: http://goo.gl/A5fc6r <http://goo.gl/A5fc6r> *
*সময়: বিকেল ৪টা*
*তারিখ: ২৮ মে ২০১৪*
যে কোন প্রয়োজনে: *নুরুন্নবী চৌধুরী হাছিব (০১৭১২ ৭৫৪ ৭৫২
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*তানভির মোরশেদ (০১৬৭৭ ৮৯০ ৯৪০
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প্রিয় সবাই,
কিছু সময় আগে আমাদের প্রিয় বাংলা উইকিপিডিয়ার নিবন্ধ সংখ্যা ৩০,০০০ এর মাইলফলক
স্পর্শ করেছে। সবাইকে অভিনন্দন!!
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Dear Wikimedians,
The below FYI.
Thank you,
Vishnu
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On CIS's grants request from Wikimedia
Foundation
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 18:43:42 +0530
From: Vishnu <visdaviva(a)gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia India Community list
<wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, "Mailing list for Wikimedians /
Wikipedians in Bangalore, India" <wikimedia-in-blr(a)lists.wikimedia.org>,
"Kannada Wikipedia Discussion List wikikn-l(a)wikipedia.org"
<wikikn-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Dear Wikimedians,
Some responses here on Meta [1] on behalf of CIS. I have also commented
in my individual capacity on the statutory aspects to the best of my
knowledge. Also see some in-line replies.
On Monday 12 May 2014 05:45 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig wrote:
> Fellow Wikimedians,
>
> As you all know, Center for Internet and Society, Bangalore has sought
> funding of about *1.8 Crores* through the FDC process from Wikimedia
> Foundation to carry out work on seven local language projects in India
> that includes Kannada, Telugu among others. [1]
> The funds primarily cover the salaries of the people belonging to the
> CIS-A2K team among other administrative expenses and other expenses as
> outlined on their proposal page.
As may of you know, please note that CIS has proposed the said budget to
implement 21 plans of which there are 7 language area plans, 8 stand
along projects, 3 community strengthening initiatives, etc.
>
> The proposal was up for Community review and comments until April 30th
> and many have recorded their response about it [2]. Several community
> members have come forward in pointing out that the staff salaries
> being paid and that being proposed - are quite on the higher side
> (which is up to 2.4 Lakhs per month per person).
As you may have already seen in the budget, please note that the salary
proposed is for 7 employees on the CIS-A2K team and the average per
person salary would come to less than 1 lakh per month, per person and
not as stated above.
CIS-A2K welcomes your feedback and suggestions.
Thank you,
Vishnu
> [1] -
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_C…
> [2] -
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/…
> [3] -
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_J…
>
>
FYI Regarding CIS grants application
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Hari Prasad Nadig <hpnadig(a)gmail.com>
Date: Mon, May 12, 2014 at 5:45 PM
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] On CIS's grants request from Wikimedia
Foundation
To: Wikimedia India List <wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, "Mailing
list for Wikimedians / Wikipedians in Bangalore, India" <
wikimedia-in-blr(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, "Kannada Wikipedia Discussion List
wikikn-l(a)wikipedia.org" <wikikn-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Fellow Wikimedians,
As you all know, Center for Internet and Society, Bangalore has sought
funding of about *1.8 Crores* through the FDC process from Wikimedia
Foundation to carry out work on seven local language projects in India that
includes Kannada, Telugu among others. [1]
The funds primarily cover the salaries of the people belonging to the
CIS-A2K team among other administrative expenses and other expenses as
outlined on their proposal page.
The proposal was up for Community review and comments until April 30th and
many have recorded their response about it [2]. Several community members
have come forward in pointing out that the staff salaries being paid and
that being proposed - are quite on the higher side (which is up to 2.4
Lakhs per month per person).
Apart from the concerns on extremely high salaries for Indian norms of the
team members of CIS-A2K team, there have been some serious concerns raised
about some apparent Conflict of Interest [3] and non-compliance with the
local laws (mainly Karnataka Societies act and the Foreign Contribution
Regulation Act).
However, looks like the proposal has moved forward through the FDC process
for funding despite the concerns raised and has gotten through to the next
stage.
More concerns have now been raised by several community members on the
Staff Assessment discussion page here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/…
I invite you to participate in the discussion and help steer this in the
right direction.
[1] -
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_C…
[2] -
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/…
[3] -
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_J…
Thank you,
--
Hari Prasad Nadig
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